How to abuse Fentanyl Patches

[will]

Ok, my friend has done some research about possible ways to abuse fentanyl patches but wants to run them by someone here before doing so.He hasUTFSE on this forum and found some good info, but is too scared of injecting and would prefer to eat the gel. According to the box, these patches claim to deliver 100 mcg / hour for 3 days. Andhe is sure there must be some drug remaining in the patch even after 3 days. So he estimated that a 100 mcg patch contains somewhere around 8000 mcg per patch. Now, he is wondering if this drug is distributed evenly throughout the patch?? If so, would freezing the patches and thenmeasuring and dividingthem into 8 even portions be an accurate way to measure out 1000 mcg of fentanyl?? After doing this my friend will not simply eat the pieces because of the poor bioavailability of the drug. Which would have the greatest bioavailability: sub-lingual or buccal?? Could you treat the gel pieces like they were actiq lollipops and simply hold the gel peices between your cheeks and gums and let the drug be absorbed?? Is this a safe way of injesting the fentanyl, or will some of the excipients in the gel cause any serious problems???


My friend thanks you in advance for any information

[Red_Baran]

this is a really good way to kill your self, from my understanding there really isn’t a good way to measure Fentanyl because the dosage is so so low and if you take even a little to much it can kill you, swim has seen it first hand please do not fuck with Fentanyl that way! the best way is just to put the patch on, but i believe that 100 mcg will prob kill you. 100 mcg of Fentanyl = 200Mg of oxy. Or about 400Mg of Morphine

Please do not screw with these patches in less you have a very high tolerance

[will]

Thanks for the reply. I would be interested to find out where you got your data. Most of the resources that i looked at said that oral transmucosal fentanyl had a potency of approx. 100 times that of oralmorphine, that would make a 1000mcg gel peice equal to 100 mg of IR oralmorphine. That is still too large of a dose for people who aren't opioid tolerant (like my friend) but do you really think that you will get 100% bioavailability from an injestedpatch that is meant to be used transdermally?? I guess what i am asking, is my method an accurate way to get a fairly good idea of the dose, and besides the risk of overdose, will eating (transmucousally) the patch cause any additional problems??

[Red_Baran]

no the you will not get 100% bioavailability, i did a search and came up with this "Its oral bioavailability was found to be only 1.5%"

[Jasim]

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[Jatelka]

Most of the discussions on fentanyl patches can be found here: fentanyl

[QGdoxl]

Is it possible to dilute the gel in alcohol? say for instance if you had a 100 mcg/h patch which contains 10mg fentanyl, and 1 litre of
everclear, disolve the one into the other and it is now easier to measure it out.

For the record I have never tried this, and am not sure if it would even work. Heck I don't even know what size dose to take even if I could accuratly measure.

[will]

If you eat / drink the gel you will lose most of the drug to first-pass metabolism. Fentanyl has extremely poor oral bioavailability.

[Johnny_X]

Originally Posted by unreality8

THIS IS THE BEST WAY TO GET HIGH OFF FENTANYL PATCHES:

Squeeze out all the gel from the patch into a spoon or on a plate. Let the liquid dry out
slowly. It takes awhile. You can gently heat the spoon with a lighter, but don't let it boil or get too hot. When the gel evaporates, you are left with white crystals. Scrap the crystals off the spoon. Take a very small amount, like the size of a match head, and put the crystals on a screen in a pipe. Then smoke the shit. It will get you higher than you can ever imagine. Better than heroin. You can get about 10 big hits out of one 100mcg patch.

A friend of mine tried this method after my finding it here for her.

She has legitimate pain issues and prescriptions for sandoz fentanyl patches and found this method absolutely worthless. She has been using the patches for 6 months( 250 or 2-100s and 1-50 every three days) exactly as prescribed, but now has tolerance for the medicine and is looking for other ways of taking her prescription until her next doctor appointment.

I know this is an old thread, but am curious if anyone has any other ideas that I might be able to relay to her. She is in severe pain and I'd like to get her some kind of help to get her through until her next appointment in 2 weeks.

She has tried smoking some of her oxycontin that she gets for breakthrough pain, but says the fentanyl helps her more than that.

Any more suggestions or ideas? I've read all of the posts in this thread, but alas most of the posts appear to be more geared to the other kind of patches that are able to be cut up. She has the kind that is kind of like a pillow with the gel flowing freely in between the outer plastic and the inner material with the adhesive.

She does not want to inject anything.

Thanks in advance!

[pharmapsyche]

All I have to say is, whoa buddy. I wouldn't tamper with fentanyl patches unless I.. well, I never would. Maybe I'm saying this because I've never had an experience with fentanyl and only know what I've read. And I've read that fentanyl is 1000x more potent then diacetylmorphine, which makes it too dangerous to get creative with. Be careful! Why not just wear the patch?

[BlackCook]

Friend of mine did inject the ones named Durogesic.
He just cut them in half, poored the inside on a spoon, put some vitamine C and water on it, cooked it, sucked it up through a filter and voila.
He said it was the best he ever did.
but he was used to very high dosages of other opiates, so i do not know if its good to everybody...

he first did use a patch with 50mcg/hour for one shot (yes the whole patch) and after a few days needed the 100mcg/hour patches to get a kick from it...you see...the dosages arte getting higher very fast..

by the way: the gel (dont know the word in english, sorry) inside the patch was completely dissolved in the water/acid-solution without problems...

[u4ic]

Wow, thats one hell of a tolerance. That dose could kill an opiate naive individual. A typical dose of fentanyl for IV is like 100 mcgs not 10 mg! Those patches are 72 hours worth of medicine intended for opiate tolerant patients. Those things are no joke. Most swims get sick when attempting oral use of the patches. To be reserved for opiate TOLERANT people.

[BlackCook]

as i said...he is very tolerant.

I would definitively NOT advise this to anyone!

[XCorruptX]

Alright hey, well I don't know if I have much knowledge... but my friend has experiece with the fentanyl patches for about a year he's used the patch every now and then. And this is some strong stuff, and he just wears it because that's the only way he even knows about doing it... then I heard about someone OD'ing and died from one, because they ate all the gel, in my area on the news other than that I just heard of some people doing that never known any and it sounds kinda dangerous to me. But anyway my friend started out doing the 50 mcgs and that f**ked him up just by wearing it and just wearing a 100 mcgs probably woulda been way too much for him when just starting out but he moved on to that after doing the 50's a few times and it's really strong. This seriously is not to be messed with just wearing one fucks him up and is risky enough so he doesn't see any reason to try any of those other ways wearing it seems to be fine... that's just how he feels from his experience using them though... but I'd still like to hear what other people have to say and I have a questionFor cutting like a 100mcgs patch in half how should my friend store it so that it doesn't get ruined because he's done it a few times before after being stored it worked a couple times but also it got ruined once or twice.So never knew if there was a way to do it please let me know thanks.

[dafentkid]

if your patch has a hole in it,cover it with tape and store it in the package it came in(at room temp),folding the opened end over three or four times,if you don't have the pckge it came in, put it in tin foil

[dafentkid]

store your patches at room temp,do not refrigerate,if you have already done so, it probably will not affect em,but i have a script for fent and it says right on the box,do not refrigerate,temp can have adverse affects on the patches,i used to store used patches for months at room temp before making use of them

[CrookedEye]

I also have read that it contains some chemical that can damage your liver, but I cannot seem to recall where I read this.. It's possible it was some propaganda to stop abuse of the patches, however, it did sound like a possibility.. I would love to hear if anyone else has heard about this, and/or if they have a source of information concerning this.. Thanks!!

[rocco_blitz]

Originally Posted by CrookedEye

I also have read that it contains some chemical that can damage your liver, but I cannot seem to recall where I read this.. It's possible it was some propaganda to stop abuse of the patches, however, it did sound like a possibility.. I would love to hear if anyone else has heard about this, and/or if they have a source of information concerning this.. Thanks!!

In most and all cases swim has read up on this and the only thing that is potentialy dangerious is the alcohol in them which is only 0.2 mL of it,All its purpose it to increase the rate of fentanyl through the rate-limintimg copolymer membrane and increases the permeability of the skin to fentanyl.Basically helps absord it over the 72 hour frame.The alcohol helps the variation is dose deleived among people with the nominal flux of the system being 25,50,75,100,mcg of fentanyl per hour is sufficiently accurate as to allow the person titration of dosage for a given person.Alot more on this but its alot and from what swim has researched there is nothing other than the drug itself that could be potentionally harmfull.

[allyourbase]

I have the sandoz. lable says that the patches contain only USP alchohol and fentanyl. the material is liquid not gel I dont see how it could harm somone to take a measured amount orally, unless theyre not very good at measuring

there are 7.2 mg give or take divvied up into 0.4 ml so .005ml seems to be the ticket.

[788.4]

That would be .09 mg, correct? That sounds like a very high dose for a non tolerant user. Be carefull.. I think I may have read somewhere that .05 mg is considered to be a enough for a single dose, but I cannot say for a fact that it is safe to take that much.

[junglistNside]

people do open the patches and dilute , mostly because the gel is too thick to IV and then IV a whole 100 patch. I guess it must be that they are very tolerant users because they don't seem to even get very high let alone OD. This is first hand eyewitness not hear/say. However I have heard of people ODing by wearing several patches at once. This is btw hear/say I never new anyone who had this happen.

[Forthesevenlakes]

true, the analog factor is something to keep in mind. but most SWIYs will only have access to regular fentanyl, unless they are making it themselves or have access to elephant tranquilizers.

[rte148]

Having been on a combo of Duragesic and Actiq for 4 years now, I think I have a pretty good idea of the ups and downs of Fentanyl. So, in short:

Don't fuck around with Fentanyl, it is EXTREMELY addictive and potentially dangerous. No shit, the withdrawals are HORRIBLE.

[Forthesevenlakes]

thanks rte. no one here has ever used fentanyl though. only our friend swim. and yes, the addiction potential and danger is through the roof on this one, and not reccomended to anyone. however, swim would rather someone attempt to be safe and take precautions with the patches if they are going to abuse them anyway.

[trial-x]

How addictive is Fentanyl? Can anyone be more precise?