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Old 04-09-2010, 03:41
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invisible veins/injecting in feet

Swim has VERY hard to find veins. Whenever nurses take blood for tests thaey always say, "Wow, swim has nice veins." Swim and other junkies can hardly find them though. The inside of his elbows are getting worn out and he thinks his feet look easy to hit, but his friends say that's a bad idea. They say even if he misses a tiny bit, he won't get his shoes on.( he did start to try once and it hurt pretty bad) Is it ok to IV on tops of feet?
How can swim find veins in his arms?

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Old 04-09-2010, 07:08
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AW: invisible veins/injecting in feet

The Veins on the top of swin Foot are a "no-go" like the friends already mentioned!

Try it with the right preparation, make a Fist 20-50 times,
"do the Helicopter" with swinys Arm,
buy a Dumbbell ( ???Body Building???),
put the Arm into hot Water, etc., etc.!

And a right Tourniquet is important, try a Tube from a Bike,
Belts are not good enough!

And- why not do a Break from IV.,
look swiny will stay addicted for a very long time,
when the swiny run out of Veins already is not a good sign,
take care, change the route of Administration sometimes!

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Old 04-09-2010, 19:11
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Why is the top of the feet a no-go? Just curious.

Dude down the street has the best luck with the veins on the top of the hands. Easy to find; plus, if a fuck up occurs there seems to be little bruising. Dude has punctured veins in his elbow and created massive bruises which scream "junkie right here!" Dude has also had luck with the vein on the inside of the calf muscle near the knee.
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Old 04-09-2010, 19:17
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Always, always leave the veins in the feet as a very last option. Cos they hurt like fuck to get, and they're wobbly, so a shot can be easily missed. That's when swelling occurs. And that means walking hurts. You don't realise just how much work your feet do, till you try IVing into them, trust me, don't use them unless you really must.

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Old 04-09-2010, 19:25
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Swim would suggest switching to smoking for a while if they were in swiy's shoes (No pun intended!). Swim understands that the hit won't be as effective but surely its worth a try?

Swim won't go into suggestions of how to make a smoke more effective as they aren't that experienced. Maybe some swimmers can suggest something? Swim isn't (or hopes they aren't) being judgemental, and maybe advice from a very occasional user seems naive. But swim wants swiy to take care of themselves that's all. Take care. xx
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Old 05-09-2010, 07:42
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

SWIM mostly uses the veins around the tops of his feet and ankles since he doesn't have many arm veins left. Never had any kind of problem with them, they work very well and are easy to hit. Nothing different ever happened from shooting SWIM's feet versus his arms in his 4 years of IVing. Hopefully as an IVer you have learned to start slow so you can quickly see if you are missing and stop, but again in SWIM's experience, missing in your feet doesn't do anything different than missing elsewhere.

As a last resort, there are very tiny veins that run along the sides of your feet coming up from the bottom. Sometimes when SWIM has no veins to hit, he'll use a 31 gauge needle and shoot these. They do hurt a little if you aren't using a sharp needle, but, obviously, it's worth it to SWIM to be able to get the H in his bloodstream. SWIM generally doesn't feel any pain from needles anymore, so when SWIM says "hurt" he just means it pinches a little. The veins are about as wide as the needle so you have to be very precise and inject very slowly - it takes some practice. The nice thing about them though is that they seem to completely regenerate rather quickly.

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Old 05-09-2010, 09:56
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AW: Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

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SWIM mostly uses the veins around the tops of his feet and ankles since he doesn't have many arm veins left. Never had any kind of problem with them, they work very well and are easy to hit. Nothing different ever happened from shooting SWIM's feet versus his arms in his 4 years of IVing. Hopefully as an IVer you have learned to start slow so you can quickly see if you are missing and stop, but again in SWIM's experience, missing in your feet doesn't do anything different than missing elsewhere.
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Swiny said the same two years ago about the Veins on his Hands,
what is wrong now with swinys Hand

An Abscess on the Food is very painful and need decades to heal,
main reasons are the Blood-Circulation and the Foot-Climate
because to get Money we need to be on the Street, with Socks and Boots!

But even if there is no Abscess the Veins are very, very fragile
and will not recover so easy.

Trust the Cat, she done it long enough!

I still recommend a change of the R.o.A..

Or go to the deeper Veins, if swiny do not change he will do it anyway
(i know this is a sad statement but what else i can say?)
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Old 05-09-2010, 11:20
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

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Swim has VERY hard to find veins. Whenever nurses take blood for tests thaey always say, "Wow, swim has nice veins." Swim and other junkies can hardly find them though. The inside of his elbows are getting worn out and he thinks his feet look easy to hit, but his friends say that's a bad idea. They say even if he misses a tiny bit, he won't get his shoes on.( he did start to try once and it hurt pretty bad) Is it ok to IV on tops of feet?
How can swim find veins in his arms?
Ditto with SWIM. She always had really fat and juicy-looking veins on her feet. but whenever she'd put a needle in her feet, she would not even try to register let alone skin-pop, because her feet veins would swell to a golf-ball size, dark purple lumpy bruise.

SWIM used to rotate between the three veins in the crook of each arm. If SWIY can't find them, try drinking a few glasses of water or holding a hot back over SWIY's veins. Also, SWIY might consider using a smaller gauge needle (30 or 31), as it will damage SWIY's veins less in the long term.

Good luck, safe shooting,

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Old 05-09-2010, 12:44
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Ditto with SWIM. She always had really fat and juicy-looking veins on her feet. but whenever she'd put a needle in her feet, she would not even try to register let alone skin-pop, because her feet veins would swell to a golf-ball size, dark purple lumpy bruise.
Maybe this is happen because the Blood in that Vein is stowed
because of the Body-Position!
(Mermaid-Style)

If swiny really need "that" Vein try a standing Position,
don't bow the Knee (don't know if i can say it in that way!)
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Old 05-09-2010, 15:35
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Girlie would have to agree, the hands & wrists are a much better option than the feet. ANY bit of a miss causes pain & lots of swelling, they take much longer to heal, and are far more easily prone to infection (lots of bacteria down there...even if one cleans the area thoroughly prior to injection (and properly afterwards), the skin is still 'open' for a while after one injects...and during that time, one will usually have to put their socks & shoes back on, and not have the time to keep some pressure on it & elevated.

Plus, it just hurts more for some reason.

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Old 05-09-2010, 17:57
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

SWIM is wondering about what people are saying about feet veins. Is this personal experience or speculation?

SWIM actually found that misses in the foot are less painful, don't get infected, and heal faster (probably because of all the bloodflow to the feet). SWIM's experience has been opposite of what other people have been saying apparently?
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Old 05-09-2010, 19:23
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Dude down the street has tried the feet without any major consequences. Missed once and it was sore for a couple days but just a mild annoyance. Dude has found it is just a lot easier at other spots.

I did tell dude about the above infection info. though and he will keep it in mind.
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Old 05-09-2010, 19:53
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Only thing about feet veins, imo, is that the roll a lot. They're fat and juicey but they do roll more than any other veins. Swim's never missed in them as far as he can remember so he doesn't know about that. He doesn't shoot much anymore and can almost always get his arm or hand but sometimes he goes for the ankle. There's usually one or two big veins that lead to the foot on the ankle that are much eaiser to hit than the feet veins. That's something to think about if can't use your arms anymore.
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

[h2]Injection sites not recommended[/h2]
FEET - NOT RECOMMENDED
Injecting in your feet is quite dangerous. As the blood flow here is even slower than in your legs, there’s a greater chance of missed hits and abscesses, and slower healing. Infections rates are high due to more bacteria on feet, especially if you wear shoes. The further you move away from the heart, the smaller and more fragile the veins become. You don’t get further away than the feet! The veins may look big as there is little fat on your feet, but the veins are quite small with fragile walls.

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Old 06-09-2010, 09:37
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SWIM is wondering about what people are saying about feet veins. Is this personal experience or speculation?

SWIM actually found that misses in the foot are less painful, don't get infected, and heal faster (probably because of all the bloodflow to the feet). SWIM's experience has been opposite of what other people have been saying apparently?
I think swiny misunderstand the concept of Time, while he is a IDU. .
What is working for 4 Years do not mean it will also work for the next 4 years!!

Than we have the personal experience,
the Cat done the deep Veins in the groin without problems for years
but this do not mean it is recommended for others

We need to discuss on the lowest common denominator
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Old 06-09-2010, 09:46
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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Like Spucky, Sparkles injected in her groin for a long time, no problems. She has mates who lost limbs very quickly using this ROA. IVing in the foot veins is not that easy. They wobble very easily, and shots can be missed if you're not very very careful. Also after using them for a while they do tend to become thrombosed, or should I say Sparky's have.

Sparky would only use these veins when she couldn't get any other, the next place would be her neck (jugular) vein. But she's not advocating using that one either. On a scale of one to ten, with the elbow vein being a ten, the foot veins (in her opinion) are a three, in terms of using successfully without any problems such as soreness, and missed shots.

You can miss a tiny bit of a shot anywhere else and deal with it. Miss a little bit in your foot and you can't wear shoes on that foot, so it severely limits what you can do. This is not speculation, it's personal experience. Ok, everyone is different, perhaps some people have veins in their feet that don't move, and are a little bigger than hers? There are easy to see, and easy to access, that's about all they have going for them.



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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Thanks everyone. Swim considered all opinions. And decided to just try for a register in his foot. He got a good one, but it hurt likje hell. So he stopped. He now has a big red lump just for that. So for swim feet are bad. Swim avoided hands because of visibility, but decided to do it there again. He tied off on his forearm got a good register, then slowly started injecting. It didn't burn and he started getting a rush, but hen his vein started puffing up. So he stopped and muscled the rest of the shot. Was the puffing because he didn't take the tie off?

benderman added 1 Minutes and 5 Seconds later...

(yes swim knows you should remove tourniquet, it just got stuck.)

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Re: invisible veins/injecting in feet

Sometimes one has to go slower in the wrist/hand; the veins are smaller there, even though they might look juicier, it's just because they are closer to the surface. The puffiness was probably a combo of going bit fast for the vein & not taking off the tie.

Also, it has been noticed that it's even more important to apply pressure to the spot for a bit of time after the shot than when injecting into the inner elbow area.

Applying pressure, raising above the heart while doing so, and icing the area when finished for the night has made the worst cocaine mess of Girlie's wrist & hand almost invisible upon the next day.

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SWIM is wondering about what people are saying about feet veins. Is this personal experience or speculation?

SWIM actually found that misses in the foot are less painful, don't get infected, and heal faster (probably because of all the bloodflow to the feet). SWIM's experience has been opposite of what other people have been saying apparently?
So is the wolf's experience shooting in the feet.
When veins tend to roll SWIM tries to take them "the other way", means not with the bloodstream but against it.
As SWIM IVs Methadone it means a much bigger shot than with heroin and even so he never missed a vein or had swellings.
First thing to have a good shot is to have a good setting, lots of space and time and last not least good sharp needles.
the wolf tried never used his groin to inject in. he has seen to much people limping for long time and also losing their complete leg.
Some places should be left for emergency cases...
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Maybe this is happen because the Blood in that Vein is stowed
because of the Body-Position!
(Mermaid-Style)

If swiny really need "that" Vein try a standing Position,
don't bow the Knee (don't know if i can say it in that way!)
Thanks so much for the advice Spucky! For some reason, SWIM feels like she should have remebered this but never did . Fortunately, SWIM uses much less frequently than before, so she is able to use her arm veins fairly easily.

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