Drug info - New years trip

[Creeping Death]

I'm thinking of tripping for the first time this new years. I've been wanting to try LSD for about a year, and i've reserched it carefully. Since i've never taken psychadelics before, i thought that magic mushrooms would be a better idea (as i understand it, the LSD trip can feel more overwhelming and uncontrollable than mushrooms). However, i cant get a hold of mushrooms. The problem is that most shroomers grow their own and keep it to themselves over here.

Anyway, the setting that this will be in is not the ideal one. A good thing is to be in a controllable enviroment, with people who you trust, and preferably with someone who's done the drug before. I won't have either one of these. Of course, all my friends will be there and we'll have a blast, but you can't really trust any of these people to look after you intensely in case something goes bad.

My plan is to initially take 1 hit (or less, depending on how many mics there is on each). Then if i dont get any effects, take another half hit. And then after that, perhaps another half hit. If i take 2 hits (or the equivilent of ~100-150 ug) and don't feel too much, i'll call it a night (as far as the acid goes). You can always experiment on another time.

In case i take 1 hit, and it ends up being 30 trillion gazillion ug (in other words; too much) and blasts me into orbit, i'll have some benzoos prepared to help take the edge off an overwhelming trip. I also probably won't do any other drugs that evening, unless the acid is too weak. The risk of a bad trip has kept me away from acid for a while, but i feel pretty good mentally now.

But as always, there are insecurities, wich is why i would like to know more about the experience itself.

For example i've read lots of trip reports and people talking about their hallucinations and so forth. Some of these hallucinations sound pretty creepy. If you have a creepy hallucination, do you know that its a hallucination, and laugh it off? Or is the LSD trip supposed to be "creepy", and thats why you all love it so much?

As usual, marijuana is a big part of the festivities around here. I've read that smoking marijuana before the trip kicks in can take the "edge" off. During what time does this apply? Is it before you feel any effects at all, or after you start feeling a slight "difference" and the beginning of the trip? Also if you smoke some before the trip and it works as an "edge-remover", does that mean that you can smoke more after the effects of the LSD have kicked in, without it making the trip stronger?

If i am tripping on this dose (~100-150 ug), how coherent will i be? Will i understand what people are saying to me, and be able to make reasonable decisions based on this? Will i take a shit on the floor as a result of somebody saying something?

One more thing. If i buy liquid LSD (water diluted), are there any ways to take it at a lesser dose than by the drop? One drop might contain more than i'm prepared for. Like if i put a drop in a glass of water, and only drink half the water, does that mean that i've taken only half the drop, or does it solve unevenly in the glass?

Any help is greatly appreciated. If i knew the answer to these questions, i'd feel much more secure with trying acid for the first time.

[Nature Boy]

First of all, the blotters you seem to be getting are a tad weak if two hits equals roughly 100-150ug. Most single blotters I've come across would equal this.

First time doing LSD can be a little overwhelming but since you've done shrooms, once the effects kick in, you'll be semi-familiar with the territory mentally. The come up, should all go well, is usually very pleasant with no nausea and you can often feel very happy. I found LSD to be VERY powerful the first time I did it, but not powerful in the intimidating way, but powerful in that it must be respected. That's why your setting could become something of a problem. It is always good to do acid with a very reliable sitter or some fellow trippers in a place where you won't be disturbed much. I really don't like tripping with people who are just drinking and socialising because my state of mind becomes very different. It is difficult to maintain coversation at times, and you may feel an overwhelming urge to lay back somewhere on your own and listen to music.

As for creepy hallucinations, I think these only come with a pretty heavy dose. On a low dose, though still mind-blowing, hallucinations are very similar to those of mushrooms, only geometric closed eye visuals are a lot more vivid, and that sort of "wobbling room" feeling is very apparent. If anything, the creepy hallucinations appear when the peak is over. The after effects visually linger for hours and people's faces can often look distorted and butt-ugly frankly. I try to see the lighter side of this knowing that after a good night's sleep everything will go back to normal.

As far as smoking pot goes, a little beforehand is fine but I prefer to have 2-3 beers instead just to warm up and get rid of any apprehension. When the LSD kicks in, smoking improves it more than anything I've found, and it can be a great experience if you get around to rolling a joint. Usually when on anything strong (coke, XTC, large dose of shrooms) I constantly smoke but the last time I tripped on acid I barely smoked at all because I didn't feel the need to. The LSD is strong enough so that the marijuana will barely alter the effects in any positive or negative way so the factor becomes smoking for enjoyment's purpose. Weed tastes great on acid.

Your dose (100-150ug) is a full single dose. Do expect to get a little out of touch with reality. Unless you're very comfortable with how people perceive you, you will feel noticed probably. You won't shit on a floor (I hope) but you may be utterly confused at times if a lot of people are talking at once or something.

As far as the water dilution question goes, I'll leave someone else fill that because I'm not an expert on the matter. My advice to you is to assess the situation careful before you drop. Don't drop all your acid very quickly. Two hours between every blotter or half-blotter is a good starter's pace. Keep in mind all the tips about setting, frame of mind, Erowid advice etc. These things usually come into play with acid and it's a tougher game than mushies. Expect the comedown to be pretty long as well. You'll be awake for hours after the peak more than likely so have something planned: movies, TV, computer games, snacks, smoke a bag of weed etc.

Anyway good luck and I hope I've been of assistance. If you've any more questions don't hesitate to ask.

[Silence_Inc]

why don't you test a half trip or more with a good friend before the party? ... first time is always nice in a completley controlled enviroment ... to - touch your own and acid borders. to know what you can expect. cause when you are the only one doing it - it can be that you'll feel like the only one not undertsood in the group - or the only one that can't understand the rest of the group ... and this is okay, you know - the world isn't made only of understanding each other - so when that falls away - that the only thing that falls away - al the rest will just be the same.

anyway, nature boy gave good advice.

my advice is - when it get's a little confused - don't try to understand it ... don't look for things that will help you - most of the times it's just a split second in your mind making a few minutes a little less fun ... the perfect therapy for this is to ... DANCE DANCE DANCE!

have fun and start low ... and read my first sentance again babai!

[Silence_Inc]

............... sorry again (this mouse is old - sorry)

[Creeping Death]

Thanks for the advice. But the thing is that i have not done shrooms. Infact, i haven't done any psychadelics ever. Thats why i'm playing everything safe. I was going to take a half to one hit sometime before the festivities, to kind of get a better understanding of what to expect. But there won't be time for that.

What if i took a lower dose, maye 100-120 ug max? Would i still feel something that can be classed as "tripping"? My goal with this first trip is to get a better feel for this class of drugs, to learn to handle it by myself without needing people around me for safety. Not to have some kind of "it's the first time, so lets make it great" experience. Just to gradually bring myself into it.

[Nature Boy]

I didn't realise you hadn't done shrooms yet. In that case I wouldn't risk it at a party at all. Keep the acid, decide to go do it with a couple of buddies in a controlled environment and only take a low dose. I think acid is quite overwhelming if you haven't any psychedelic experience so don't take the risk of doing it in a chaotic environment.

[Creeping Death]

This is the setting that most people try acid for the first time in, isn't it? The "risk" can't be that big. And i always feel very comfortable at this type of social gathering, even if the enviroment is chaotic. At that dose (100 ug), what's the worst that can happen, really?

[Nagognog2]

Worst case? Screaming and running for the exit because all your pals have turned into ghouls out to suck your blood. Or sumthin'.

Typical case: You walk out and sit quietly to reduce the volume in your head and enjoy the inner trip more.

[Silence_Inc]

me too - i also feel very comfortable at chaotic places - as long as i don't use my head

look - alot of poeple did it - and a lot of poeple made it (when using there head straight) - the ride itself could be fun and sometimes little less fun ... you just have to decide what you want your first trip to be ...

if you wanna have a great party that night with joy and happiness - than other stuff is better for this - if you wanna know acid and learn about it's power - than you have to take it where you can fully give it attention - a crowded place sucks out your inner attention ... . a crowded place will learrn alot too - but might be too much to maintain a constant secure and enjoyable feeling the first time. but - that's what you decide - just be aware of this possibility and you won't be fooled if it happens.

but hey - i'm one of those safety dudes ... . swim's second trip was also at a party ... . and it went okay... .

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Creeping Death

This is the setting that most people try acid for the first time in, isn't it? The "risk" can't be that big. And i always feel very comfortable at this type of social gathering, even if the enviroment is chaotic. At that dose (100 ug), what's the worst that can happen, really?

Most people who try acid for the first (and usually only) time don't usually know what they're doing. Avoid a possibly bad night by doing the smart thing and setting up the event properly. However, if you feel very comfortable tripping in front of an audience, by all means go ahead, just don't say I didn't warn you.

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by Silence_Inc

swim's second trip was also at a party ... . and it went okay... .

Dude, can you describe that trip? How it went and so forth, and how much you took? I'd really like that.

[Silence_Inc]

just imagine that your mind is running at triple speed - lights flashing everywhere - colors changin - loud music - you see faces in photographic hallucinations - sounds reshape into alienated echoos - your sweating and feeling a little disorientated ... and than - you suddenly think ... oh my god - did i wet my pants?! ...


if you at that moment are not afraid to look at your pants to settle things and than keep on partying - than go for it - if you are the type of person that would look arround at the other poeple first if they saw you - afraid of what they migth think and how stupid you must look at that moment ... than start home first ...

look - i don't know you - so i'll never give the perfect advice ...

but i feel like i always have to let poeple know the ohter side of the game too ... just so you have a clue of what might happen.

but - swim has never had a bad trip in his life - really - you know best if you can handle it. if you don't - try it first with friends at a nice place.

(btw - swim doesn't use drugs at parties anymore - best place is right at home )

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by Silence_Inc

just imagine that your mind is running at triple speed - lights flashing everywhere - colors changin - loud music - you see faces in photographic hallucinations - sounds reshape into alienated echoos - your sweating and feeling a little disorientated ... and than - you suddenly think ... oh my god - did i wet my pants?! ...

LMAO!! I've been there.

[Creeping Death]

That wetting your pants part is kind of recognisable

I've been in similar situations in the past, and i dont ever care what other people think about it. Because in my mind, i wouldn't care if it happened to them. I'll probably go ahead with it at a low dose.

The dude sells the acid in drops (exactly how much is in each drop, i'll find out). Figure i'll bring a small bottle of orange juice with me and put the drop in there. Then shake it properly, and then take a sip now and then over a period of 2 1/2 hours untill i've drank 1/4 of the bottle. That'll probably a good amount to start with, since i've heard that the drops are pretty powerful. If i don't feel anything, just take more, right?

I appreciate the help, guys. I'll report back with how it went sometime after new years.

[Nature Boy]

Drops, though I never had one, I'd imagine are pretty damn strong considering there's probably less acid in a blotter than you could fit on the top of a match-stick. Be very careful if you continue to dose yourself because sometimes the come up can be pretty slow. Give it a good hour or two before you continue dosing.

[Caliform]

I also suggest being rather careful in soluting it in other fluids than it's base fluid. LSD is rather fragile... If the dose is high enough, however, I figure it will outlast the decay.

I do know people who dissolute it in orange juice, on grapefruits, etc. but I don't know how this affects it's potency. I don't think it will last very long, at least.

[Creeping Death]

Maybe water would be safer to use than juice...

[Caliform]

Then even if it is water, you should use aquadest (distilled water), as tap water still contains pollutants. I think non-soluted until use is the best choice, as it won't remain well diffused and perserved in a fluid not akin to it's base.

[Creeping Death]

Hmm. How should you store it until use then? If i have to somehow preserve the drop for a few days, then mix it in water and drink it. Should i put it on a piece of paper, and then put it in a plastic bag?

[deji]

Thats the last thing you want to do. Take a hit of acid alone at a party. You will freak out. Like the other guy said, you will most likely leave.

Cant you get a group of friends and just trip with you guys? 3 or 4 friends all tripping with weed would be really fun on new years. We did that once actually.

I have ate acid plenty of times, but I can honestly say I never enjoyed the whole thing. Liek with ecstasy, I get disappointed that its over, with acid, I am like thank god its over. But its fun at times, but way too long. And make my body feel strange after many hours. But the way I think about it is, a drug that lasts 12+ hours for XXX, what do you expect? I remember once I took 2 hits with a friend. We went back to his house, I was like 15 or 16 at the time. We were so wrecked, I don't even remember that day really. I just remember being on his floor and everythign was waving so crazy. Its actually scary when I think back on it. Other times I have taken one, and would usually laugh uncontrollably for hours. I would always complain that I can't stop smiling, almost my face wouldnt let me stop. I have never seen a "hallucination" But usually after smoking weed I would see cool stuff. Once we ended at a movie theatre somehow, and the floor was like a diamond pattern. The diamonds were lifting off the ground and spinning in the air. Another time there was this cool cloud formation, and it turned into a bird formation and was flying in circles. So usually shapes trigger cool things. I have never seen a giant elephant appear in the street or anything like that.

I would never recommend to trip alone though. Never. Having other people with you tripping is a big part of the fun. I remember once there was like 5 of us tripping. It was really late, like 2am. We walked to the corner store. The lady working there had these HUGE glasses. We kept looking at eachother, then her, and laughing so loud. She kept saying that we are too old to be acting this way. It was hilarious. Thats the fun part of acid, laughing with you buddies. So thats why I say dont do it alone. Oh yeah, you also want only people tripping to be with you. People not tripping completely ruin it. So thats another reason.

Have fun though.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by deji

I have never seen a giant elephant appear in the street or anything like that.

No one ever does. LSD is a hallucinogenic, not a random image generator. It only distorts what you already see.

[Creeping Death]

Originally Posted by deji

Thats the last thing you want to do. Take a hit of acid alone at a party. You will freak out. Like the other guy said, you will most likely leave.

If by "alone" you mean "the only one tripping", i'm prepared to take that chance. I think it's even better that way. In case something goes wrong, there will be reasonably reality-attached people around to solve the situation. It's just a first thing that i'm doing to learn about it. There will be many years ahead to truthfully experiment with the substance

I really need help in deciding what way to store the drop, however. How long would acid survive in a bottle of destilled water? And would it be prolonged if i kept the bottle in the freezer?

I have to make it survive for about a week before actually ingesting it.

[deji]

Trust me man, you don't want to trip alone. Like I mentioned, the fun part of it is laughing with others. Even if you had a few friends that were doing it with you, and at some house party. You guys would end up leaving or secluding yourselves somewhere away from others. You're going to feel like a complete outsider alone and have nobody to share anything with. Do as you wish, but I highly recommend against it. Get drunk with your friends on new years and have sex with a girl. Don't eat acid alone. Several people have recommended against it in this thread. You should just listen. I will drop this now, I just wanted to stress that what you had planned is a very bad idea is all. And to make sure you had a good warning.

Regarding the image part. I have heard people come up with completely random images. Who knows if they were bullshitting though. If you look in the hallucination thread, someone said they saw an elf run around their room. What I mean I have never seen anything like that. Image distortion is totally what it does for me though.

Make sure you post back after new years. I want to hear your story.

[Nature Boy]

Originally Posted by deji

Trust me man, you don't want to trip alone. Like I mentioned, the fun part of it is laughing with others. Even if you had a few friends that were doing it with you, and at some house party. You guys would end up leaving or secluding yourselves somewhere away from others. You're going to feel like a complete outsider alone and have nobody to share anything with. Do as you wish, but I highly recommend against it. Get drunk with your friends on new years and have sex with a girl. Don't eat acid alone. Several people have recommended against it in this thread. You should just listen. I will drop this now, I just wanted to stress that what you had planned is a very bad idea is all. And to make sure you had a good warning.

I agree with him. Don't say you haven't been warned!!

[Creeping Death]

Well, that sounds very discouraging. Why would i feel like an outsider? I'm not a person who in general feels like an outsider when doing something alone. Besides, wouldn't it be more interesting to see the world that you're used to, but from a new perspective?

If everyone else was tripping, it would kind of take away to point of it. I'm not trying to argue anything, since i don't really have anything to base it on. But maybe it's an individual thing?