How to abuse Fentanyl Patches

[PliersOfSociety]

Originally Posted by thatogredude

pertaining to smoking fentanyl:

SWIM had 2 sandoz 25 mcg/hr patches to share with 1 other SWIM. After researching for hours, he decided to smoke the jelly. he popped a hole in the patch, squeezed out a drop, and foil toked it like heroin addicts do. immeadeatley, it hit like a rock, and this SWIM isn't a noob to opiates. Full opiate high after like 2-5 mins per hit. Both patches were fully roasted in about an hours' time... and the two SWIMS were both rather looped out. it doesnt last as long as it probably would ingested elsewise, but he reccomends smoking it over anything else (save IV). two full 25mcg patches, two people, one hour. no overdose. slight nausea, other typical opiate side effects... but overall, SWIM says it was a great way to do it. i'm new to the site, love it btw... and i just thought i'd share SWIM's story, cuz there aren't enough positive comments about smoking it since somebody abused their account on page one of these results. give it a try, you probably won't regret it. Keep in mind though, SWIM only had 25mcg/hr patches, opposed to 50, or 100mcg/hr patches. Procede with larger doses with EXTREME caution. rock on in the free world!

This scenario has been SWIM's experience as well. SWIM has several times now just silt the patch, gooped a drop at a time out, sometimes dragonchasing on foil, and other times in a crack stem, and in both ways has used up a patch in a single outing without dying or anything even remotely approaching that, but still having one of the best rushes ever and full-on opioid high, perhaps not lasting as long as after other means of ingesting, perhaps, but by far SWIM's now favourite means of enjoying opioids.

By FAR.

[PliersOfSociety]

Originally Posted by PliersOfSociety

This scenario has been SWIM's experience as well. SWIM has several times now just silt the patch, gooped a drop at a time out, sometimes dragonchasing on foil, and other times in a crack stem, and in both ways has used up a patch in a single outing without dying or anything even remotely approaching that, but still having one of the best rushes ever and full-on opioid high, perhaps not lasting as long as after other means of ingesting, perhaps, but by far SWIM's now favourite means of enjoying opioids.

By FAR.

Oh yeah, and I should mention that SWIM had the 100mcg patches, so SWIM tends to think the incredibly high potency associated with Fentanyl is likely diminished by this means of ingestion in some way as SWIM has twice smoked a whole patch in a sitting and and since SWIM is not dead, although SWIM has decades of opiate and opioid experience, SWIM rarely uses them anymore, maybe one to two times a year, there is likely some decrease in OD potential this way, although SWIM in no way suggests anyone should try this.

[angeliclight]

SWIM is attempting to utilize the mylan patch that way. SWIM informed me that it must be easier to measure being that it's dry. SWIM doesn't know how long this will take but knows that the liquid was difficult to manage.

[Adogg]

Well, a couple of patches later, SWIM got enough courage to try it orally. And honestly, swim was so much more pleased. SWIM read the ingredients and looked them up and nothing was harmful. The gel inside the patch was disgusting, but SWIM believes it is alot more effective orally. SWIM suggests you divide the patch depending on its strength into SMALL portions and chew on the mylan patches. This seems fairly safe. Make sure they are SMALL. Probably around half inch squares. Freebasing works but sometimes leads to unwanted problems not discovered orally. SWIMS lungs will be happier this way.

[Forthesevenlakes]

There is, in SWIM's opinion, no truly safe way to use fentanyl with the patches, especially if SWIYou have a low tolerance to opiates. However, the method described above by Adogg with cutting the mylan patches would probably be safe if one has somewhat of a tolerance (for example if one is already receiving the patches from a doctor legitimately, after going through other pain medications.) So, this is not really a caution to SWIAdogg so much as people who may have gotten the Mylan patches through other channels.

However, what does Adogg mean by freebasing the fentanyl? Did SWIY extract the fentanyl from the patches and convert it from the salt? Or has SWIY just tried smoking the straight patch? SWIM is honestly curious, although he doesnt think lighting up a foil full of fentanyl would be very easy on the lungs or tastebuds.

Hm... "Foil full of fentanyl" may have to be the drug-related tongue twister of the week.

[angeliclight]

Most of you in here are discussing the gel patches, but I have uncovered some very useful FDA information and posted it in a new thread called, THE MYLAN PATCH.

[kylan]

does any SWIM that has been putting the mylan patch pieces in their mouth noticed that you cant get a buzz anymore? SWIM is still getting the pain relief SWIM needs but sometimes its nice to get a buzz. BTW SWIM only uses new 100 mcg matrix patches

[SomeGrl]

I know some one perscribed to the fentanyl patches and SWIM cut a small piece off the corner just large enough to squeeze small amounts of gel out at a time. But before squeezing the gel out SWIM dries the inside of upper lip and the front of upper gums then sqeezes only a very small amount of gel onto her finger and carefully pulls up her lip to place the gel in the center of her front gums. Swim then does not eat or drink anything for 15 to 20 minutes and keeps talking at a minimum. Swim also sometimes will take a corner of a patch and cut a larger amount off as to make a small pocket but it is large enough to fit SWIM's tongue into. Before cutting SWIM takes a pair of scissors and moves all gel in patch to one side only sliding a small amount into the corner that SWIM will cut. After doing so SWIM cuts the small corner pocket with gel inside. SWIM then dries tongue and slips tongue inside once again no eating or drinking and keeps talking to a minimum.It has been said these are the best ways. And as for the Mylan brand Swim cuts them into halfs or fourths depending on the strength, dries tongue and folds the patch over tongue.

[benzoaddict]

Is it true that if you just eat the gel you are only getting a small fraction of the effect? SWIM has been eating the gel directly from the patches for a long time and has always expereinced a good effect, but has SWIM been wasting the true power of the patches by doing this? He has tried "Chasing the Dragon" but with limited success, my lighter always seems to find the product with the flame and burn it up,He just don't have the art of the perfect hit down. Anyways, SWIM is still searching for the most effecient way to use his patches for recreational value. Thanks.

[OhCasey]

Originally Posted by benzoaddict

Is it true that if you just eat the gel you are only getting a small fraction of the effect? SWIM has been eating the gel directly from the patches for a long time and has always expereinced a good effect, but has SWIM been wasting the true power of the patches by doing this? He has tried "Chasing the Dragon" but with limited success, my lighter always seems to find the product with the flame and burn it up,He just don't have the art of the perfect hit down. Anyways, SWIM is still searching for the most effecient way to use his patches for recreational value. Thanks.

Ya pretty much. According to things ive read the bioavailability of taking fentanyl orally is anywhere from 15-30%. Not that high.

[Wflash]

This has been discussed at length on a number of threads, but SWIM still thinks that there's merit in eating bits of these (non-gel style) patches. SWIM's not arguing with the bioavailability thing, but taking it transdermally (wearing them), or probably even sublingually (under the tongue), SWIY still gets a controlled release of the drug (50/75/100 ug an hour or whatever) whereas eating them seems to release more of it in one go into one's system. SWIY gets less of the drug out overall, but more of a "hit".

As noted alll over though - SWIY's got to watch the doses with a drug this strong, and what one can handle will vary pretty wildly with tolerance and the general biological make up of the user.

Another interesting use of fentanyl patches to bear in mind if one has access to them is managing an opiate habit. Withdrawl from a moderate habit can be mostly avoided for three days by wearing a 75mg Durogesic patch.

[shinobi1kinobi]

Please do not use Fentanyl.
If interested, please read the following:
http://www.heroinhelper.com/angry/fentanyl.shtml

I live in Jersey, Channel Islands (UK), Popultaion approx 90,000-100,000, where the Fentanyl patches have recently started to be abused, even though Fentanyl is not known to be abused in the mainland UK.

The main reason that the patches have started to come onto the black market in Jersey is because the price of Heroin in Jersey C.I. is much higher than the mainland (UK).

In fact, the most common price for 1 gramme of Heroin in Jersey is £200, and a one hit bag costs £50.
This price is quite a lot greater than the price in the mainland UK, where 1 gramme usually costs only £20, and a one hit bag costs £5.

Anyway. The patches hit the black market in Jersey and cost only £20-£40.
Because of the lower cost, they have become an attractive alternative to Herion, especially during times where Heroin is in short supply (Jersey is an Island, and therefore much harder to maintain a constant supply).

Anyway,
Over a six month period, Jersey has had more od deaths from people using Fentanyl than they ever have had with people od'ing on Heroin.

Many of the people who have died on Fentanyl were the most experianced Heroin addicts in Jersey.

One of the people included in the fatalities was my older and only brother.
He had injected Heroin for over 16 years without problems.
He was also a bright guy who was pretty cautious about how he did things.

He died just over a month a go from injecting a Fentanyl patch.

He has left not only a brother and parents who really loved him, but has also left a beautiful 3 year old sweetheart of a daughter.
He loved his daughter, and would have done anything for her.
She now has to grow up without a father.
Our family all have to live the rest of our lives without him.
This is heartbreaking to all of us and I feel it is very wrong.

We are all missing him terribly and wish that he had never touched Fentanyl.

Please, DO NOT TOUCH FENTANYL!

Please value your life.
Please consider the consequences of your actions.
Please get Rehab as I did, I now get much better highs from life itself, pure and uncut.

There are other highs that you can achieve that are completely natural.
Consider getting your shit together and try an activity that doesn't require putting something into your system.

I rehabilatated myself by getting some help from my doc (anti-deppressants), and by keeping myself busy.
I started training in martial arts (again) and in any other time spare, I made music.
This gave me something to do and gave me a goals to go for.
I am now married and much happier than I was ever when using Heroin.
My next goal is to release my own records.
These achievements and highs kick the ass out of any smack hit, and I am never strung out.

Also, my natural highs do not hurt anyone.
Please consider.
If you are deppressed, go to the doctor.
Please, stop.

[shinobi1kinobi]

Please try and rehabilitate as your life is worth more than 1 hit!
You owe this to all the people who love you and all those who would miss you (if you od'ed), and most important of all,
You owe this to your self.

Your deserve to get more out of life than just going from one synthetic hit to another.

Is this the person you imagined you'd be when you were a kid?
Isn't there anything that you dreamed of achieving when you were a kid that you still could achieve now?

A black belt in Karate,
a place on a football team,
to play on a record that's released,
your art exhibited in an Art Gallery,
your book published,
to have a good relationship with a nice girl/boy whom you are in love with, the list is endless,
there are so many cool things in life!

Isn't there place's in the world that you have dreamed of going to,
that you still may go.

True, many of these things you have to work for, but this makes achieving your goal/s so much more worhwhile.

Not much in life is free, but this means you all gotta be tough and fight for your right to life!

[ninjafied]

SWIM had a lumbar fusion about a month and a half ago, and SWIM is on methadone, 45 mgs a day, from a clinic. SWIM had been taking dilaudid for about 6 weeks after the surgery, but SWIM's surgeon sent SWIM to a pain management doctor. The only way SWIM actually felt any euphoria was to shoot the dillies. SWIM told the pain mgmt. doc about his methadone, trying to be legit. SOOOOO......the pain mgmt doc prescribed SWIM Fentanyl patches, 25mch/h, SWIM knows that they are the smallest available dose. SWIM has also read up on Fentanyl and knows its potency. Since SWIM is on 45mgs of methadone, he figured he could handle a little bit of gel between the gums. SWIM punctured one patch, and he did just that, put what he thought was a little bit between his cheek and gums.
After about 45 secs-1 minute, SWIM started feeling a little something. SWIM had OD'd on heroin about 5 years ago, but thanks to the EMT's and Narcan, he's still here, so he knew what it felt like just before he "went out." SWIM felt the same feeling......again. Pleasant at first, then not so pleasant. SWIM said that he felt that way for about 10 minutes, then the feeling subsided. SWIM was actually scared that he was going to go out again. SWIM's experience has told me NOT TO MESS WITH FENTANYL. ITS NO JOKE.
SWIM had me write this hoping that it would maybe stop at least one person from trying to get a little ringer off of a fentanyl patch.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Originally Posted by shinobi1kinobi

Please try and rehabilitate as your life is worth more than 1 hit!
You owe this to all the people who love you and all those who would miss you (if you od'ed), and most important of all,
You owe this to your self.

Your deserve to get more out of life than just going from one synthetic hit to another.

Is this the person you imagined you'd be when you were a kid?
Isn't there anything that you dreamed of achieving when you were a kid that you still could achieve now?

A black belt in Karate,
a place on a football team,
to play on a record that's released,
your art exhibited in an Art Gallery,
your book published,
to have a good relationship with a nice girl/boy whom you are in love with, the list is endless,
there are so many cool things in life!

Isn't there place's in the world that you have dreamed of going to,
that you still may go.

True, many of these things you have to work for, but this makes achieving your goal/s so much more worhwhile.

Not much in life is free, but this means you all gotta be tough and fight for your right to life!

No it probably isn't what swim imagined when he was a kid but it's far too late to be thinking about that.Fentanyl is dangerous stuff no doubt but as long as someone goes into it knowing the dangers they will be far safer.A heroin addict that thinks fentanyl is like heroin is not reallistically looking at the substance.Swim knows it is pointless for you or anyone else to come here and tell people not to do fentanyl or any substance for that matter.It is alot better to simply tell people how to be safe with these substances.Attempting to inject fentanyl or eating a whole patch at once is not safe or responsible use.Swim has no problem eating them but swim is very tolerant to them.However please for most of you,just wear the patch or extract small bits of the gel and put them on your gums or behind your ear.

[shinobi1kinobi]

Originally Posted by Orchid_Suspiria

No it probably isn't what swim imagined when he was a kid but it's far too late to be thinking about that.Fentanyl is dangerous stuff no doubt but as long as someone goes into it knowing the dangers they will be far safer.A heroin addict that thinks fentanyl is like heroin is not reallistically looking at the substance.Swim knows it is pointless for you or anyone else to come here and tell people not to do fentanyl or any substance for that matter.It is alot better to simply tell people how to be safe with these substances.Attempting to inject fentanyl or eating a whole patch at once is not safe or responsible use.Swim has no problem eating them but swim is very tolerant to them.However please for most of you,just wear the patch or extract small bits of the gel and put them on your gums or behind your ear.

I don't think your really getting the message properly buddy.
What I am writing about is more than just how to get a synthetic hit from this drug or that drug.

I mean, do addicts really need any more idea's on how to get even more fucked up???

Does anyone need to know how you might just possibly, if your really carefull and perhaps if your one of the lucky ones, you might just get a hit.

I think if you read all the pages from this forum about Fentanyl, you would realise that there are a number of people out there that actually think the Fentanyl hit is just about one of the most stupid dumb ass idea's to get a high around.

And, also, what may be interesting to note, is that these forum entries usually aren't written by square anti-drug campainers who have 0% drug taking experiance, but, many of these entries are written by long term drug addicts or ex-addicts that are simply trying to help people from making the biggest mistake of their lives.

I bet, if you counted the amount of Fentanyl fatalities against the amount of long term recreational Fentanyl users, I think that you would find that there would be a great deal more Fentanyl fatalities than successful long term Fentanyl users.

Anyway, considering these odds.
I think that giving advice on how people may possibly, if their really carefull, and if the wind is blowing in the right direction, may be able to get a cheap HIT and cheap thrill from a Fentanyl patch - must be a really dumb ass thing to do.

You may just come out with the good old line 'if drug users are going to use drugs, then is best they get advice about how to do so safely',
but i don't think you are really aware how dangerous this shit is.

I mean, if you are personally happy putting your life on the line and chance getting a hit and killing yourself (and in the process fucking everybodies lives around you up as well), then go ahead buddy.
However,
don't tell other people to do something so dangerous, that they may just put their own lives on the line based on your advice.

You know, it's a pity all the responsibility has been disowned on this site with regards to dumb ass advice, as if someone dies because of your advice, i would be pleased if you were to be put in prison or sued for your stupidity.

Some of you guys should shake that shit off and start getting a life, and start giving and helping people in their lives instead of fucking everybodies life up around you.

However, if you still think that banging Fentanyl is a cool idea, perhaps you could also start a forum on how to bang up pure arsenic or domestic bleach.

Please, dont take offence, I am just trying to save peoples lives.
I miss my brother terribly, and there isn't a day I don't wish he had never seen that fucking death in a patch.

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[shinobi1kinobi]

p.s. It is possible for some people to OD by simply just administering the stonger strength patch as directed by the manufacturers. (on the skin).

This is because the Fentanyl abuser may simply not have a tollerance to the active ingrediants. Remember that these patches are designed for sufferers of chronic pain. such as people who unfortunately have cancer etc.
And because their use of these patches may be long term, they may grow a tollerance, therefore, they need a higher dose to kill the pain they are in.

Anyway, many of the helpful people on this site that are giving 'great advice' leave this info out.
Perhaps because they are too stupid, careless or simply too inexperianced.
This is really dangerous as without a full picture, someone may read advice contained within and may end up dead because of the dumb ass advice given.

Please read the notes on Fentanyl on Heroinhelper.com.

[shinobi1kinobi]

Also,
the more Fentanyl is accepted as an acceptable way to get a hit,
then the more likely fentanyl is going to be acceptable to be in circulation.

If people stop using alltogether, or if people treat the patches with the correct regard then hopefully no more people will die because of them.

The patches are made to give pain relief for the poor people out their who have chronic pain because they are suffering from medical conditions such as cancer.

They are not party drugs and the chances of fatality are much higher than even with heroin.

It's not like giving e heads advice, this shit is far more dangerous than all of them.

Dont do it!!!

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim is not advising anyone to do anything dangerous,its called harm reduction.Yes fentanyl is dangerous but people are going to do it like it or not.So atleast swim can tell them there is safer ways to do this than eating the whole patch at once.Swims intention is to just maybe save lives not hurt people.And when did swim suggest "banging"fentanyl?Swim advised people to never try to inject this substance.Sure swim would recommend to most people that don't have very,very high opiate tolerances to not touch fentanyl but swim just doesn't think this is totally reallistic.So yes swim would prefer most people didn't attempt to abuse fentanyl but if you are try to be as safe and sane about it as possible.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim is fully aware that wearing the patch can kill however wearing it is safer than eating it.And swims advice is mainly for hardcore opiate users he would caution opiate naive people or people who haven't really used drugs at all to stay well away from fentanyl.Swim just understands that people are going to do these things.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Unfortunately fentanyl is very much in circulation,infact where swim lives fentanyl is sometimes more sought after than heroin.People are using this substance,it's just a fact like it or not.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

Swim didn't say chew a whole patch for one,swim said that if someone must chew the patch to to use small bits instead of the whole thing.You are looking at this from the perspective of someone who is not addicted to opiates and therefore can tell addicts "Don't use fentanyl!"but if a junkie is dope sick and fentanyl is the only thing around they are going to use it like it or not.But you seem to be the expert now.

[Orchid_Suspiria]

No that isn't how they were designed,that is why swim has advised people to simply wear them instead of doing anything else with them.However the next safest thing to wearing them would be to put a small bit of it on ones skin.It might not be the safest thing on earth but it is a good deal safer than eating it!And swim has also advised people on other posts that eating the patches may cause damage to the liver.Swim knows people are going to abuse these things.It's just a fact of life.And don't give swim some preaching about going cold turkey and such!Did you ever think swim may have some sort of chemical imbalance and simply can't even feel normal or go about his day without opiates?They are the only thing that makes life worth living,this is not a sympathy ploy this is fact.Swim has enough problems in his life right now and the last thing he needs is someone preaching to him about how bad his addiction is!No one should have to go cold turkey!If something actually helps a person (opiates can help with more than just physical pain they also help with emotional)than a person should be able to have them legally and safely.Swim certainly wouldn't even have to look at fentanyl if he could be prescribed pharmaceutical heroin.But you know?Swim doesn't really even have to explain himself to you.

[MrJim]

Thread Cleaned. Lets stay on subject here, please. Start a different thread for a different subject.

[Johnny_X]

I didn't mean "inner" material.

I mean the patch consists basically of three layers. The adhesive side which I just referred to as "inner" material. The plastic on the outside or opposite side and the gel that runs freely between these layers.

She had to cut a corner of the patch to remove the gel, let it dry as explained in referring post and smoke.

Sorry.. hope that explains better.