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Old 23-07-2010, 15:56
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best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

so swim is getting half a 75 microgram patch. swim read alot on fentanyl being really dangerous. swim is still gonna play with it. swim has no opiate tolarance. swim thought about chewing 1/4 a patch. but due to lack of resources swim doesnt know if that is even safe or not. swim really needs help on how he is going to use it.
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Old 23-07-2010, 17:51
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Chewing a quarter of 75mcg fentanyl patch would be suicidal, please do not do this. Not scaremongering, no being overly dramatic, just don't do this if you want to continue breathing. A quarter of a patch may not seem like a hell of a lot, but when you consider fentanyl is 100 times more potent than morphine, you can see what you have there is pretty lethal.

The patches are designed to deliver very small amounts of fentanyl into the body via the skin, not instantly, the way SWIY is considering using them. They will just OD on fentanyl, and stop breathing. So please, don't do this.


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Harm reduction at it's finest. Good job.
A quarter of 75 is not 22, and the 75mcg patch delivers 75mcg/hours, so the total in the patch is vastly higher than this. 22mcg would be a safe dose.
excellent harm reduction, this is not a substance to be toyed with
Great harm reduction. Good thing for SWIM you posted this
Really glad I read this before experimenting!

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Old 23-07-2010, 18:02
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Seriously, please listen to missparkles (and anyone else who might answer)! Do *NOT* mess around with Fentanyl! It is a drug that has easily killed people who are used to strong opiates like heroin...imagine what it would do to someone that has no opiate tolerance?!

A quarter of a 75mcg patch is faaaar too much for a non-tolerant individual. I implore SWIY - trade the patch for some Percocet or something safer if one's dead set on getting high from opiates!!

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Good harm reduction post.
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Old 23-07-2010, 18:13
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Thought I'd add this to clarify since it hasn't been mentioned:

You have to remember that chewing a quarter of a 75mcg patch won't give you 1/4 of 75mcg, the patch is designed to give 75mcg per hour for, what, 72hours? That means there is AT LEAST 5400mcgs, which equals 5.4mg's in a patch, usually there is more in it to keep the delivery constant towards the end of the life of the patch, so we'll say there is 6mg's in the whole patch, 1/4 of that = 1.5mgs of fentanyl, more than enough to kill an opiate naive person

If you really must use it, and I suspect nothing said will stop you, HAVE SOMEONE WITH YOU.

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Nice add-on, to further emphasize the risks involved.
Clafifying misinformation earlier in the thread.

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Old 23-07-2010, 18:37
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

SWIM just wanted to say, thanks fuck for DF and thank fuck OP decided to ask before sticking a 1/4 patch in his mouth.

DF just saved SWIYs life dude. Think about donating
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Old 23-07-2010, 19:28
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

well what fraction should swim chew on? 1/10? 1/16? how many grams of fentanyl is in a 75mcg patch? i read that 75mcg of fent ~ 150mgs of morphiine. so i could probably do some math and find out what fraction swim needs to not DIE. right?

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Old 23-07-2010, 19:45
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

The patch is designed specifically to deliver a specific amount of fentanyl over a 72 hour (3 day) period. Now tamper with the patch, rip or cut it, and that could easily interfere with the way (and the amount) of the drug that the patch delivers.

An opiate tolerant person may have a small margin for error but an opiate naive person will have none. So again, I'd suggest trying a less potent drug first time. The point of using any drug recreationally is to enjoy it, you can't do that if you're dead, can you?

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Old 23-07-2010, 20:34
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

it wont be first time. swim has expirences with hydrocodone, oxycontin, suboxone, methadone, and morphine. just not very recent. i kno ur tryin to help and thanks but swim is gonna try it and he needs help on doing it without dying.
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Old 23-07-2010, 21:01
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Then he needs to build up an opiate tolerance. Having taking some opiates in the recent past does not mean your dodo has an opiate tolerance.

You really are not getting quite how hardcore fentanyl is. Fentanyl will not even be considered for opiate therapy unless the patient is titrated to & tolerating the equivalent of 60mg of morphine daily for at least a week (from Duragesic.com, patient information leaflet). The starting patch is 25 mcg, meaning it delivers 25 mcg/hour over 72 hours. The dose your dodo intends to take is 3 times that dose. You are also assuming that the active ingredient is evenly distributed throughout the patch, & that by chewing a portion of it your dodo will be able to gain a particular dose without doing any research beyond asking a question on an interweb forum. This is beyond daft & very much into the realms of an accident waiting to happen.

The only way he can guarantee not dying from this experiment is to have a sitter with him who is prepared to either call the emergency services or give him a shot of naloxone when he starts turning blue.

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Old 23-07-2010, 22:33
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Please listen to these people, they know what they are talking about.

You will NOT be able to precisely measure out an appropriate dose using a patch, as has been stated above.

If you can get fentanyl I'm sure you wont have a problem getting oxy or something similar, so please consider that first.

it was a good choice that you came here for advice, i just hope that you take it.

good luck...
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

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Please listen to these people, they know what they are talking about.

You will NOT be able to precisely measure out an appropriate dose using a patch, as has been stated above.

If you can get fentanyl I'm sure you wont have a problem getting oxy or something similar, so please consider that first.

it was a good choice that you came here for advice, i just hope that you take it.

good luck...
swim was actually gonna get the fent because of no other opiate source
but you are all right and im not gonna take it
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Old 24-07-2010, 06:16
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

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swim was actually gonna get the fent because of no other opiate source
but you are all right and im not gonna take it
You don't know how pleased it makes Sparkles to hear this. Something else will come along, and SWIM will be around to remember how much they enjoyed it. Is there no way to find something to get buzzed from on the net? No not mentioning any sources, just saying that if there's access to the net, there's access to substances, think about it?

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Old 12-08-2010, 18:39
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Swim knows swiy has already decided not to do it, but swim still wants to put in his .02 cents. Swim had the 75 mcg patches and they are NOT WORTH IT. Swim had little to no opioid tolerance when he tried them and he cut them up into 16ths and tried them. They were shit. You get little euphoria from them. Its like taking an opiate with double the depressant effects and 1/4 the euphoria. Not very fun at all. And this small unsatisfying euphoria makes swim want to redose until its stronger. Twice swim almost overdosed when redosing. One time he did 1/4 of the whole patch in all within 30 minutes on the way to a football game and his breathing was extremely slowed and his body started tingling as if it were not getting enough oxygen throughout. It was a very very scary experience and swim has sworn never to take fentanyl ever since. Its a pure evil and mostly useless drug. And swim has an extremely large supply all for free, but he cannot delve into it ever again, its way too dangerous.
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Old 12-08-2010, 21:54
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

1st time swim tried Fentanyl they were aware of how potent it was,so they dissolved the gel contents of the 75mcg patch in 10ml of alcohol,then tried 1ml of the solution.They soon realized they were going to lose consciousness,so forced themself to be sick,(didn't what to choke whilst out )& layed down in the recovery position.
Its crazy strong to those who are opiate intolerant,seriously,take it easy.
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Old 13-08-2010, 16:50
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Just a reminder:

A 75mcg patch releases 75mcg per hour.

An entire 75mcg patch contains almost 6mg of Fentanyl. Let's repeat that.

A 75MCG PATCH CONTAINS ALMOST 6MG OF FENTANYL!!

So, the poster above ended up dissolving 6mg of Fentanyl into mL, *NOT* 75mcg into 10mL!

The poster above got damn lucky s/he didn't die.

Anyway, I implore everyone to remember that fact.

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This has already been mentioned, but the bold text adds emphasis to a much needed clarification of some confusion here.
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Old 13-08-2010, 23:44
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Thats swims point,they genuinely believed 0.6mg to be ok based on information they found. that being:
Fentanyl is 100 x morphine strength,
hence diluted the 6mg total content patch in 10ml solution
So 1ml contained 0.6mg Fentanyl ,
& would have similar effect as 60mg morphine.(I actually thought it a bit low ,base on morphine use orally in past,& fentanyl's low bio availibility orally)
They took the dose they aimed at,based on as reliable information they could get.
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Old 14-08-2010, 15:48
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

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Thats swims point,they genuinely believed 0.6mg to be ok based on information they found. that being:
Fentanyl is 100 x morphine strength,
hence diluted the 6mg total content patch in 10ml solution
So 1ml contained 0.6mg Fentanyl ,
& would have similar effect as 60mg morphine.(I actually thought it a bit low ,base on morphine use orally in past,& fentanyl's low bio availibility orally)
They took the dose they aimed at,based on as reliable information they could get.
And that is the very reason no one can safely give someone information on what dose of Fentanyl to IV!

BTW, my post wasn't directed at you, just using info from your post as an example. Too many people seem to think that a 75mcg patch means it contains 75mcg total. So I thought I'd bold that information.

But yeah, in addition to being so much stronger, it has less euphoria and a higher rate of respiratory depression, dose for dose. It's *really* not a drug people should be IVing outside of a doctor's setting. No one's perfect...Girlie's done it, but she says she had no idea one could smoke it. Or that when one's smoking/vapourising it, they may not see any smoke/vapour at all, but still be getting the active ingredient into their lungs.


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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

I realize this post is kinda old and you may have already done your thing with that patch... Even so I wanted to tell you my pet chimp has experience with this thing and he says the best way to go about doing it is by smoking it (at least if the patch you have has a reservoir).

You will be using a modified "chasing the dragon" technique, so have some tinfoil and a tooter on hand. Prick a tiny hole in a corner of the patch, careful not to prick all the way through because that complicates things. Squeeze a little drop onto the tinfoil. Be sure to start small because this shit is potent. Then, spark up, inhaling simultaneously. Unlike pills or heroin, you won't actually have to chase anything. The gel will sizzle and what-not but there will be no smoke. Just fumes. Inhale deep and hold it in. You know you have a hit when you exhale because you will be able to taste it.

This method is safer than just eating it because you have more control of slowly working your dose up. Fentanyl is probably one of the most addictive things my pet chimp has ever tried, and he does not recommend using it recreationally. My chimp lost a lot of weight and all ambition while using this crap.

P.S. When you're done smoking it, you can chew on the left over plastic for about 15 mins to a half an hour and get decently loaded off of it. If you start to nod while chewing on it, TAKE IT OUT. Again, this is dangerous and addictive. I don't recommend it but if you choose to use, be careful.

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Old 15-08-2010, 17:17
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Swims used to use adsorb the gel into tobacco,
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

So, fentanyl doesn't like to go into water very easily. Believe me I know this because I would measure out like 50 mg and try to get it to go into a set volume of water (usually 50 mL for simple math) and it was a bitch. Shaking that sealed vile of water was not ever gonna do it! The only way to reliably get fentanyl to go into water is by immersing your vial in an ultrasonic bath for about half an hour. Ultrasound works magic.

Your other option is to use propylene glycol instead of dH2O for your solvet. Propylene glycol is safe to consume and does a very good job of dissolving things that don't wanna go into solution (like phenazepam).

No matter what, always remember what your total theoretical mass is and divide that by your volume of solvent used so that you know the strength of your solution. I used to do 1 mg per ml and squirt a ml of solution up my nose from a syringe (no needle). Fentanyl sucks though cuz it's so short lasting. Much better to find an analogue that lasts more than an hour.... And yes, I know I had a tolerance, but when you have 6 grams of fentanyl laying around it is very easy to do 20 or 30 mg's a day!
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

That's a facinating story Dope Amine.

But I'm curious.

1 mg/ml?...and why would you want fentanyl suspended in water?

Fentanyl for IV is fentanyl citrate which is water soluble. It only works if the pH is right.

Is Dopa Amine's friend shooting or just nasal/oral?

I can't question a huge tolerance but what I go away with is these are
deadly doses even with the large margin of safety.

Perhaps if suspended in water as the free base it's just mostly wasted.
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Old 16-09-2010, 21:30
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

There's some mistakes here. Although a fentanyl patch is to be used for 48-72 hours, depending on the doctor's instructions, a fentanyl patch actually contains 100 hours of medication to account for inefficiency once the amount contained in the patch has gotten below a certain point along with various environmental and metabolic changes that can increase the rate of absorption. After the patch has been warn for 48-72 hours the rate of absorption decreases but there's still fentanyl in the patch. In a 75mcg/hour patch there's 7.5 mg of fentanyl base.

Also, fentanyl is not 100 times stronger than morphine. Transdermal fentanyl which is considered to be as efficient as a parenteral route, is about 100X stronger than ORAL morphine which is the least efficient route of taking morphine. A more accurate description would be 1mg of fentanyl either by patch or injection spread out over 24 hours is equal to 20mg of methadone spread out over 24 hours and about 30mg of IV morphine spread out over 24 hours. Of course this will vary from person to person, but that's the general conversion.
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Old 16-09-2010, 21:41
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

This is the site (Health Canada) I used when converting my fentanyl dose in the beginning. It has all of the usual opiates and their conversion from oral, IM and IV ROA. Hope it helps?

http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/dhp-mps/medef...s-eng.php#tphp

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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Wow, they only suggest about a 15:1 conversion of parenteral morphine to fentanyl and a 45:1 for oral morphine to fentanyl.
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Re: best way to use fentanyl w/o OD

Youll probably get sick using any amount of fentanyl, but if you must! Cut a piece about a quarter the size of a cm2 stick it in your cheek

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