A) Was written in the first person - Self-Incrimination.
B) Was an awful story.
C) This thread now works incredibly well as an example of the need *not* to ingest GBL and, as a bonus, informs people of the dangers of misusing ethanol with, pretty much everything.
Last edited by MrG; 21-11-2008 at 08:14.
Reason: Changing the nature of the thread from that of a, supposedly, "heroic" night on coke,ethanol,GBL, into a cautionary thread!
SWIM doesn't like to use it as a sleep aid as he just wakes up 3-4 hours later.
How long does a GBL hangover last? SWIM's head feels all stuffed up and his body is in pain. The stuffy head feeling is the worst how can he make it go away!! Its probably just a mixture of all the drink, coke, gbl and dancing that took place on friday night/sat morning.
He felt so good as well on friday, its always the same with him, by friday he'll be on top of the world again, hehe!
Hmmm maybe SWIM might make his GBL into GHB for his health, he has never had a hangover from GHB. In fact GHB is better for sleep and doesn't mess you up as much. Damn if only I was SWIM
Last edited by MrG; 21-11-2008 at 08:15.
Reason: Self-incrimination, spelling, grammar.
Well on friday night it was my mates 21st so we went out to clubs on a coke and drink binge. After the club we headed back to my house for
more drinks and lines and sat up all night waiting for my delivery of gbl. It must have come about 10am so me and my mate took 1.5ml each
Dude! Drinking + GBL == The Lose!
Had any more pleasent experiences when you haven't been trollied since?
(I know you might not have 'felt' that trollied as often coke tends to
sober people up, but drinking all night and through till when the posty
turns up, and then GBL is not cool!)
SWIM find that the best way to take gbl is just to put it in some "000" size gelatin capsules . The gbl stays in them for ages and you don't get any of the nasty taste, allegedly.
Why is gbl more toxic than ghb? SWIM has always found it a clean buzz himself. I haven't researched this before because erowid doesn't have much info on this, so i would appreciate a reply.
Estel
Last edited by MrG; 21-11-2008 at 08:09.
Reason: Self-incrimination, spelling, grammar.
GBL is not toxic(it isnt toxic at all) like other things but its much much harder for your stomach and liver than GHB. So better convert it although it tastes like hell - so damned salty that you maybe regurgitate a little
What the hell? Taking any drug could be dumb a dangerous. Nothing wrong with mixing drugs man.
oggy- you're right, there's nothing wrong with mixing many drugs. however you do need to do some research. mixing cocaine and alcohol is TOXIC. it will cause your liver to make a substance called cocaethylene, which will stay in your body for several days and causes considerable damage to your cardiovascular system and liver. and the reason GHB and GBL and 14B is no longer accepted even at illegal raves, where other drugs are accepted, is because stupid people mix it with alcohol and slip into coma/death.
Wait, I'm gonna be a dick and elaborate a bit more, and say you're not right at all. 'taking any drug could be dumb and dangerous' is simply not true. there are MANY drugs thta if done properly are 100% safe and not dumb at all. :P for example, marijuana, cocaine in moderation, mdma in moderation, lsd if not combined with other things, mushrooms if not on MAOIs, and the list goes on and on. The dumb and dangerous part is mixing large ammounts of alcohol with cocaine, which is horrible for you, and then while the alcohol is still in your system taking some GHB ... which is what caused GHB to be known as a 'date rape drug' and could cause death.
In the future you will have a much better time with these substances seperately, I assure you of that.
Pink is absolutelty right. GHB and alcohol are both cns depressants and mixing the two will cause shallow breathing followed by coma. The most lethal combination however would be GHB and xanax as the two most potent depressants have taken the lives of more than one of swims acquintances.
Consider the fact that the right dosage of G can put you unconscience within minutes. Mixing that with any other depressant is foolish to say the least.
Wow swim never new that about cocaine. Thanks for the info. Swim doesn't like coke then as he can't take it on its own he needs a drink to put him in the right mood and to take the paranoia away. Swim really has to have a drink before taking most drugs as it gives him the confidence to take them.
Is GHB and coke ok to mix? GHB has an alcohol effect so could he use that before he has some coke?
Dont be a knob end. TAKING ANY DRUGS IS STUPID!! Oh lets all be sensible and take one little toke or pint at one time, oh no sorry can't I've had a coffee today.
Me thinks a few of these geniuses will continue to roll the dice no matter how clear the evidence is that mixing GHB and cousins is tantamount to playing Russian Roulette with a semi-automatic pistol. I guess they can take it up with Darwin himself soon enough.
Oggy, I recall a thread where someone thought you were self destructive. It has become appearent that you are not self destructive, you are just either to drugged up, or to fucking stupid. Combining different drugs can be rewarding, as long as you avoid the combinations that can be deadly. For the most part, its common sense. GHB and related substances, such as GBL, should not be mixed with alcohol. Sure, people do it and nothing happens, but many of those people do it again and again. Eventually, people get burned.
By all means, continue with your combos, but don't bash people for making a good point. Some combinations are excessively risky, and should be avoided, no matter what you may think. And taking drugs is not necessarily stupid. If someone is on IV drip morphine after being hit by a car, are they stupid??? Is someone stupid for having a drink at a bar? Obviously you must not think highly of yourself, because here you are taking drugs. Your manner of taking drugs is quite stupid though, obviously you fail to evaluate the pros and cons of your actions.
It's your body, do what you want, but please write a trip report when you end up in a hospital.
sorry to bump this old thread, swim had no idea mixing coke with alcohol was excessively toxic and thinks this should be more prominent. taking coke with alcohol is extremely common and swim has never, ever heard that before. swim did that for years. swim may have done it anyway but it would have been nice to know.
I'll see about getting a sticky done for the cocaine forum.
If you do a search on cocaethylene here you'll see all you need to know about it. SWIM had the same response when he first read it and, once he swapped the ethanol for GHB *all* his coke fiending stopped and the "morning after's" felt soooooo much better. Then, get this, he ended up going off coke completely!
But this is no surprise, there is well documented evidence of GHB's mode of action helping with many addiction issues.
Oh, wait a minute, sorry. GHB is the devil's water right? It's the date rape drug that, strangely, if used in the quantities needed to make someone unresponsive to an assault, it is likely to kill them. As it did when used by people who had been told that it was *the* perfect date-rape drug. Who told these people this information? Oh yes, them.
Now, I thought I knew about GHB but it would seem our multi-national brewery conglomerates, erm, I mean governments, know better. Silly me. Good job they set about banning that evil marijuana during the 20th century too. Wonder why? No, I don't need to worry, they'll do the worrying for me.
To paraphrase Bill:
"Go back to bed people, there is nothing to be concerned about, we have figured it all out. Go back to bed people, here, have gallons of ethanol to poison your bodies with, here, talk heroically about *just* how bad you feel the next morning as your body desperately tries to cope with the toxic after-effects. Go back to bed people, we've banned that evil GHB for *you*, a date-rape drug that, whilst reams and reams of independent research exists proving ethanol to be *the* date-rape drug and that GHB is entirely unsuitable given that people can still be roused from a pharmacological dose meaning that evil-druggy-rapist(tm) would need to use an amount likely to kill their victim, thus demonstrating its entire unsuitability as a drug for the purposes of sexual-assault, we'll still say that GHB is the bad molecule.
Go back to bed people, we have decided for you.
Keep repeating after me:
You are free, to do as we tell you!
You are free, to do as we tell you!
You are free, to do as we tell you! . . . ."
Not really , more like a mix of mdma and drink or some other depressent drug or at least thats how swim experiences it. He finds gbl more buzzy and euphoric but does'nt indulge very often!
kimotag added 7 Minutes and 2 Seconds later...
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Originally Posted by ironchemist
Pink is absolutelty right. GHB and alcohol are both cns depressants and mixing the two will cause shallow breathing followed by coma. The most lethal combination however would be GHB and xanax as the two most potent depressants have taken the lives of more than one of swims acquintances.
Consider the fact that the right dosage of G can put you unconscience within minutes. Mixing that with any other depressant is foolish to say the least.
I agree with this and other posts. Most of us know those who have taken just that bit more G and have fallen asleep. mix that with alchohol and you are getting into dangerous territory. Perhaps some people need a scare or two before wising up. Waking up in a strange place with several hours missing having pissed/shat yourself should do it for most people who want to keep dancing on the edge!
Last edited by kimotag; 25-11-2008 at 19:00.
Reason: Automerged Doublepost
swim thinks swim can safely say that they will never take gbl again. swim took just under 3mls and was pretty much find some of swims friends wanted to try some so swim gave them 3ml each. half an hour later one guy was loving it but talking utter rubbish, another guy was in and out of consiousness another person was passed out and the worst person was having a fitt and throwing up everywhere and was passed out too for a very long time took them to hospital where they eveutally woke up and recovered. these people were tired at the time of taking the gbl and swim wasnt and swim was fine. any other ideas what could have caused it other than tiredness????
3ml of GBL is an *extremely* heavy recreational dose for most people and can often result in nausea and vomiting due to the nature of the heavy intoxication and the fact that GBL is a mucous membrane irritant.
As for why different people reacted in different ways, well that could be down to a number of factors, what they had recently eaten. What other drugs may have been in their system and their general physical state.
Let's not forget that the in-vivo (inside the body) conversion rate of GBL to GHB is dependent on the individual's metabolism and lactonase enzymes.
It is not recommended for anybody to take GBL but, for those that insist on it, a dose no bigger than 1.5ml should be taken with a large glass of cold water, preferably not on an empty stomach.
If, after 40mins, further dosing is wanted, then redoses should *not* exceed 1.5ml either.
As always, *never* take GBL whilst drunk or drinking alcohol.
Yuck, GBL is the worst drug ever, its such a dirty high. Shame you deleted the post, it would have made a good example of what not to do of oggy's so called heroic night.
GBL was just the beginning of SWIoggy's adventure of self destruction on downers. In the order of GBL, dihydrocodeine, benzodiazepines, morphine, oxycodone and then finally heroin.
If you insist on taking GBL then make it into GHB, its a lot safer and a cleaner high. But my honest advice would be to stay away altogether as for SWIM GBL/GHB just tempted him to try more downers after reading the amazing reports from other members in the drug combinations thread and he ended up becoming a heroin addict.
Sad to hear of swiy's problems. You are right, the original post would serve as a warning to others who may be on the same slippery slope. Hope swiy is on the road to recovery.
Thank you kimotag. SWIM is 8 and a 1/2 weeks clean now and he is still rehabilitating his life. If SWIM could go back in time he would tell himself to stay well away from ALL downers, he was more sensible when he only took coke, speed and ecstasy at the weekends and occasionally shrooms and LSD. He never got himself in any trouble back then and he had a lot to live for, it was when he hit the downers his life fell apart.
