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Old 22-07-2010, 01:56
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Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

Script swim had last month was Sandoz non gel and would wear them for 50-72 hours and chew them and the onset would happen within 15-20 minutes as if SWIM had taken 100mg of oxycodone - pretty crazy heh and swims current status is tollerence where swim can take 50mg of oxycodone and not even feel a high which kinda sucks, takes care of pain but no itching and euphoria, enjoys the treat every 3 day's when the patch comes off, usually chews half the patch for the first 6 hours and chews the second half later which works best.

Question is, now swim picked up new script and they were watson brand, pretty large gel patch, lots of gel, oh btw these are 50mcg/h so can you chew these as well, really you cant chew it, what do you do just squeeze out the gel and keep it in my mouth, under the tongue and gums. Swim doesn't want to try smoking the gel cause i read and read and tried countless times in the past and never got a high like chewing the non gel patch, saying never tried chewing a gel patch. I am looking for a good euphoria high with duration. SWIM even use to try to put the gel into a small nasal setup and didn't work the way swim hopes.

so anyone chew gel and the same effects just like the non gel.

miws added 245 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...

Well, SWIM hates gel as for the 3 day ending period where it is to be pleasant enjoying the last remaining amount before swim puts the next one on for 3 days, works well for pain while it is on and does not need to take the break through medication norco while on it which is nice since I can save more but as SWIM tries the gel but eating it, not the same at all compared to the non gel ones. other swimmers say they seek out the gel ones but swim wishes he had recieved the non gel unless swimmers can help help swim tell swim about a better way to use the remaining gel... while swim lays down and chills and watches some movie, tv... gets a nodding out feeling but not the crazy itchiness euphoria like non gel, swim has tried smoking route with the gel and has read so many ways and feels like swim does it right but seems not to work, even said eff this and used huge blob 5 bb size blob and its blah, whatever. not burning it or anything so in 3 days will be experimentation again so whats up, thought the non gel was the ones that prevent abuse and gel ones had much more potential for different routes of administration so swim hopes to hear some experiences. As for wearing it, seems to kick in faster then non gel and works better and what else is odd is on the package for the watson 50mcg says 5mg worth while the sandoz non gel said 8.4mg of fent so why is this.

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Old 24-07-2010, 22:27
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

so whats up, nobody knows the best way with the gel like SWIM wanted to know..

SWIM knows that chewing on a non gel gets SWIM very nice and high

SWUN knows and tried letting the gel soak around in his mouth for a good 30 minutes, under the tongue and gums and didn't seem to kick in like the the non gel, SWIM is back at 3 day mark again and intends pulling the patch off which will contain a nice amount of gel in it but would like to know what to do, even if smoking it did work, how long is the duration of smoking the gel, like is it worth it cause chewing a non gel would have swim nice and high for a goo 6 hours to the rest of the day and wants to know what swimmers do with a gel left in the patch at the 50 hour mark.

miws added 21 Minutes and 31 Seconds later...

SWIM could wear the patch till tommorow to finish off the full 72 hours but would rather experiment again, since even if does fail, at least swim does not feel dope sick and will just put the next patch on tomorrow but wants to give it another go.

SWIM understands you must have tolerance, have been taking opiates daily now for half a year now very steady, SWIM even tried taking 6 norcos once at one time with a empty stomach and couldn't believe SWIM didn't feel even a onset, pain was gone but didn't feel much of anything so SWIM currently can go without any norco while while wearing the patch, it does feel the gap and intends to try to bring the tolerance down a bit since swim feels like he waste the medication now trying to take larger doses and just takes 1 - 2 norcos a day just to feel the gap and bring down the tolerance and will try to save them and maybe do a larger dose in the future but SWIM wants to know what to do with the fent gel when removes the patch today, there will be about at least 20 bb size amounts of gel and like swim expressed above on the first post, SWIM even put large blobs on and tried it but didn't get anywhere impressive, so swim thinks not even waste any trying to smoke it and just put some pin size holes in the patch and chew on it so it all the gel doesn't just get mixed up with a lot of saliva and ends up swallowing it to early while chewing it with small holes in it will release it in my mouth slower and maybe that will help.

miws added 45 Minutes and 13 Seconds later...

SWIM scanned the database here on DF, SWIM feels that what might be best is to not put pins in and leave it under the tongue, so far this is what SWIM found to be the best administration for this drug. Any care to elaborate on this, SWIM will report the experience and observe SWIM and report back and explain how SWIM felt, SWIM feels that putting it under the tongue in tact, after 30 minutes swim will put pin holes and and also put it under the toungue to follow the experiment.

This is what SWIM found to be the best information on admin with a watson gel patch.

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Old 27-07-2010, 21:31
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

SWIM does not understand, SWIM understands it is not one of the most popular but SWIM is trying to get a answer to above question. SWIM is coming up to 3 day mark which would be today in 2-3 hours from now, SWIM is thinking about just leaving it on until SWIM feels like it is not working anymore cause SWIM needs to know some experience from others, SWIM is talking about the watson gel patch 50mcg/h.

SWIM also takes a medication for breakthrough pain which is pure oxycodone that is in a liquid that comes with a oral syringe, 20mg in one shot, and SWIM will take this plus a couple norcos while loading up another 10mg shot and drip the liquid into the nose which actually has a wonderful burn and will lay on his back and the med has kicked in at peak in about 5-8 minutes.

AS SWIM noted above about the first two attemps with the used fent patches that still had gel were considered both failed attempts, so SWIM at one point put the gel into a nasal spray which was a very small one which worked perfect, like 1-2ml for the container for the nasal spray and would use it and feel the strong mist spray and taste of it but didn't get any good feeling buzz.

Instead of going through the trouble of doing that again, SWIM is thinking about just using the syringe that came with the oxycodone and load all the gel into it and slowly release it into my nose, since the nose does not build up saliva like in your mouth and what do you think of this idea. SWIM intends on trying this if others want to input SWIM, but SWIM will try and report back on some more experience reports, at least if nobody replies, other SWIMS can read about how SWIMS experience has been with the Watson fent gel packs.
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Old 04-08-2010, 19:02
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

Not worth giving a experience report why cause it was useless .

Failed | Failed | Failed

Still open, SWIM will repeat and ask if anyone has had Watson Gel filled 50mcg/h used 3 days and taken off and has a lot of gel still in, meaning about 20 bb size BLOBS.

SWIM has given up on all methods, last time SWIM just Dripped all of the gel all 20 bbsize blobs in one big BLOB and dripped into the nose since SWIM didn't want to waste time while making a nasal sprayer. SWIM has tried smoking it, smoke size of a tums with enough sizzling going on you think SWIM would feel something, wrong - nothing impressive at least. so what is swim doing wrong.
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Old 04-08-2010, 19:07
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

Sparkles has heard that people let the gel drop onto foil and then smoke it when the gel has dried. But this way is very dangerous. SWIY must just take it one puff at a time and see how he feels. Please, don't attempt to smoke the whole blob in one go, ok?

This is just what Sparkles has heard others do, please, take it very easy, fentanyl is a very potent opiate.

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Old 04-08-2010, 19:56
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

So SWIM has to let it dry, very interesting. SWIM was about to waste a rather large blob putting it on the gums and cheek so now SWIM is going to let the the gel dry on the foil, shiny side up and starting now, new experience report in the go!

SWIM has put a decent size bb size blob on the foil, smeared in circular motion has made it a decent small round circle and not to thin and not to thick, like my scientific writeup, FUCK, it is BS.

now to let it dry - Desk is located in front of my window, so has placed it on the window ledge, I live in area in the country where it is 70-75 degrees and so not hot and no direct heat, I am going to lunch so I will be back in 45 minutes so I am sure this will be enough time instead of rushing and OMG WTF DO TO< SHOULD SWIM SMOKE THIS NOW Well swim here has will power and really wants to know if having it dry will work? SWIM is not being cautious again and SWIM believes this might be just the trick.
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Old 04-08-2010, 20:01
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

Sparkles heard that placing the foil in a dry space such as the inside of a wardrobe on a shelf, and letting it dry naturally. Just wanna explain Sparkles knows DF is all about harm minimisation, but as SWIY is already determined to use this substance, she feels information about it's use is the safest way forward.

Just wanna repeat, when dry use a tiny, tiny blob to begin with, see how that works, ok. Then he can always use a little more the next time if needed.

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Old 04-08-2010, 20:35
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

here is some more info about using fentanyl patches in ways other than the manufacturer designed them to be used. swim personally has some experience, not smoking, but holding the fentanyl between the gum and the cheek. swiy could also look into fentanyl suckers.

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ntanyl+patches

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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

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So SWIM has to let it dry, very interesting. SWIM was about to waste a rather large blob putting it on the gums and cheek so now SWIM is going to let the the gel dry on the foil, shiny side up and starting now, new experience report in the go!

SWIM has put a decent size bb size blob on the foil, smeared in circular motion has made it a decent small round circle and not to thin and not to thick, like my scientific writeup, FUCK, it is BS.

now to let it dry - Desk is located in front of my window, so has placed it on the window ledge, I live in area in the country where it is 70-75 degrees and so not hot and no direct heat, I am going to lunch so I will be back in 45 minutes so I am sure this will be enough time instead of rushing and OMG WTF DO TO< SHOULD SWIM SMOKE THIS NOW Well swim here has will power and really wants to know if having it dry will work? SWIM is not being cautious again and SWIM believes this might be just the trick.
SWIM has made it and didn't go off and loose control like a crazy lunatic and just lose his GOD DAMN FUCKING MIND, well now that this bullshit scientific method has began and the substance was in the shade with a probe on the foil reading 71.5 degrees and touching it does rub any off so SWIM will now start

T-0.00 SWIM is Going to the bathroom to hold foil with a bic pen over it while using the mirror in the bathroom to measure and to pin point where to place the flame while also watching where SWIM has the bic pen tube over the foil.

Sorry SWIM is not going to T- anymore because simply his head feels a very mild feeling but nothing euphoric in that matter and the main issue, SWIM is still in pain which at the very least the pain would go away. SWIM is thinking about just saying EFF This, SWIM only has so much left to make it to his PM APPT, SWIM Feels he will be able to come across some thing but needs the feeling now, FUCK, now SWIM has lost his will power and is seeking a high so SWIM has here liquid oxycodone but only 75mg left damn, 10 norcos left, 100mg of hydrocodone, and doesn't see his PM doctor until monday, hmm bullshit but feels like playing dice and going to get some more to the day comes swim will be so what to do.

This is the question -

The problem is I just had lunch 1 hour ago, panda express so hopefully in 4 hours in time it will be like a empty stomach, correct? no, yes, kinda of important here since can't be wasting meds.

SWIM also took a massive dump at 10:00, a massive dump did I say, so SWIM could try to plug the meds, SWIM has never tried plugging oxycodone and oxycodone in LIQUID form, and crush up a couple norcos to throw into the mix, witch should give swim a decent high, pain will be gone for sure but swim will feel good, not like you non tolerant bastards, but good. so Should SWIM go for plugging 40mg oxycodone allready in liquid form, plus 20mg norco hydrocodone crushed form, which is only 60mg and swim is wearing a 50mcg/h patch which i apply heat to. worth plugging it up.
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

The gel patches by par you need to keep it under your tongue and you will nod out.
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

it would be nice to know what mcg/h you were taking rather than just saying "the patch"

Break_Sanctuary added 7 Minutes and 14 Seconds later...

why can't anyone answer this question straight up anywhere on the internet? How much non gel sandoz patch to start chewing for first time? Everytime someone asks this question it ends up people talking about smoking it or some other crap..... WE WANT TO KNOW ABOUT CHEWING IT AND DOSAGES TO START WITH!!!!!

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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

I have used the non-gel plastic matrix patches a few times. They were 100mcg/hr 72hour patches. I would cut it into ten strips, then cut one of those in half(so 1/20th size) and use it like a buccal(between the gums and cheek). They would kick in nicely in 15-20mins and last for like 8-10 hours. Extreme eurphoria, and one tenth piece would last me for like two days(not using at night).

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Old 05-06-2014, 21:50
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

I don't understand why chewing on UNUSED 75mcg non gel ratiopharm latches does absolutely nothing for my pet hampster. Zero effect. Doesn't matter how big the piece is,
Truly disappointing.
He needs pain relief so badly.
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Old 15-06-2014, 22:11
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Re: Fentanyl Sandoz non gel / Watson gel (chewing question)

Define chewing.

My buddy Fred has been known to take a matrix patch, fold in half the long way with the sticky side out and tuck between his upper gum and cheek. If he bushes his teeth/gums before hand and dried the area with a paper towel, he tends to get maximum pain relief. Onset takes roughly ten minutes and lasts roughly an hour.

Remember fentanyl does not always give a euphoria but it does slow down the CNS without you feeling it. It's a very easy way to wakeup dead.

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