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Old 08-12-2005, 14:25
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Dogs Can't Smell Pills, Right?

Yeah I was just curious of police dogs were capable of smelling e pills or any pills in general? they must give off some smell.
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Old 08-12-2005, 14:36
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Well, MDMA has a very beautiful taste and probablysmell. Haven't heard about dogs smelling pills, though. I think that if they are well packaged, it would be impossible for dog to smell it. It's not weed after all.
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Found this on a "Sniffer dogs" website (and not just one)

"Passive drug dogs are trained to detect the following :
Cannabis Resin & Herbal, Heroin, Cocaine, Amphetamine, Ecstasy (MDMA)
All derivatives of the above substances"

From a few minutes googling, this seems to be the standard range of drugs dogs are trained to detect. They are also trained to detect explosives and ammunition. Interestingly some dogs are also used for detecting ivory.
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Old 08-12-2005, 16:34
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at swims country of origin there was a team that was trained to smell sassy,since most of the mdma (that was produced in that time period) produced was from dirt cheap bulk sassy. twas a big hit for the transporters cos it actually worked..a very small task force managed to take down a lot of people( that werent w them,long live the coruption,lol).
but hey then piperonal route was employed...bee smart an keep it outta the hands of mafia and LE...sorry ranting
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Old 08-12-2005, 18:45
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If it is well packaged I don't see a way to be smelled. It just has to be really well packaged if it is in larger quntities (how I wish to have larger quantities of this, but have nothing for the moment )
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Old 08-12-2005, 19:27
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Yeah thanks for the interesting responses. So it is possible for a dog to smell mdma. However it would most likely happen in a moderate quanity instead of having a pill or two somewhere.
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As a general rule don't bring any kind of drug around a drug sniffing dog. Those things have an absolutely insane sense of smell. It would not at all surprise me if they could smell one pill.
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I would say dont take the chance, its not at all worth what consequences could come of it.
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There are VERY VERY few MDxx trained dogs in the US, and as for the UK, the situation is the same

Those that are trained however, would be able to smell one locked in a bottle at the bottom of a bath tub.
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Carry a bottle of Visine filled with Bitch-In-Heat scent. Spray this on the little old lady in front of you in line. And don't carry anything illegal nonetheless.
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Old 09-12-2005, 12:47
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lol!

Yeah, with this thread I have it in my head that someone is going abroad with pills. Dont do it.
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Old 09-12-2005, 15:49
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No nothing like that I assure you. I was just always curious about the capabilities of police sniffing dogs and if there was any safe zone.
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Old 09-12-2005, 17:15
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dogs can be trained to pick up on any kind of drug that has an odor. Seeing as MDMA has quite a strong one any dog trained for it will have no problem with catching you. A simple baggy wont save you, if you wanna hide a smell you have to store in something completely airsealed. Most plasticks arent, glass could do the trick but you also have to make sure nothing that has been in contact with mdma comes in contact with the outside of the container. Sniffer dogs are sensitive enough to detect traceammounts of the stuff. Ive got a friend who works in law enforcement and he says those are scary when it comes to detecting a sent.
Btw Nanogog2 , that little bitch in heat trick wont work. Those dogs are trained to give a specific signal only in the case of drugs. Even if something different sets em off there responce wont be the same as when they smell drugs. Usually they just go sit by your leg looking all 'look what i did, wheres my cookie'. Frantic barking or leghumping means something else .
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Hypothetically if you put said drug in a bag, covered it in candle wax then sumerged it in a shampoo bottle could they still smell it? are they that good?
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Old 11-12-2005, 06:31
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How come nobody has pointed out that the title of this thread is "Pills Can't Smell Dogs, Right?" but everyone is talking about the dogs smelling the pills.
j/k.................

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I think the title is perfectly appropriate for the gravity of this thread.
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I'm the one who changed the thread title. I was playing with some of the new software we have behind the scenes. Decided this was better and left it. So sue me.
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the dogs do not smell the salts of drugs such as X themselves, these are non-volatile. obviously street drugs are impure, so this is a moot point, but it had to be said eventually. what the dogs are actually trained to smell are the usual impurities with the various drug salts. whether or not one can clean up your drugs as to make them undetectable, i guess that this is between you and your dog.

making ampules from glass tubing is easy. boiling a washed, sealed ampule in a solution of an oxidizer such as CrO3 or H2O2/H2SO4 might solve problems, as long as you scrub up before you touch it again.
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Yes they don't smell MDMA but the trace amounts of sassafras (at least that's what I think). But if you pack it in a well isolated plastic bag and then put it in a thermus, which is filled with coffee, no one will ever notice. The dogs can't smell anything, because the odor of cofee is far stronger. However, it is really dangerous to bring drugs abroad. If it is not intended for saling, you'd better not take them with you. It wouldn't be so hard to find yourself where you are going to. Unless you are going to Bulgaria, here is full of pills but they usually contain stimulant amphs - meth, fenethylline, 4-MAR. MDMA is really hard to find (at least in my region).

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glorf everything is volatile, and most of it, if not all could be smelled by properly trainded dogs.
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just because everything has a vapor pressure, and even a measurable one well below the boiling point, hardly seems worthy of not being allowed to call a salt with a very low vapor pressure at room temp "non-volatile". this is not exactly an uncommon context for that phrase.

an article by a PhD working for Customs, Journal of Forensic Science 46(5), 1014 (2001): "It is well established that canines alert to the odor associated with training materials, drugs in this case, rather than the material itself." the google cache of the article

an article of interest that i wish that i could see. this would actually be more on-topic as it includes MDMA.

there are also some related articles in the Proceedings of the American Academy of Forensic Sciences, but no one is going to share those here.

this NIOSH pdf indicates that US Customs currently uses methyl benzoate (cocaine), acetic acid (heroin), marijuana, piperonal (MDMA), and benzaldehyde (methamphetamine) for its dog training.
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but thats the point of my remark glorf, if it would be truly nonvolatile than dogs would be unable to smell it.
well that and the fact that im a say-it-proper-or-dont-asshole[afuckinsmiley]
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So the person with the Clockwork Orange avatar likes to manipulate other peoples intentions? Hah.

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> if it would be truly nonvolatile than dogs would be unable to smell it

which they are, which was the point of my post.
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