Pot & the religious freedom act of 1993

[BEEKSc1]

i posted on the law and order page of this site about my religion, the thc-ministry, and received very negative responces. i just would like to receive some feedback from others whether or not you have heard ofthe thc-ministryor if you think that the religious freedom act of 1993 doesn't cover the sacred herb.

[The_Great_Sage]

i dont know about the religous freedom act but i know there will be a way to eventually fuck over the goverment i support your cause man

[Woodman]

Roger Christy = doing the lords work.

I live in same state & heard about it.

Who says "negative" things? That's not nice!

I don't know what the act does and does not cover.

Please explain so we can all understand.Edited by: woodman

[BEEKSc1]

Roger Christie, exactly


i posted on the law and order page, and a person wrote this...


"Don't kid yourself. There is no religion the us that can use mj and is protected under the freedom of religion act of 1992. Quit spreading this B.S. and false info "


and this "You got that right. [SN EDITED OUT], there's no way that the US is going to allow any religion practice MJ smoking sacrament, but that doesn't mean that the information is necesarily wrong; just that they won't be openning a US chapter anytime soon."


i love it when people prove their stupidity (1992), it just frustrated me that hereferred tomy religion asBS


http://www.thc-ministry.organdhttp:/...c-ministry.net


have the most info but here's a summary of how i can smoke, grow, and administer cannabis to anyone in my home


Religious rights and freedoms are
granted by the Creator to all of us
and protected by law in every country on earth.

Every state in the United States of America
also has its own religious freedom
provisions in their
State Constitution and Bill of Rights.


We are sincere user’s of cannabis for religious purposes


we believe that cannabis is the original sacrament of Christianity in addition too numerous other Religions and fulfills the prophecies to “feed all our hungers”. We also believe cannabis is one of the main ingredients in the original Anointing Oil, as described in The Holy Bible.


The thc-ministry and roger chistie can also be found on wikipedia.org. good stuff, check it out Edited by: buekerc1

[BEEKSc1]

you might also find this interesting


http://www.csulb.edu/~crsmith/indian2.html


"In a February, 1996 decision concerning the Rastafarians' use of marijuana as a sacrament, the Ninth U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals overturned three marijuana possession convictions in Montana because the judge had barred evidence of the defendants' religious views. The ruling cited the 1993 act."Edited by: buekerc1

[sunyata]

I think the religious freedom act of 1993 covers the use of any herb or chemical, but unfortunately it's not up to me. Thegovernments interpret the laws differently, and they have that power.But since that law states that everyone is entitled to the same rights regardless of religion, it means that ayahuascha is legal for anyone in those countries where the Santo Daimes useof it has been legalised. It should also mean that use of peyote isn't restricted to native americans, butcan be consumed by all americans. Butlike I said, it's not up to me.

[Woodman]

Yup.
That's right!

Some Hindu sects have been using the herb for
thousands of years.

[BEEKSc1]

yea ultimately it's up to big brother, but thc thc ministry community has a message board and members to post if a situation every escalates to a court case. so far out the 50 or so situations, all members had the nessecary paper work to prove their sencerity to the use of the sacred herb religiously

[BEEKSc1]

the message board can be found at
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edited by: Woodman

Those links have been removed.

I'm all for supporting your cause, buekerc1, but
please contact the administrator before you post any
links, ESPECIALLY to other forums or message
boards.
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to read our public message boardsand see that i
am (as thousands are) a cannabis sacrament
minister.



it's not the act that denies our freedom, we have to
have tangible proof of our religion. that's where the
word sencere comes into play. knowingly smoking a
substance that is illegal without having proper proof
of religous reasons, seems to be irresponcible. we
just havethe proper paper work, became a minister
(http://www.ulc.org),
and received a marriage lisense. roger chistie fills
out appropriate paper work for becoming a
administer of cannabis

Edited by: buekerc1

[sunyata]

Can non-americans join that church?

[BEEKSc1]

hella right on that one, thc-ministry is established (originally in the Neatherlands, go figure)in 12 different countries. roger chistie appliedto the state of hawaii in 2000 and was granted to become the first cannabis sacrament minister in the us and sights the religious freedom act of 1993 signed on the november 16 of that year. he fills out appropriate paper work and provides proper proof of sincere use of our sacred herb.

[The_Great_Sage]

i support the cause and think its an awesome idea to try to push the legalization of it but i think that its something that you have to be committed to be involved with ALL THE TIME and it requires alot of things that i would rather not do and take my risk of doing it illegally and what other stuff is involved with saying you do it religously i mean there cant be a religion that just sits around and smoke can there?

[BEEKSc1]

umm pretty much. it clearly state's in the hawaii revised statutes (HRS) - PART IV - Section 712-1240


PART IV. OFFENSES RELATED TO DRUGS AND INTOXICATING


COMPOUNDS


§712-1240 Definitions of terms in this part. In this part, unless a different meaning plainly is required:


"Practitioner" means
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(1) A physician, dentist, veterinarian, scientific investigator, or other person licensed, registered, or otherwise permitted to distribute, dispense, prescribe, conduct research with respect to or to administer a controlled substance in the course of professional practice or research in this State.


(2) A pharmacy, hospital, or other institution licensed, registered, or otherwise permitted to distribute, dispense, prescribe, conduct research with respect to or to administer a controlled substance in the course of professional practice or research in this State.</DIR></DIR></DIR></DIR>


[L 1972, c 9, pt of §1; am L 1975, c 163, §6(a), (b); am L 1979, c 112, §2; am L 1984, c 122, §2; am L 1987, c 176, §6 and c 356, §1; am L 1997, c 319, §1]


and about the the all the time part thing, i am a full time student and word 20 hours a week, it's a totally individualized, you practicing when you have time, you sent up a place to be your sanctuary (roger christie sends you a legal document and pages on pages of documentation that shows you knowledge ab the sacred herb.) if you just check it out, you might able to convinence yourself that this is the real deal. catholics received religious pardon duringprohibition with alcohol.different time, different sacrament, same conceptEdited by: buekerc1

[Solidly-here]

Religious Freedom ... but from BEFORE the law was passed.


In the past, other proud Religious Zealots have attempted to make pot their sacred sacrament. They hired attorneys, and sued to protect their right to perform their ceremony.


The Courts have struck them down. The reason: IF, someone had started their Religion before 1937 (when marijuana was first regulated), THEN, it might be legal. But, in your case, you began your Religion using something that was already illegal. You have been breaking a valid law, and then determined that it is your sacrament.


So, if you happen to have a Grandfather who began a pot-sacrament sect 70 years ago, then GO FOR IT.


There is a Religious sect in Texas. They use DMT (in a brew) in their ceremony (although they began outside of the USA). They are in the process of litigating their right to continue the years-old ceremony in the USA. I hope it goes well for them.

[Nature Boy]

I'm not a religious person, but with all due respect, if you guys get away with smoking pot freely and the rest of us stay in prohibition, something is damn wrong!!

[JewishNazi]

check this out:

http://www.uq.net.au/slsoc/manussa/un_rel_1.htm



Can i use what is written in that to aid my arguement for my right to
use marijuana as a religious sacrament (especially Article 6c)



would the thc minitry's power stretch all the way into australia?



any fellow australians who are part of the ministry?

[polloloco001]

theoretically could you go to whatever place in the world has the most
drugs legalized, start a religion, write a holy book explaining that
all drugs legal in that country are your sacred methods of
communicating with god, and then open a chapter of your church in the
US and cite the law to escape punishment? because its not like you just
started a religion so you could use drugs after the law was passed, you
started a religion in another country where your sacred rituals were
legal and then wanted to relocate and retain your religious freedom.

[JewishNazi]

I like that thought pattern but im pretty sure it wont hold up

[BEEKSc1]

yea i'm pretty sure anyone from any country can join

[Alfa]

83 KILOGRAMS OF POT NEEDED FOR RELIGIOUS RITE, CHARGED NATIVE SAYS


VANCOUVER -- A widely known B.C. native dancer charged with smuggling


83 kilograms of marijuana across the Canadian-U.S. border says the illegal drug was for use in a religious ceremony at an American Indian reservation.


U.S. border guards found the marijuana on Sunday in two motor homes crossing the border at Sumas, Wash. Ranger Oppenheim, who is in his 30s, was driving one of the vehicles, which were carrying nine people.


Mr. Oppenheim said he knew marijuana was in the motor home, according to the formal complaint filed in U.S. District Court in Seattle.


When questioned by a special agent from the U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement Agency, he said the group of seven adult natives and two children was going to a peyote ceremony at the Lummi Indian Reservation, about 30 kilometres south of the border.


Mr. Oppenheim told the U.S. agent that all of the marijuana was for use at a ceremony where peyote is used for religious purposes, the document states.


All seven adults were charged with importing marijuana, and could face more than 10 years in prison if convicted.


Emily Langlie, a spokeswoman for the U.S. Attorney's office, said prosecutors in Seattle did not recall a previous case at the border in which people accused of smuggling asserted marijuana was for a peyote ceremony.


"I'm not sure we have ever seen one where someone is bringing it in for ceremonial or religious use," she said in a telephone interview.


Mr. Oppenheim lives on the Shacken Indian reserve, an isolated community of 25 homes about 130 kilometres southwest of Kamloops. He is a well-respected drummer and dancer who has performed at events in British Columbia and across the United States, a neighbour and a family member said yesterday in interviews.


Jimmy Toodlican, who lives next door to Mr. Oppenheim, said Mr.


Oppenheim goes to "powwows" to participate in competitions of traditional dancing and drumming. "He learned it from the elders. He used to run drumming groups," Mr. Toodlican said. "He goes wherever there is a powwow."


Mr. Oppenheim also makes traditional regalia for dancers and drummers, with eagle feathers and porcupine quills, he added.


"He's pretty well known, both north and south."


Mr. Oppenheim's cousin, Joan Seymour, said he has travelled to Arizona and New Mexico and to the eastern United States to perform as a traditional dancer. He stopped dancing after his father died a few years ago and did more drumming, she said, but has recently started dancing again.


Despite Mr. Oppenheim's comments to the border guards, a spokesman for the Lummi Nation said that the Lummi Indian Reservation does not welcome illegal drugs in its territory and that the Native American Church does not use marijuana in its peyote ceremonies.


"We have a community mobilization against drugs and alcohol,"


spokesman Jewell James said yesterday in a telephone interview.


"Our community and our leadership is committed to eliminating trafficking of narcotics and drugs into our community. This is an insult to the Lummi Nation. It's a disgrace to native American traditionalists and a disgrace to the Native American Church."


After a hard-fought battle for religious freedom, the Native American Church won the support of the U.S. Congress in the mid-1990s to use peyote as a sacrament in its ceremonies. Church members use peyote strictly according to ceremonial protocols, and not as a drug, Mr. James said.


He also said he had never heard of Mr. Oppenheim. "Whatever [those arrested at the border] were doing, it had nothing to do with those practising traditional methods of prayer," Mr. James said. "All members of the Native American Church would be deeply hurt when they hear this insult. . . . The American Native Church does not use marijuana in the peyote ceremony."


In the court document, U.S. Customs Enforcement Special Agent Shaun Smith states that five of the seven adults "confessed" to knowingly attempting to smuggle marijuana into the United States.


The marijuana was found in vacuum-sealed bags inside hockey bags, he stated. He heard different explanations from different people in the group. Some said they had come across the border with marijuana on several occasions and were paid for taking the trip. Others said the group was going to a religious ceremony.


A bail hearing for the seven Canadians is scheduled to be held today in Seattle.

[Alfa]

Threads merged.

[cashflow]

I'm pretty sure(bad memory) I was thinking the same thing at one point which was to find a religion that allowed weed so I could smoke legally however I came across some info I didn't liek much which basically said that religion is not an excuse for using substances and it is still illegal no matter your religion. Then I got to thinkin why the indians get to do there stuff and thats simply because they have a diff government pretty much.

Either way, if we are alowed to smoke weed for religion we should be alowed to grow/consume a plant if we want, I would get hella pissed if they legalized weed for religion, lol