Stimulant tryptamines or indoles

[Alfa]

A friend told me he experienced MAO-I qualities when experimenting with a-ET. Can anyone confirm?

[a-SalviaLover]

Originally Posted by Alfa

A friend told me he experienced MAO-I qualities when experimenting with a-ET. Can anyone confirm?

How did he exactly experienced those MAOI qulities? If he guessed it the radical way how did he survive to tell you this?

[Nagognog2]

a-ET, like a-MT, is certainly an MAOI. Both should be approached with extreme caution in this regard. No doubt this holds true for 5-Meo-a-MT as well, and might help account for the repeated reports of toxic reactions.

a-ET apparently showed up on the street in California in the mid-1980's. Some asshole was selling it as MDMA. Though not yet outlawed, this brought both to the attention of the state and federal shmucks. I didn't follow this too closely as my research with it had been concluded by 1982 and the remains of what I had were discarded. Shows how much I thought of the results. Though there was one very interesting result that was utterly unexpected: One person who had constant pain when walking from torn cartiledge in his knee reported that a-ET not only stopped the pain, but seemed to be bringing about rapid repair. He brought this to his medical specialist - who confirmed this was real. I left him with a way to buy up as much as he wanted. Back then it cost about $60/100gm from a mainstream chemical supplier here in the US. Now that it's outlawed, according to Shulgin, it goes for some ridiculous amount like $5,000/gm from the same source if you have a DEA license.

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[Nagognog2]

Nausea. Headache. Faintness. Thready pulse. Rapid pulse. Hypotension. Hypertension. Progressive symptomology. Can be fatal.

[Alfa]

X is always very carefull experimenting with new substances. X worked his way up the dosage in seperate experiments. X his regime for such experiments includes a MAO-I diet, just to be sure. During one of the eperiments X decided to try some old cheese and got extremely stimulated. Pulse went bazurk. X concluded that this effect was due to tyrosine content in cheese. This was in the time a-ET was legal BTW.

[a-SalviaLover]

I encourage all drug users around the owrld to be like X. Then the legalisation of drugs wouldn't bother any one, because they will be used reasonably! However, while people are misinformed, this would never happen!

[Nagognog2]

The knowledge that Monase - the trade name for a-ET when it was being used as an antidepressant in the 1960's, was a short-acting MAOI was well established in the medical community here in the USA. The majority of the antidepressant drugs at the time were also MAOI's. Though most were long-acting ones that required weeks or months to clear the body* to be safe for one to eat that hunk of cheese and sup some sherry. Many of these are still in use, but to a much lesser extent.

Maybe this is why Monase looked promising - it's MAOI effects were short-lived by comparison.

* after cessation of usage.

[Voices]

Originally Posted by Alfa

Most tryptamines discussed in this forum are psychedelics. Which tryptamines/ indoles are stimulants?

Although I would guess that is highly subjective, from the reports in Erowid, 5-meo-dalt sounds like something that would fit the bill.

[Beeker]

1 0.25 gram fresh Ps. Cub. Better then Ritalin.

[raven3davis]

SWIM has heard repots that 5-meo-mipt is active at very low doses, and at these doses it is stimulating but not psychadelic. He has not been able to confirm this though.

[Iggypoop]

AMT is a mild competitive MAOI (mild enough not to be too worried) but i don't know about AET, couldn't find any info either.

[a-SalviaLover]

Didn't you read Alfa's experiment? AET is a short acting MAOI.

[treefingers49]

AMT too was sold as an antidepressant, indopan, in the Soviet Union during the 60's

[astenu]

SWIM has found 20mg 5-meo-dalt stimulating and euphoric & lacking in psychedelic effects for the most part

[fatal]

AMT can be an extreme stimulant if a substantial dose is used and I suspect it is fair to say that its directly related compounds AET 5MeO-AMT and 5MeO-AET also probably share both that and the maoi effect with AMT. 5MeO-DiPT and 5MeOMiPT are fairly stimulating both. All these do have clear psychedelic effects at active doses, and it is fair to say that almost all psychedelics can be stimulating. These however do have the most probable stimulant value as tryptamines. Clearly there are far more viable options in other chemicals families for this type of effect most specifically alpha methylated phenethylamines.

[Iggypoop]

Sorry a-salv and alfa, i never read the thread properly, my bad.

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[hh339]

high doses of 5-meo-mipt only created audio distortions in swims entrys. low doses, stimulant yes, psychedelic not really at all.

[UberDouche]

SWIM says that 3mg 5 meo dipt insuflated proved to be a very nice stimulant with some edges of psychedelia to boot! Very nice when pyrolized with some 5 meo dmt mixed in with the 5 meo dipt!

[rxbandit]

swim notes that both 5-meo-mipt and DPT when smoked in low doses have very subtle pyschedelic effects but exhibit a primarily stimulant like effect. however the stimulation could not be very effective in a social situation or to accomplish anything productive due to the intense feeling of strangeness these compounds instill, in swims opinion.

[snapper]

SWIM feels 5meoMIPT is psychedelic even in low doses. However, SWIM has never taken this compound without cannabis, so maybe that is why it seems psychedelic. SWIM doubts it, though. SWIM gets the same thing from low dose DPT and 5meoDIPT when it was around. SWIM thinks the only one which is truely a stimulant is AMT. 5meoDALT has stimulating properties but still feels like a psychedelic without the visuals - sorta like 4meoMIPT though less subtle.

[Fantasian]

When you guys talk about 4-HO-DIPT and 5-MEO-MIPT being much more stimulating and less psychadelic, do you believe these could be used in a more club environment?

After SWIF experimented with DPT at a dance festival he found it pretty amazing but not right for the environment.

Also does anyone have any experience with 4-HO-DIPT and 5-MEO-MIPT combined with MDMA or other such stimulants. Feel free to PM me the latter if im going a little off topic.

[Expat98]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

When you guys talk about 4-HO-DIPT and 5-MEO-MIPT being much more stimulating and less psychadelic, do you believe these could be used in a more club environment?

Also does anyone have any experience with 4-HO-DIPT and 5-MEO-MIPT combined with MDMA or other such stimulants.

I wrote a report about SWIM's experience with a 4-HO-DIPT + 2C-T-2 combo. See this thread:

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...-t-2+4-ho-dipt

Great trip, but definitely not something for a club environment! Actually, I could not really imagine using 4-HO-DIPT in a club environment, either taken alone or combined with anything else. Not sure why it was called a "stimulant" above, but that was said in the context of taking it at lower doses. I'm in the camp that says the magic with this one begins at higher doses (30mg+).

[Psych0naut]

5-MeO-DiPT and 5-MeO-MiPT could be used in a club setting, but 4-HO-DiPT and 4-HO-MiPT are too psychedelic to be taken in a club setting.
With the former, SWIM had no problem interacting with sober people on the street, but not with the latter, he wouldn't even think of it.
The best tryptamine for a club setting would be AMT in SWIMs opinion, very stimulating but not visual if done in the proper(low) dose.
SWIM didn't have any social anxiety on even a very high dose of AMT(120mg), and probably wouldn't have much trouble interacting with sober people on it.

[Fantasian]

As the the 5-meo-MIPT would SWIF prefer it or possibly combine it with MDMA?

[Psych0naut]

Combining with MDMA can proof to be a good combination for most people, though a lower dose would probably be needed, and some pre-experience with 5-MeO-MiPT though determine what a good dose for the individual in question would be.