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Old 07-07-2010, 01:31
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Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

Is it possible to get high from shooting smaller doses of suboxone? A friend of mine doesn't do dope at all and claims he can get high from shooting them. Is he just getting a placebo effect? Is he actually getting high? SWIM never tried this because I heard it will put you into instant WD.

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Old 07-07-2010, 04:39
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

It will only put you into instant WD if one already has an Opiate addiction to say Heroin. If one does not, then shooting would result in them getting high.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:23
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

Buprinorphine is actually quite a bit more potent than heroin dose for dose. It's given in small doses to treat opioid addiction, which wouldn't produce a high in a tolerant individual. For a non-tolerant individual like SWIM's friend, even a small dose of this (under 1 mg) would likely produce a high.
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Old 07-07-2010, 05:46
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

ok SWIMS other friend shoots dope just about everyday. I've seen him shoot dope and than a few hours later he'll shoot 2mg and insuffalate 6mg. That should most certainly make him sick no?
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Old 07-07-2010, 10:31
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

If this person 'doesn't do dope at all' yet still injects suboxone then he has a serious problem. I'm not sure what that problem is exactly but whatever it is it isn't good.

Shooting suboxone means the naloxone in it will be active and it will cause more antagonist activity than buprenorphine on its own. He would probably get a better dunt off it if he took it properly.

I found a website once that had 4 cases of people shooting subutex and it caused terrible problems with blocked vessels, some of them to the extent where their hands had to come off.
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Old 07-07-2010, 17:22
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

SWIM will advise this person to lay off the shooting of subs. thanks for the replies.
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Old 09-07-2010, 07:26
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

at 24 hours, swim wasnt sick enough to bang a sub, but he wanted to test the theory. it is certainly real, says he. almost instantly, he could feel a coldness sweep over his body, and instant pain. after 30 minutes the feeling subsided, and the agonist effect warmed him and rocked him to sleep. theres really no reason to inject suboxone. there's simply no easy way to remove the binders. even after filtering it 4 times, theres still clouds of shit in the shot. swim has done it in the past out of psychological desperation to fulfill some sort of masochistic appeal he has to seeing his own blood, and shoving an inch long needle in his fem.

theres no rush. no reason to iv besides quicker onset. just insuffalate. it hits in 10 minutes for both IV and insuffalation, so pick the safer of the two, please.
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Old 15-07-2010, 03:29
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

just a quick question (and hopefully this is posted in the right forum) -

what constitutes as an opiate naive individual? what i mean is, if someone had abused opiates in the past, then went through a period of complete sobriety from opiates, would they then be considered "naive" again, despite prior use? or would they always have somewhat of a tolerance and thus not be able to feel any "high" from suboxone use? Particularly in regards to insuffalation or oral use.

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Old 15-07-2010, 03:46
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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ok SWIMS other friend shoots dope just about everyday. I've seen him shoot dope and than a few hours later he'll shoot 2mg and insuffalate 6mg. That should most certainly make him sick no?
This would indeed make him go into immediate withdrawals. If he waited long enough(3 days I believe) it would do the opposite and ease the withdrawals.

Opiate naive people are, I assume, those without opiate tolerances. Suboxone and subutex will get opiate naive people high, and on dosages of MUCH LESS than 1mg. The high is maybe a little like tramadol for opiate naive people. It is a slightly speedy opiate feeling that sometimes causes irritability. Those with opiate tolerances will only feel treated withdrawal symptoms(if they have waited long enough), and possibly a slightly speedy feeling, but generally no opiate buzz.

UTSE for a second and you will realize the dangers of shooting suboxone/subutex. DON'T DO IT

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Old 15-07-2010, 04:13
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

I have shot it, and it is hard to work up, and I didnt get high. I have known people that say they get high from just taking the pill, i never have gotten high from taking, snorting, or shooting the pill.... But I will say it works way better than methadone to actually help someone quit drugs.

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Old 16-07-2010, 05:16
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

^^^exactly. its not for getting high but for maintenance. swim cant say for sure whether newbies could get high, supposedly its different for everyone(some non-opiate tolerant individuals get violently ill). as far as shooting it: 99% of the accounts ive heard send people into violent WDs like no other. even if you dont have opiates in your system for the naloxone to bump off, wouldnt it take out some of your endogenous opiates? either way subs dont really get you high, and using the needle is part of the habit you are trying to break. so why not just maintain on a maintenance drug?
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Old 22-08-2010, 06:29
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

Swim is stabilized on a suboxone maintenance program and has injected suboxone after filtering with a wheel filter and not felt any precipitated withdrawal. He wanted to test whether the "precipitated withdrawal with injection" story was true or bs, as through logic it didn't make sense to him that you could absorb naloxone sublingually and it "would not be activated".

However it stands to reason that buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone, so provided your receptors were already loaded, naloxone shouldn't be able to kick em off.

This is only Swims observations, and he does not recommend anyone try this.
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Old 22-08-2010, 08:40
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AW: Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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However it stands to reason that buprenorphine has a much higher affinity for the receptors than naloxone, so provided your receptors were already loaded, naloxone shouldn't be able to kick em off.
This is only half right,
Naloxone (in the right dosage) will kick off Buprenorphin but only for a short time (afaik. 20min.), in the ER. a permanent Surveillance is needed!
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Old 25-08-2010, 22:12
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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This would indeed make him go into immediate withdrawals. If he waited long enough(3 days I believe) it would do the opposite and ease the withdrawals.
swim says: im on subutex, about 3-4mg per day. sometimes ill lower the dosage and take only 1mg in the morning and at the evening ill shoot some dope. ill take like .5mg subutex here and thereover the next few days here and there and shoot dope and get high from it. them go right back to 3-4mg sub per day. i think so long as you can keep a little sub in your system, you can use other opiates and not have to jump back on to sub or risk precip w/d. however, you definitely will have to use a lot more of the other opiate than usual to override the sub. for example.
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Old 26-08-2010, 07:22
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Re: AW: Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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This is only half right,
Naloxone (in the right dosage) will kick off Buprenorphin but only for a short time (afaik. 20min.), in the ER. a permanent Surveillance is needed!
For this reason, dosing Suboxone can be difficult, as the pet robot has noticed that there are in fact 2 peaks, which one obviously wouldn't expect from an opiate/oid.
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Old 02-09-2010, 00:09
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

My friend shoots his subs 6 times a day in doses around .5mg a shot. He feels slight euphoria and has never gotten sick from shooting them.

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Old 04-09-2010, 16:38
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

^subutex or suboxone?
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

It doesn't matter. The bupe has a higher affinity than the naloxone anyway.
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Old 17-09-2010, 08:48
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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A friend of mine doesn't do dope at all and claims he can get high from shooting them. Is he just getting a placebo effect? Is he actually getting high?
Yes. If he doesn't already have a tolerance to opiods, then he will get high from the sub.

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what constitutes as an opiate naive individual? what i mean is, if someone had abused opiates in the past, then went through a period of complete sobriety from opiates, would they then be considered "naive" again, despite prior use?
If you they don't have a tolerance currently, they will get high from subs.
Your tolerance will drop over time after you stop using, and you will technically become opiate naive again when the receptors in your brain go back to 'normal'.

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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

There is no point to shooting Suboxone. Yes it will get you high, but it is completely pointless.

1) It's dangerous shooting pills, and there are enough reports of people needing amputations from shooting Suboxone to believe it is a significantly real danger.

2) It won't get you any higher than a different ROA. The reason people inject drugs is for the rush. Suboxone will not give you a rush - end of story. Nobody has wanted a rush from Suboxone more than SWIM, and he has tried all different ways, it just doesn't happen. There is no point in injecting it when you could just take it sublingual or snort it and get the exact same effects. An extra 20-30% bioavailability with absolutely no other positive effects is not worth it.

3) Injecting a disgusting orange syrup is just revolting. It still makes SWIM cringe when he thinks about the times he did it.
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Old 18-09-2010, 07:41
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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swim says: im on subutex, about 3-4mg per day. sometimes ill lower the dosage and take only 1mg in the morning and at the evening ill shoot some dope. ill take like .5mg subutex here and thereover the next few days here and there and shoot dope and get high from it. them go right back to 3-4mg sub per day. i think so long as you can keep a little sub in your system, you can use other opiates and not have to jump back on to sub or risk precip w/d. however, you definitely will have to use a lot more of the other opiate than usual to override the sub. for example.
I don't think Subutex will cause precipitated withdrawal. Only Suboxone will, since it has Naloxone in it.

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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

Swim agrees with DT , "Yes it will get you high, but it is completely pointless."

However swiy is going to do as swiy pleases so from a harm reduction point of view,

In a dream SwiNeedle had he shot up suboxone and was quite happy with the results (compared to previous results) SwiNeedle tossed his suboxone on the spoon and crushed it as finely as possible ( subs break up somewhat easily so swiy doesn't need a lot of pressure, make sure swiy pays attention so pieces don't go flying everywhere ) Swiy then needs to add 40-60 units of water and then wait for at least 3-5 mins. Yes swim knows waiting the 240 seconds is very difficult but it must be done. During the 3-5 mins swim will see blockers/fillers and naloxone sink to the bottom of the spoon, now the trick is not to put your cotton on the spoon , but to put the cotton over the head of the needle. Now once swiy has a tight ball of cotton on the end of his rig he wants to place the cotton on top of the water, so it just barely touching and proceed to fill up swiy's rig * Remember not to let the cotton sink, keep it attached to the spike*

For safe measure, swim would then repeat the process, squirt everything out onto another spoon, wait another few mins, re attach a FRESH piece of cotton and re-fill swiy's rig. If swiy has a wheel filter readily available it would be a good idea to use that on the 2nd or even third time filtering.

Once again, swineedle wants everyone to be aware that you can shoot suboxone, but swineedle would not recommend to anyone.
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

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at 24 hours, swim wasnt sick enough to bang a sub, but he wanted to test the theory. it is certainly real, says he. almost instantly, he could feel a coldness sweep over his body, and instant pain. after 30 minutes the feeling subsided, and the agonist effect warmed him and rocked him to sleep. theres really no reason to inject suboxone. there's simply no easy way to remove the binders. even after filtering it 4 times, theres still clouds of shit in the shot. swim has done it in the past out of psychological desperation to fulfill some sort of masochistic appeal he has to seeing his own blood, and shoving an inch long needle in his fem.

theres no rush. no reason to iv besides quicker onset. just insuffalate. it hits in 10 minutes for both IV and insuffalation, so pick the safer of the two, please.

I think there is some BS about the suboxone thing causing WD when injected.

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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

My pet flamingo snorted 6 mg of suboxone whenever he only did opiates once in a blue moon and it got him extremely high. For the first few hours he felt like he was on speed combined with opiates because he felt very relaxed but couldn't stop walking and talking. For about the next 8 hours all he could do was chill on his couch and nod out. Biggest difference he noticed between suboxone and opiates was they were not quite as euphoric while nodding, but lasted way longer
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Re: Friends claim they get high from shooting suboxone?

SWIM wonders if anyone has tried acetylating buprenorphine in the analagous manner to people converting morphine to diamorphine? The compound binds VERY strongly to μ receptors and it seems it 'eventually' gets people high, so maybe it's the BBB that slows it down?

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