Recipe For Ego-loss?

[korky8097]

hey guys, I have seen numerous threads about what is the most like this
compound, what is most visual, what has the most stunning visuals, ect.
but i have yet to see one about an RC for a true mystical
experience. You know, ego loss, astral projection (OBE), depth,
you know. Perferably minimal sides because few people can have a
good trip when shitting like a cannon or puking or gigantic body
loads. If there is no RC readily available, then i think i might
just go for 2c-i and work on the relationship aspects of life and to
have a hella good time. I am looking to improve life and my
outlook of it and the people around me as you can see, not just cool
visuals. Oh and by the way, dose ranges from 10mg-40 or so are
perfered just because i can see myself fucking up with a very small
dosed RC. Thanks

[GDxCAT]

DPT tends to give me mystical type trips everytime iv tried it.



I think tryptamines are more likely to give you that type of trip than the PEA's.

[moeBius]

I think tryptamines are more likely to give you that type of trip than the PEA's.

ack.

although there are many pea's with strong psychedelic actions
(mescaline, tma-2, many of the 2c's...) none of the ones i tasted
created such a unique mystical experience as i had with lsd or
psychedelic tryptamines. I'd suggest a 4ho or non ring substituted
tryptamine because most of the 5meo ones tend to produce much bodyload
and a less deeper trip.

[mariecurie]

I second moeBius on this one. Phenethylamines are worthless substances
that just make you trip out and see soupy visuals. Maybe mescaline is
separate from this, but 2C-anything, 2C-T-anything = BLEEHHHHH



5-MeO tryptamines indeed make me feel like shit. I have no desire to try any of them again.



Haven't tried DPT, although supposedly it's quite good.



4-HO-MiPT is the best research chemical in my opinion. A nice
intermediate length, zero bodyload even at three times the dose you'd
ever do, extremely spiritual/mystical, lends itself to ++++
experiences, very natural feeling, incredible visuals, and extremely
immersive.

[Solidly-here]

A Mystical Experience occurs when you least expect it.


Some (very) lucky people slam right into a powerful Mystical Experience on their first journey. Right on, guys.


The rest of us (like me, for instance), have little insights. One trip, a relationship question or 2 clears up. One trip, I Let Go of some of my attachment to something (good, less things to worry about).


I have been lucky (enough) in my Spiritual Path. I keep finding new ways to see my life as working out OK. I have developed a habit: Keep looking for a little improvement. This leaves me poised, to make that BIG jump some day.


If that day never comes, I am happy with my progress. I hope that I will keep gently prodding myself along for the rest of this existence (with small vacations, from time-to-time). At some point during each vacation, I realize that progress can come (again). Then, I try ... I try some more ... Wow! Now I am making some more progress. My Spiritual Path opens up again. Life moves along well for another while. Boy, I am lucky.

[korky8097]

same happends for me, every trip i gain a little bit of insight.

[paradies]

Originally Posted by mariecurie

I second moeBius on this one. Phenethylamines are worthless substances that just make you trip out and see soupy visuals. Maybe mescaline is separate from this, but 2C-anything, 2C-T-anything = BLEEHHHHH

5-MeO tryptamines indeed make me feel like shit. I have no desire to try any of them again.

Haven't tried DPT, although supposedly it's quite good.

4-HO-MiPT is the best research chemical in my opinion. A nice intermediate length, zero bodyload even at three times the dose you'd ever do, extremely spiritual/mystical, lends itself to ++++ experiences, very natural feeling, incredible visuals, and extremely immersive.

I do agree that tryptamines give you the best trips. 4-HO-MiPT is awesome. But I do like PEA's because I don't always want to have the trip of a tryptamine. For me, I can always get some worthwhile insight on PEA's by truly shutting my mind off and receiving. It might not be the ego-dissolving trip of tryptamines or LSD, but worthwhile for me non the less.


Hey, for a quick and intense trip of short duration, do Lady Salvia. That is such a wonderful substance.

[anj0vis]

5-meo-dmt is certainly mystical every time, but might be a bit short and too intense for this purpose.

I'd say, any decent psychedelic will give you what you wish if you just have good set and setting. For mystical and insightful experience, I'd find a quiet, remote location (a cottage in deep forest or similar), perhaps a like-minded sitter and take 2 or 3 days for the experience. If you have 3 days to spare, rest and plan the trip for the first day. Second day ingest the preferred chemical as soon as you wake up, spend a day contemplating, meditating or walking in the forest. On third day think over what you saw and rest.

I forgot to give the actual suggestions for possible chemicals: lsd, psilocybin mushrooms, miprocin, 2c-e, 5-meo-mipt, iprocin, 2c-i, 2c-b.. the mind is the key.Edited by: anj0vis

[Solidly-here]

If you've got the time, the journey is better.


I agree with anj0vis: "If you have 3 days to spare, rest and plan the trip for the first day. Second day ingest the preferred chemical as soon as you wake up, spend a day contemplating, meditating or walking in the forest. On third day think over what you saw and rest."


Although I had never quite thought of it that way, this is what I do. The day before a journey, I think (often) that a few hours from now I will be in a special state-of-mind. I spend time, telling myself that I am lucky. It brings a happiness to my Pre-day.


On THE day, as I wake up, I smile. Today's the day. I ponder what I would like to do. I write-out things to think about for the day. I write some encouraging words (for instance, last week: "Happy here. Then here, and here." and "I am fine. It's OK today." and "One fun thing at a time."). After I finish my writing (within 45 minutes of rising), then I begin.


During my journey, I look at my notes (at least once an hour or so, OR frequently, if I am pounding away on old baggage). As soon as I read my Wish List, my mind gets re-focused ... back on the best path for me to take that day.


As my 12 hours come to an end (I'm one of those guys who cooks for 12 hours instead of the usual 4-to-5 hours), I remember several of the more interesting flashes of insight.


The next morning, I remember as soon as I wake up: Wow! Yesterday I was zooming through the Universe at light speed. I spend at least a few seconds of gratitude (for the blessing of a good trip). Then, I open my eyes and smile to the world. Even if I have to get ready for a buzy day, I spend that time consciously reminding myself to not be-in-a-hurry. This does not mean that I do things slower, but just to NOT feel rushed (take the time to smell the roses).


While the trip, itself, is most of the show, preparing for it just makes it smoother. And afterwards, the fond memories are there anyway, but re-inforcing them (and feeling grateful for them) helps make the magic more real and long-lasting.Edited by: Solidly-here

[emineo]

Tim Leary et al, found shortcuts to spiritual liberation via
psychedelic experiences through LSD.

Since LSD is both illegal and unavailable here, I'm hoping to launch a
few experiments with rcs.

There's been numerous trip reports and I have my own ideas about
how to proceed but maybe there's a few more enlightened than I
who have some suggestions?

Would DOC be the rc of choice that would induce an experience
most like LSD?

Is egoloss possible with DOC?

If not DOC, what would you recommend? Previous experience with
the 2C's rules them out.

Edit: 4-aco-mipt and 4-ho-mipt have now been added to the list of
candidates.Edited by: emineo

[Solidly-here]

LSD is just about the only Drug that works quite-a-bit like LSD.


You should probably provide more details about yourself, like: What have you tried thus far? What did it do for you?


After that, you might tell us what effect you are looking for (ego-loss, enlightenment, visual hallucinations, ...). Different RCs provide different aspects of the LSD-like experience. But, the same drug works differently for each psychonaut.

[nanobrain]

^^have you actually had LSD before to use said as the benchmark for comparison? and why are 2C's ruled out?

[Alfa]

2C-T-7 sure has ego loss potential. But since that is not legal, this doesn't count.

[Sick Jack]

I tried to make a rapid search on the topic, but I din't find anything really pertinent.

---> What do you mean with ego-loss ?

I mean, it's a complicated concept and everyone tends to have it's own interpretation.

[astenu]

salvinorum-a or ketamine will give you want you're looking for

[nanobrain]

^if you like 2 dimensional vs 4 dimensional ego loss

[emineo]

It's been a while, years, since I've had any LSD and at the time I
wasn't trying to do anything productive with it.

Mushrooms too, same as above.

Took a lot of 2ci at one point and there was nothing remotely
spiritual to it at all for me.

Strangely enough, the only real egoloss I ever experienced
was on E. Complete hallucination, loss of reality, separation from
self, etc.

After reading The Psychedelic Experience by Leary I recognized what
happened to me and I wish I would have read this book a long time
ago.

But, I don't really want to try to get there again using E because I had
to take a ridiculous amount of it for this experience to happen.

So now, I want to try experimenting with psychedelics that resemble
LSD in effect so I can explore what happened to me on E. LSD being
illegal isn't the point, none being available to me is

[Solidly-here]

A whole bunch of RCs could do the trick.


Although you didn't exactly say it, emineo, it sounds like you want to have a Spiritual experience. Well, good news! Most RCs have the potential to provide a strong ego-loss.


The next choice for you to make is: "Do you want a good amount of hallucinations in the mix?" If yes, do you want just visual amusement, or would you like strong audio changes? This will help us to suggest the best RC.


One thing to remember is, out of a 4-to-6-hour Trip, the ego-loss component will only be a few minutes. And, it may take several Trips to zero-in on a strong, ego-loss feeling (you may get a half-way ego-loss your first attempt). But, since you have already had it once, it's certainly easier to have it again.


Another option you have is to take an RC and some Ecstasy. This may super-charge the E, and send you right into a thundering ego-loss.


The other thing is: Every major RC has the potential to drive you to an ego-loss. So, don't feel that you have to obey anysuggestions like a robot. Your mind already knows what ego-loss is; it is smart-enough to be able to find it again, given half a chance.Edited by: Solidly-here

[Mr. Pissmister]

If ego loss is the goal why not explore HBWR

[Sick Jack]

@Alfa

Thank you for the link and sorry for the inconveniences produced by my disturbed mind

I would just add, that in fact I got my opinion on what is ego loss and what's the role of the ego. But do we all think the same or are we all speaking about the same thing ?

For me, questions around the ego remain a pretty complicated topic....Edited by: Sick Jack

[GDxCAT]

In my case mushrooms are the easiest method to achieve ego loss.

i have gotten ego loss from as little as 2.2g and as much as 5g. YMMV

[emineo]

Visual entertainment or audio changes are not of particular interest.
I simply want an opportunity to experience some serious egoloss.

Something along the lines of elemental existence. Atomized and
rebuilt from the ground up. Hopefully in a better way this time

I guess that indirectly means complete hallucinations, but are they
really? Who knows... But you get the point.

Does anyone find DMT particular useful for meaningful experiences
or is it too short in duration and simply a tease? Orally?
Intramusclar?

Edit: I don't think HBWR is the earth shaking experience I'm looking
for. From the reports I've read the LSA trip is hit or miss to begin
with.Edited by: emineo

[Nagognog2]

If you were really nice to the Mohawk, maybe they would offer you Wycosaan and erase your memory.

[nopockets]

SWIM found that DMT is extremely useful in learning about one's self, and experiences ego loss on every dose above 40 mg. SWIM tripped 5 times in about 6 hours, and each time SWIM gained a little more insight. By the final trip, SWIM had figured out what was wrong with his personality and had rebuilt himself. This is of course if SWIY has the quantity of DMT neccessary. Get your fish to do a MHRB extraction.

[raven3davis]

SWIM definitely thinks the tryptamines are the top candidates. DMT and DPT are much alike and could easily give you ego loss. Both are quite strong and short lasting but make for an excellent spiritual journey. The good thing about both of these drugs is that you can smoke them, which signifantly shortens the trip. If you don't have very much time to dedicate to a trip then these substances might suit you. You might however want the whole day to think about the experience and reflect on it. SWIM thouoght about his first DMT experience for days.

SWIM does not think that PEAs are garbage and only give you soupy visuals, but in his opinion they are a lot less introspective and spiritual. Many people have experienced ego death from peas, but the effects feel more forced than with tryptamines. If you are looking into research chemicals then you should definitely do some research on 4-aco-mipt and 4-ho-mipt. Shrooms would also make a good choice. They have great potential for ego loss and some even report it at low doses (less than 3). Of course this will vary from person to person, shroom to shroom, because SWIM does not begin to experience ego death until about the 10 gram mark.

LSD is illegal and the doses are not very consistent but it might also be worthwhile to test it out. The thing about rcs though is that you know exactly how much you are getting. Normally, the product is ultra pure and if you use a precise scale you know almost exactly how much you are taking. After you do your research, figure out how much you want to take and carefully measure the dose. Since LSD normally comes in doses you might have to take a few doses to reach ego death.

just do your research on these drugs and find out which one suits your needs. Once you find out which one you want to do, figure out a good dose to start with. Even though some people might report taking up to 50mg of a substance, by no means should you start with a heavy dose. If you feel comftorable start with a medium dose and work your way up. You might be surprised that a medium dose is enough to propell you into ego death! Good luck to you.