Purity - The cocaine qualities, strains, grades, fishscale threads

[Winky]

SWIM started buying coke in the nineties in Birmingham UK. The man in question was a wholesaler, but SWIM was a friend of a friend so he did 2g at a time. At first quantities were OK but quality so-so. However, then the man started buying bigger and SWIm wasa regular so he used to get full measures of very, very strong stuff. Real septum - wobbling stuff.


Back then, the stuff smelt like nail varnish and was either crystaline or pearlescent often cream cloured.Very, very nice. Then one Christmas, the man went to live in the big house. No more good stuff.


SWIM has met a lot of contacts since, but it's always been so-so. In fact SWIM has not had anything really GOOD for maybe five years.


Six month ago, SWIM bought an eight and it was dreadful. Felt ill for a week and the high was not brilliant. It had been the same from other sources for about three years.


SWIM now believes that it's nigh-on impossible to buy proper yay in the UK anymore. He has not seen, smelt or been told about anything good for literally years. Everything he has seen has been a poor imitation of what used to be about.


Things is, the people at the top cannot be happy with this situation. SWIM and his friends used to spend lots on it. Not now, they have all given up. Mind you, I suppose the youngsters are happy buying shit stuff at low prices to try to make themselves feel big.


Anyone else found this?





Edited by: Winky

[g-lock]

Swim has been through similar situations. Mostly when the main connect
wasn't around and some yay needed to be had. To most, dealing is all
about getting money quick, there isn't any thought on the long term
(and not even that long) aspect of the business, keeping customers
happy, etc... Unfortunately the good connects who are in it for the
"long term" and want to keep customers happy are rapidly dissappearing
(for obvious reasons) allowing the get rich quick 0.03% pure dealers to
do what they do.



I agree, if swim was at the top of this business, swim would be upset,
but what can you do? Call a worldwide meeting to discuss selling
practices? Sucks that this is what it has come to...but what can you
do? Maybe a Cocaine Sales Regulation Board should be started or
something, give those bad dealers demerits! :P

[Woodman]

Yes, I too, have found this to be true.

It would appear that there is a wordwide trend of diminished quality
cocaine.

The answer is to just stop buying until S. American cartel execs get the
message that low quality coke will drive away buyers.

They have to be made to feel it in THEIR OWN POCKETBOOKS in order to
make them get up off their asses and assert some quality control
measures over the distribution of their product.

They are undermining themselves. They are actually setting themselves
up to lose out on future prospects by driving away existing buyers, and
discouraging potentially new customers.

It's so bad, here, that I've stopped buying altogether, and I figure that in
addition to the horrible quality of the product, anyone who is content to
remain so "out-of-touch" with their client base is too stupid to do
business with, anyway.




Edited by: Woodman

[Winky]

Glad SWIM is not alone.


Trouble is, there are some people starting to think that this stuff is how it should be.


Swim was talking to a lady in her thirties who had been doing it for years. Swim mentioned that he'd stopped buying as he'd not had anything good for several years, and she said "no swim you have changed, its the same". So swim pointed out that five years ago, doing 2g would leave major nasal damage but little if any comedown, whereas today one could do an eight in one night, have few nasal problems but feel ill for a week. When she thought about it, she remembered how it used to be.


Swim has heard dealers say this - "people get used to what they get and don't question it". Well, maybe things are changing.


Swim can remember one of the last times when things were really good. He was driving back from Birmingham in his new Porsche Boxster. He'd been out for a social drink with a ex sub-dealer of the man who had been put awayin the big house. Now normally, this sub-dealer's stuff was only so-so, but she had a crush on Swim and they had been out for a drink. What she gave him was personal stock. Swim cracked out two medium lines and set off for the East Midlands. Somewhere around Tamworth, he came up on the most amazing blissful high that lasted about thirty minutes.


That was five years ago. Swim still recalls those days and is sad they seem to have gone.


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[tonymontana]

swim has noticed that nail polish remover stuff was shit compared to what
swim usually got which was white with shiny stripes also called fishscale.
swim thinks the further away from new york he gets, the worse the product.

[coconutman]

Swim heard Florida has some raw shit. If you know the right people you can get your hand on some popin shit.

[Winky]

Tony

Well, it's a long time ago now but the stuff alsways used to smell strong. It makes swim laugh when read on "drug info websites" that coke is odourless. Only the poor stuff is odourless.

Coconut

Sounds good. SWIM believes that the men who really understand their job will sell good shit.

W

[jouni]

I'm not 100% sure but what I think merck or some similar source says labgrade cocaine is odourless.As we all know street coke has traces of acetone ether..etc because of the circumstances how it it is made.Swim personally likes the extra boost the ether smell gives you at good rush,if you know what he means,it remainds him the days when yay was good..

[frosty]

He he he SWIM will just say...glad he lives in texas('cept for the Bush people down here)...no quality problems what so ever best he's had in years the last 6 months

[dodster]

maybe swim should try manchester uk. u get wat u pay for.

[ACiD TRiP xxx]

SWIM personally thinks there still is some good coke in the UK, it's just very hard to find. SWIM used to get coke off his old dealer for £40 a gram, after trying other coke he realized that he was getting a shit deal, and found a new dealer - now he's getting his stuff for £50 on the gram, but it's about 10 times better no joke!

It just depends on where you get your stuff really, just need to find a decent dealer who doesn't cut his stuff to shit. SWIM's method was just to try and climb the ladder as high as possible, the higher you get the better the stuff gets

Peace brother.

[thegod1]

Acid you should edit your post...

Since the first time I tried coke i've always had a real good dealer. He would tell me if the coke he was getting at the time was worth buying or not. Unlike a lot of dealers I know which claim there shit is always 100% untouched.

I found getting friendly with my dealer worked really well... He doesn't cut it, he gives me what he gets. But it does seem more often than not lately he's only getting hold of OK/shit coke. Unfortantly, theres not much anybody can/will do about this.

[FutureMovieStar]

Well SWIM...btw Hello everyone...gets decent stuff pretty regularly now...just wonder how long it will last.

Swim has seen fishscale at a party but was told that no matter how much moola was involved swim would never see it anywhere else (meaning no sale for me) Rumor was that individuals that handled it were extremely predjudice. Swim has since heard with reliable sources that most of the cola that makes it to the south US is great...its the next guy that cuts the holy hell out of it.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Woodman

Yes, I too, have found this to be true.

It would appear that there is a wordwide trend of diminished quality
cocaine.

The answer is to just stop buying until S. American cartel execs get the
message that low quality coke will drive away buyers.

They have to be made to feel it in THEIR OWN POCKETBOOKS in order to
make them get up off their asses and assert some quality control
measures over the distribution of their product.

Edited by: Woodman

the thing is it's mostly the distributors outside south america that are responsible for cuts. because of the difficulty, smuggled cocaine is always relatively pure, for the same reason cocaine-paste or base is rarely smuggled to europe or north america : when smuggling you want to have the most concentrated product, because it has more market value.

what you're implying is that south american cartels would have a control over the whole retail distribution system, but often the cartel just have control up to the point of entry outside america, and then the merchandise is dealt with by whoever buys it. In this kind of system, it would be difficult to put pressure on people who have bought your merchandise and telling them what to do with it...
I doubt your message will reach the cartels, that the drop of consumption would be anywhere near significant even if say 50 000 people stopped using cocaine in America...
and there's always crack, right....

[Woodman]

Actually, benga, I think the problem will solve itself.

Many long-time users have noticed the drop in quality and are now opting NOT to use.

Many new users visit this site and express frequent disappointment. It's only a matter of time before the number of dissatisfied customers becomes a factor that impacts sales revenue.

The static market has (and always will be) the junkie contingent of coke users. As the non-junkie customer base becomes diminished, junkies will become more commonly associated with cocaine and the drug will take on the image of sub-cultural grung that is synonymous with the junkie lifestyle.

It's a long way from the flash and bling of the 80's that made cocaine socially acceptable to the upper class, and widely popular to a large market.

[Box Holder]

Originally Posted by frosty

He he he SWIM will just say...glad he lives in texas('cept for the Bush people down here)...no quality problems what so ever .....

Nods. The humidity sucks, hurricanes suck, traffic sucks, lots of pollution but the yay is pretty good.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by Woodman

Actually, benga, I think the problem will solve itself.

Many long-time users have noticed the drop in quality and are now opting NOT to use.

Many new users visit this site and express frequent disappointment. It's only a matter of time before the number of dissatisfied customers becomes a factor that impacts sales revenue.

The static market has (and always will be) the junkie contingent of coke users. As the non-junkie customer base becomes diminished, junkies will become more commonly associated with cocaine and the drug will take on the image of sub-cultural grung that is synonymous with the junkie lifestyle.

It's a long way from the flash and bling of the 80's that made cocaine socially acceptable to the upper class, and widely popular to a large market.

I see what you mean.
Yet is cocaine use really decreasing in north-america ?
In the past decade the cartels have really pushed distribution in europe, creating a cocaine explosion there, and former eastern europe is also booming with the help of local mafias...And Asia is still pretty quiet, but amphetamine use is popular, so cocaine would catch on.
I think an impact on sale revenue might take a while...
If consumption drops, the market will be relocalised, and cocaine itself will become more of a rarity, thus more expensive, and it's hard to say wether this will have a positive impact on quality.
b

[FutureMovieStar]

Well Mexico has been manufacturing Ice like no tommorrow lately since that product has a higher profit margin and the chemicals are legal to buy there.

Perhaps the dealers are stomping the cola to try to get people to move to ice. I for one will never do meth.

[ramjet]

SWIM lives there too! Coke in Birmingham is cut to fuck. My friends mostly buy it Stafford, better quality (but from a dealer who is quite high up on the food chain, so it isn't cut as much), but even so you can never be certain about the quality nowadays. I agree though, the quality is nowhere near what it used to be.

SWIM bought a couple of blue mitsus in (edit: a place I'm probably not allowed to mention) last night and there weren't bad - fairly mild, but nice clean roll. Same for pills as with coke though - you get about half the quantity of MDMA in a pill these days.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by ramjet

Go to the......

these days.

maybe you should edit the last part of your post, it could be interpreted in certain ways...
b

[ramjet]

yeah, maybe you're right. I was simply trying to point out that the pills in this area are safe, but it might look a bit dodgy. Consider it done

[korky8097]

I also think it has something to do with boarder security. Since the word "terrorism" has made it into every americans vocabulary, the people have allowed our goverment more freedom to take away our freedom. Mules are getting busted more and more, therefore cutting the amount of coke making it into the US to a mere fraction of what it was in the good ol days. So the weight that gets snatched is made up in cut.

I believe the demand for yayo hasnt diminished that much, just the supply. Sadly enough most people given the choice of getting a poor high or nothing at all, will buy the yayo anyways. The dealers know this. And as none of us (or very little) are extremely wealthy or famous in which better yay just seems to be available, we all must set a price range for a high. I know i wouldnt pay a completely outragous sum to get some very good yay when all i can afford is some half decent coke. This is something the dealers also know, they know that not everybody could pay more money for the yay that comes to the dealer, so in order to make a profit, they have to cut it.

The way that the people can start getting better yay in my opinion, is for us to start thinking up better ways to get it here from down south. As we all know it would be extrememly difficult to cultivate and process cocaine within our boarders, the gov would have their size 10 boot up our ass before we could make a few kilos. I also think it has something to do with the times. Back then the man with the best coke was the dealer that made most profit/per unit of weight, now the man with coke at all can make money. Could even connect it with the music scene in the late 70's early 80's, as they said in blow it was accepted by almost all active musicians. Now if a celeb gets a pic taken of them snorting a line (cough moss cough) they get looked down upon by society. Ehh, just my 2 cents.

[WrtngCocaineTutorial]

Hello!

With cannabis you have over 500 strains. With different characteristics.

I just saw "basic instinct", and the police officer said that confiscated
"powder was cocaine - high quality - high content"

If cocaine is refined cocaine - thereby highest content (not medical):
"92% the remainder being other coca alkaloids such as L-ecgonine etc "
(exert from "the pleasures of cocaine, from Adam Gottlieb)

Can it have different qualities??

Is there different cocaine strains - which some are more potent or have different characteristics??

[Benga]

very hard to know. It's a question of production place and technique ( as in solvents used, purification, methods ) rather than actually strains. It's more how well processed the cocaine is. But then again cocaine will be cut by the time it reaches the user, so what matters more is how cut is the cocaine is and with what cutting agents.
as for the people that talk about "synthetic cocaine", it's just a myth or sale propaganda ( this has been discussed before here). Cocaine you will find will come from processed south american leaves, usually bought by traffickers in Peru Bolivia and Colombia, but sometimes the leaves are already processed into cocaine base, as this is more simple to smuggle to production site.
Then it depends on who and how the cartel processes the cocaine.

again, it's more a question of how the cocaine is processed, and this is hard to know because of the cutting agents though there are some telltale signs ( such as a yellow color which indicates a specific processing etc).
so speaking of strains is kind of pushing it, it would be more simple to speak of labs and cartels ( cocaine bricks are often branded, but then who knows someone handling cocaine bricks...)

[FutureMovieStar]

SWIM knows in the south central US, the kinds SWIM has seen are:
(these names could be local slang, SWIM does not really know)

Colombian Amarillo: light yellow color, more yellow than what most consumers would be used to seeing. Cut versions have big spots of yellow all over it.

Peruvian Pink / Escama / Pink Lights: the rock looks scaly, but in the light you can see a pinkish reflection. SWIM has heard this cola is 50 - 60% pure. Not to be confused with the next kind

Fishscale / Scale / Flake etc. etc.: this is the most popular one people look for. Supposedly this comes mainly from Bolivia, but thats not reliable info. The colors on the rock are like a rainbow. When you put it under a light you can see crazy multi color reflection. NO cut SWIM knows of does the same thing.

This info could be completely wrong. SWIM doesn't know. Now heres info on some cuts in the next post.