Purity - The cocaine qualities, strains, grades, fishscale threads

[FutureMovieStar]

SWIM has seen these cuts...

Baking soda, which isn't used that often, unless the dealer is new to the game or they are trying to screw you and be cheap. It numbs up real good, however, the cola effect isn't as good usually cause the cola has been cut hard.

Ether, this cut has an intense smell sometimes, and is known to be used cause it makes people fiend more for another line. SWIM doesn't like this cut at all. Sometimes you can tell its there until after you do a line and it seems "gassy". Best way SWIM can describe it.

Vitamin C, makes the cola have a tangy taste to it. After heavy usage (2 days or so) you may not crave Oj or vitamin etc.

Vitamin B, take a can of Red Bull and smell it. Red Bull has 250% vitamin B. When you do a line you will notice the taste and smell almost instantly. This is one of SWIM's favorites cause your body gets energy from it and it helps the cola last longer even if only part of it is from the B.

Lidocaine, look this up on google images and you will see the shine it puts off. If you get some blow that is really shiny, I mean REALLY shiny...it even looks like scales of shine. It doesn't look like sparkles...thats some other b.s. It looks like scale, HOWEVER it only reflects back the light and doesn't throw colors like true scale or pink does. SWIM was fooled once, but after SWIM learned....never again. Lidocaine numbs up well, and it doesn't hurt etc. Just be weary of something that is way to shiny, as its this cut, and usually cut hard causing low quality.

There are other cuts, but these are the ones that SWIM has seen the most often and that SWIM can identify.

[Benga]

apparently one way LE has of determining "strains" ie cocaine production trademarks is through through chromatographic analysis.
production leaves impurities, and these impurities are specific to each production lab, like a signature. this allows you to name the "strain"

as for physical properties of cocaine, swim wouldn't count on it for determination of a "strain".

http://journalsip.astm.org/JOURNALS/...PAGES/2017.htm

[Nahbus]

I've heard of people using powdered glass as a cutting agent. Why any stupid fuck would do this is beyond me. Sure, let's cut it with glass so the customer can find out what a peice of shit you are and stop buying from you! Good strategy!

[davidBuster23]

I've never heard of powdered glass, but usually other crappy cuts (are there any other kind?) are added a few steps up the chain by someone who thinks they're making a one-time score. If you deal through reputable channels, that kind of thing should never happen.

[Free Spirit]

SWIM has been enjoying the occasional line of cocaine for many, many years, albeit with lengthy intervals of abstinence. Initially these ‘intermissions’ were merely about getting bored with the stuff after a period of frequent usage, and/or common sense kicking in. - It's never a bad idea to take a break from things every now an then, right? It helps keeping things in perspective and interesting.

Whatever the reason to pause for a while, it was never about quality. Purity and wash may of course have varied a bit, and one may have preferred flakes over rocks, Peruvian over Colombian or vice versa, but it always still was decent coke.

In those days the better suppliers were all about quality, and they had a sense of pride in their work. If someone had a beautiful ‘pink’ Peruvian flake f.i. word got around and everyone in the ‘in-crowd’ would be eager to buy some.

Nowadays the pride has gone, and the dealers are only about making the most profit, regardless how they make it or what garbage they are selling.

Therefore the ‘pauses’ are increasingly about sheer frustration regarding the quality. It's just not worth spending good money on bad drugs, right? The quality seems to be decreasing consistently over the years. Most notably in small dealers of course, and in the 'party scene' it even seems to be quite common that cocaine has been replaced all together, rather than 'merely' cut. Combined with the fact that lately many small dealers seem to think that a gram is actually 800mg instead of 1000mg, it takes the fun clean out of it.

What's even worse perhaps is the fact that they can get away with it so easily. Esp. the younger generation generally seems to be oblivious about quality. They hardly seem to know what pure cocaine should look, taste and feel like to begin with. As long as they feel ‘something’ and their heart starts beating faster they seem to be all to eager to accept it’s ‘good coke’. Not entirely their fault perhaps, as many may never have seen truly good cocaine, but we’ll get to that later. What is reproachable however is the lack of genuine interest in the product. Investing a bit of money in a decent scale and learning how to test one’s own coke already seems to be a stretch. Even a proper grinding is often too much to ask apparently; just stuff whatever is in the seal up your nose and wait and see what happens… No wonder the less conscientious dealers are having a field day. And they will continue to do so until broad consumer awareness will prevent them.

Before venturing into a drug one should read up on it and discuss it with people with experience on the matter. One should be able to spot the difference between the aggressive effect of speed vs. the mellow high of a decent coke, or the difference in taste between coke and novocaine etc. Moreover, every human being with a shred of common sense should be utterly aware of what they are ingesting. Putting one’s health in the hands of some people one normally wouldn’t trust with their 2nd hand car does not make a whole lot of sense, now does it?

Buy a book on testing, and invest some money in a good scale. It’s worth it. Although the cutting agents are getting more ‘intelligent’ all the time, it’s still possible to determine the quality with a few simple tests.

Also, don’t forget about one’s own health. Take the time to grind the product properly until you have a very fine powder. The effect will be much stronger, it’ll last longer, and your nose will be very grateful for it. Cleaning one’s nose after a night on the town (rinse with lukewarm water, preferably with a bit of dissolved salt to make the water softer) is definitely a good idea. Make a habit of this and it may well save one’s septum from being perforated. Taking some vitamin supplements is also not a bad idea. And finally, it may be wise to wait until after dinner before taking a line, otherwise the food will most likely be wasted. ‘Common sense’ you might say, or ‘goes without saying’ but SWIM has noticed these givens are not that self explanatory as they once used to be. Hence this advice.

So far the receiving end.

SWIM has noticed these days the cocaine is often already cut before it even enters the country. This used to be utterly inconceivable, as transporters would logically not want take the risk to smuggle extra bulk, which would otherwise be a legal and inexpensive agent. It simply made more sense to transport only the pure unadulterated product and add the ‘baby powder’ later. That way they had less bulk to drag along, and why on earth would one want to make baby powder illegal by mixing it with cocaine?! Especially given the fact that the penalties if caught are usually directly related to the quantity. Moreover, the low cost of cocaine in SA always was totally incomparable to the high prices in the west, so out there it hardly made sense to cut it in the first place. Sheer logic, no?

Well, apparently even logic isn’t what it used to be, as it’s increasingly difficult to find the pure product, even as it’s just entered the country and supposed to be ‘untouched’. It seems that the philosophy of the export market has changed, and labs and handlers in the countries of origin have also discovered the cut. One can only guess for the reason:

• The ‘War on Drugs’ in general and the invasive actions of the US in other countries in particular.
• A (substantially) growing demand, making the pure product more scarce.
• Changed routing, i.e. more ‘hubs’ / handlers
• The radically changed information and communication technologies (i.e. the Internet).

Did the South Americans get greedy or lazy when they learned how often cocaine gets ‘stepped on’ in the west? Do they think ‘why produce more cocaine if we can sell baby powder instead’, or is there simply not enough cocaine to go around? If there isn’t enough to go around, is that because crops are destroyed in the ‘War on Drugs’, or simply because the demand got bigger? Or is it being cut in some ‘hub’ country before it’s moved on to the west?

Whatever the reason, one can only hope to improve this by applying good ol’ consumer awareness. After all, as soon as consumers start to refuse a bad product the suppliers will be forced to increase quality. Therefore it’s every user’s duty to demand quality, for their own good and that of their peers.

SWIM would be very interested to hear about people’s experiences and opinions:

• Did SWIY notice a decrease in quality?
• If so, what does SWIY think the reason is?
• Does SWIY know the reason?

Also, if SWIY has useful advice on testing cocaine, a concise and comprehensible write-up may be very helpful to educate people. Everyone who’s remotely interested in the subject can only benefit from that, directly or indirectly…



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[Nicaine]

SWIM can only agree 100%... he's got a friend who does coke regularly, with exactly the attitude you mention of the "younger generation" (up to and including not bothering to chop properly)... and he's in his late 30s! SWIM tried to help/reform him, but it was mostly hopeless. He put up with it awhile, as this guy was his only contact for occasional use... but SWIM isn't wasting his money anymore with this idiot who wouldn't know or care if the stuff he got was measured properly or was even the real thing. It's a crying shame.

[KomodoMK]

'many small dealers seem to think that a gram is actually 8mg instead of 10mg'

1 gram == 1000mg

SWIM doesn't touch cola all that often, but has done a fair bit over the last 3 years or so, quality has always been genereally shit except for on a couple of occasions, and really isn't worth the money.

SWIM would love to try some almost pure stuff to compare it against street level but I doubt SWIM will ever get the chance.

[Free Spirit]

Originally Posted by mkcrck

1 gram == 1000mg

Yes, you're right of course, it's even in the word milligram... Typo corrected.

Originally Posted by mkcrck

SWIM would love to try some almost pure stuff to compare it against street level but I doubt SWIM will ever get the chance.

Alledgedly it can be found very occasionally - with a lot of effort, the right connections and a bit of luck. But regrettably these are the exceptions to the rule.

Back in the day the standard was 87% pure cocaine hydrochloride and folks were discussing the difference between Colombian and Peruvian, and the difference in smell, taste and feel of it. Nowadays it's about which cut has been used and how much (if they're wise to it that is). There's even a cut around that's been designed to survive the cooking process, to fool people into believing what's left is actually cocaine. Sad really.

If this is the result of the War on Drugs it's pretty pathetic. The younger generations still uses, possibly even more so. It's just become way more dangerous since it's getting harder and harder to tell what's actually in it. If the government prefers that people ingest a dodgy mix of unknown chemicals instead of a pure natural product they have succeeded. Arguably the pure product is actually a lot safer.

Others who got fed up with it shifted to other, possibly more harmful substances. The only ones who benefit are the criminals, for peddling cheap and possibly dangerous crap for a lot of money. Chapeau...
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[Freak_]

Originally Posted by Free Spirit

And finally, it may be wise to wait until after dinner before taking a line, otherwise the food will most likely be wasted.
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Why this? I like eating on coke.

[Free Spirit]

Originally Posted by Freak_

Why this? I like eating on coke.

Then you're either the exception to the rule, or proving the point about decreasing quality.

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Cocaine is a crystalline tropane alkaloid that is obtained from the leaves of the coca plant. It is a stimulant of the central nervous system and an appetite suppressant, creating what has been described as a euphoric sense of happiness and increased energy. Though most often used recreationally for this effect, cocaine is also a topical anesthetic used in eye, throat, and nose surgery. Cocaine can be psychologically addictive, and its possession, cultivation, and distribution is illegal for non-medicinal and non-government sanctioned purposes in virtually all parts of the world. The name comes from the name of the coca plant plus the alkaloid suffix -ine.

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[KomodoMK]

SWIM has been able to eat a little on coke, but not a meal or anything bigger than a single sandwhich.

If someone unexpectingly got some pure stuff these days, I think they would be in for a big shock. I have a friend who once got given some from a high up connection, he racked himself up 2 lines, but after doing 1 his face went all numb and he got the shakes a little. Couldn't touch the other line for over an hour. Since then his never bothered to purchase the cola.

[eniacoc]

SWIM has had PURE most of the time (as in purified by SWIM, maybe +95%), and his face didnt get all numb. It numbs a bit, specially the teeth, but not all the face. Probably it was cut with procaine, which is much more powerful as an anestethic, but that's just SWIM's opinion.

[bassintro]

now aday's as a common citizen of the US. it is almost impossible to get 100% pure. It's all about the $, and it's hard to find in the first place. Plus, most of it get's mixed with ammonia of baking soda and sold in the ghetto anyway for XXX ahit as crack. I heard somewhere that you can actually buy a small amount of the pure coca leaf as
"inka tea" and make you own pure...
Im sure you would have to be a scientist or something to do that though. Whatever, what is out there and goin on is it, no one can really do anything about it but ride the wave.

*No Prices! 85 posts and SWIY STILL hasn't read the fucking rules! For future reference they are here...

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/ann...t.php?f=43&a=1

Consider SWIYself warned: Strike 1!

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[salina]

my friend told me he could get real coke and they called it fishscales and said it was crystals not powder and i asked if if that was really coke. has any one heard of this

[salina]

my friend said he can get some real coke because all the cut really makes it a bad high he said they called it fishscales cuz it was crystals i asked him if it was really coke he was dealing with he said yea any one else heard of such a thing

[Benga]

please do not post nearly identical threads on the same subject.
avoid possible self incrimination.
read the rules.


read up on cocaine qualities by browsing the forum using the "purity" prefix.

[psyche]

Umm... I don't see any self-incrimination of anything indicating that it has been edited.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by psyche

Umm... I don't see any self-incrimination of anything indicating that it has been edited.

Posting that you, in the first person, ie the original poster, has a friend who deals "with" cocaine is not a good idea, as it could lead to inquiries and other things.
also remember that the self incrimination rule is not just for the posters, but also for this forum and forum owners.

hope this clears things up.

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[CiaraC]

"pure" coke just means it hasn't been cut with other things, aka baking powder, b-12, baby teething tablets...whatever, people put in those things to make more to sell but if it's cut too much it turns to shit. When coke is pure it should have a shiny gleam to it almost like you're looking at fish scales...get it? And no by adding shit to it ,it doesn't make it a "bad" high it just takes more to get you high or you just don't get as high. Oh and it shouldn't be in crystals really, it's still a powder weither it's pure or not, if it is pure it should be in little white (or yellow if a kerocine base)pebbles. hope that helped.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Originally Posted by CiaraC

"pure" coke just means it hasn't been cut with other things, aka baking powder, b-12, baby teething tablets...whatever, people put in those things to make more to sell but if it's cut too much it turns to shit. When coke is pure it should have a shiny gleam to it almost like you're looking at fish scales...get it? And no by adding shit to it ,it doesn't make it a "bad" high it just takes more to get you high or you just don't get as high. Oh and it shouldn't be in crystals really, it's still a powder weither it's pure or not, if it is pure it should be in little white (or yellow if a kerocine base)pebbles. hope that helped.

WRONG, cut coke can have a very different high not just it takes more of it.
I would give you some examples but it has already been discussed at length.
the comedown is where the real difference is felt oh yea the rush is really affected from cut aswell. I don't mean to sound like a dick , it just reads like that. BTDTA

[rikk]

I've heard of something like this--cocaine presented in crystals, rather than fine powder, and usually of a slightly pink/salmon color, rather than white (allegedly from some interaction between the crystals and light).

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swim hasen't tried it yet, but has heard it's the real deal--however, it is not widely available here (here being within driving distance of the Colombian guerrillas and cocaine fields), but occasionally you hear about casual users who visit Colombia for one reason or another and bring back a gram or two of "pink cocaine" with them.

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[epote]

I've heard of something like this--cocaine presented in crystals, rather than fine powder, and usually of a slightly pink/salmon color, rather than white (allegedly from some interaction between the crystals and light).

I
swim hasen't tried it yet, but has heard it's the real deal--however, it is not widely available here (here being within driving distance of the Colombian guerrillas and cocaine fields), but occasionally you hear about casual users who visit Colombia for one reason or another and bring back a gram or two of "pink cocaine" with them.

cocaine if pure is crystals, like little diamond or rectangular flakes (well depending out of what it was crystalized). After being choped up or pressed or whatever it stops being fluffy crystals.

actually, cocaine originaly, like just after it is dried from cystalization resembles snow, both in concintency, density, viscous properties and sparkly apearence.

Unless you make it your self it nigh imposible to find it like that though. And no its not pink, purple, yellow or anything else.

If it has collor is due to cuts, the occasional addition of flavour, or problematic manufacture.

(a yellow tint probably means it has oils from the plant, or is overly acidized, or that it still had amonia when adding the hcl acid).

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sorry, I suggest you not speak in absolutes, you do not know all there is about coke. before you were born and even 15...

[CiaraC]

Maybe Florida is different, or maybe it's cause pure is all swim ever gets here (comes back between 98-99% after cooking) but kerocine based cocaine is usally a yellow color, people call it butter! it's actually some of the best shit out there. try it, and lighten up a little people. when it comes to drugs no one is 100% right because there are so many ways to manufacture and it really is a toss up. Swim said one comment and happens to be a newbie but atleast swim has real life experience and swim doesn't pretend to know everything...isn't that the reason people join this forum, to give their two cents and learn more? not criticize other people and make them feel like shit . This forum has some of the worst people and it's sad. Maybe it's cause i live a laid back lifestyle with really cool people who like to help you that i think the majority of the people on this thing have a huge ego and think they know everything when half the stuff on here is questionable. I hope people who are writing on this thing actually have realy life experience and arn't on their computers all day researching because living it is half the knowledge. Swim bets no one here even has seen cocaine being made. I'm outta this forum.

[piuiher]

well ...well...

there are a few reports of people actually producing it it in their house either from bad/cut material or straight from leaves, so I think you should stick with us !