Stimulant tryptamines or indoles

[Alfa]

Most tryptamines discussed in this forum are psychedelics. Which tryptamines/ indoles are stimulants?

[nanobrain]

as in purely stimulant without psychedelia? good question, i'd like to know too.

[marleysherb]

SWIM would probably say pure DIPT. However, most typtamines do produce
psyche changes. Even melatonin is a typtamine, which is related to
darkness. This is probably why most produce this reaction.

[nanobrain]

^Melatonin is a pineal hormone, produced by acetylation and subsequent methylation of 5HT.

related to your circadian rythms rather than to darkness alone, AFAIK, it's not in and of itself psychoactive, although has been used with some success to modulate visual aspects of other trypts / peas - nor is it a stimulant of any note.

[Sick Jack]

5-meo-mipt produces weak visual hallucinations, but is definitely stimulant. Stimulation seems to be for my rats the main caracteristic of this compound, even if euphoria, music enhancement seem to be too part of the trip.

[marleysherb]

Nano, When I was talking about Melatonin, I was talking about the "
as in purely stimulant without psychedelia?" and why trypamines are
probably visually stimulating. Melatonin does not cause any trypamine
effect except for great sleep with great feelings of alertness in the
morning for me, however it is the reason I fall asleep faster and have
more vivid dreams.

[joachimist]

small doses of snorted DPT are stimulating without much hallucinations,
for some of my rats. But for some others, and also at higher doses, it can
be very psychedelique.

[Alfa]

I found 4-HO-DIPT stimulating, without hallucinogenic effects. That is, the times I did not combine it with cannabis.

[snapper]

You all are missing the most obvious - the tryptamine analog of
amphetamine AMT. In 5 - 20 mg doses, this one is a very strong and long
lasting stimulant without much in the way of psychedelic effects. Also,
low dose 5meo DIPT or 5meo MIPT are both good stimulants, though they
both have a lot stronger psychedelic effect than low dose AMT.

Snapper

[allyourbase]

all (+) alpha alkyl dual ring indoles are known stimulants and psychedelics.

[Alfa]

But which ones are only stimulant or euphoriant, but not hallucinogenic?

[marleysherb]

SWIM's encounter with 10mg 5-Meo-DIPT last night was definately
stimulating. Not too euphoric, but gave me a feeling of stimulation
along with a little anxiety. Definately was clear headed, but my body
was feeling amazing.

[enquirewithin]

I'm told that 5 MEO-DIPT in doses above those given in TIHKAL is hallucinogenic?


What about AET?

[Nagognog2]

alpha-Ethyltryptamine, usually enountered as the acetate salt(Monase), does act and feel like a stimulant in doses between 20mg - 60mg. Rather like a weak amphetamine/strong caffeine.Higher than that and it begins to resemble MDMA, though lacking the euphoria for the most part. It is also currently a schedule I controlled substance in the USA.


Bongo recalls easily purchasing 100gm bottles back in 1982 for dirt cheap from several big-name chemical companies.

[mushroom-man]

My friends rat has allways found low-doses of LSD (20-35ug) to be a
very good stimulant with "smart-drug" like properties. Low doses of
mushrooms can also be effective, but dose response was not found to be
very linear or as reproducable.



Mush


Edited by: mushroom-man

[fastandbulbous]

I found that AET had a reasonable amount of euphoria; not anywhere near that of MDMA, but still a reasonable amount.

That was a long time ago when I tried it though (over 15 years ago)

[GDxCAT]

AMT comes to mind when i think of stimulating tryptamines.

Ofcourse at higher doses it does become more psychedelic but when smoked or eaten at ~10-20mg it just gives a stimulating high.

[a-SalviaLover]

I doubt that there is a tryptamine that is not psychedelic. While most of them have stimulant properties in smaller doses, they are deffinately psychedelic. Stimulant amphetamines theirselves can be quite psychedelic at larger doses (although not very healthy to use them for these properties), espicially in the end of their effects (not very pleasant psychedelia, but I consider it sth similar)

[GDxCAT]

^melatonin is not trippy but it is a tryptamine.
Also there are tryptamines that are not active at all.
So uh, there's lots of tryptamines that are not psychedelic.

[Alfa]

Tryptamine stimulants without hallucinogen qualities so far:
4-HO-DIPT
AMT (at lower dosage)
AET

[glogga]

MIPT didn't have much of a psychedelic quality to it. It was just kinda wierd.

[a-SalviaLover]

I doubt that in lager doses these are not psychedelic. AET is considered an emaptogen (although classifed on the erowid as Psychedelic Tryptamine). I consider these substances psychedelic but in a little different way. The term psychedelic is not an axact term. Even dissociatives are sometimes classified as psychedelics.

As for the AET, I'd really like to try this substance!

[Nagognog2]

I disagree about 4-OH-DiPT. It certainly curls the wallpaper at Bongo's ranch. To each their own though. But I'd toss in 5-Meo-MiPT as not really being hallucinogenic and highly stimulant - and i know I'd meet with strong disagreement!

Regards wanting to try a-ET, don't feel badly about missing that wave. Very few sought it out when it was legal. Most found it interesting but not worthy of repeating. But it does serve as a shining example of what happens when money-grubbing jerks start pumping molecules out on the streets. BANG! Schedule I Controlled Substance.

[GDxCAT]

^ i found both 5 meo mipt and 4 ho dipt to be hallucinogenic.

Nag, when was aet being sold on the streets. This was'nt recently right?

[Alfa]

A friend told me he experienced MAO-I qualities when experimenting with a-ET. Can anyone confirm?