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Old 17-06-2010, 20:14
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What is blue meth?

I'm not talking about meth that has been made to appear the color blue. It's a form of meth, significantly stronger than average glass/ice meth. If you've ever watched Breaking Bad, you'll know what I'm talking about. Although it's just a TV show, it really does exist.

First I just want to say that I've heard people talking about it long before that show ever aired, so I'm CERTAIN that it's out there. But what exactly is it that makes it so good?

Chemically, I mean. I know that it's basically meth that has been synthesized using phenylacetone and methlyamine to create the reaction of reductive amination to yeild meth, rather than more common methods that use ephedrine as the main catalyst.

However, I know that this method of production creates a 50/50 racemic mix of both D-meth and L-meth; from what I understand, L-meth is absolutely useless as a psychoactive, and that D-meth is the isomer of the chemical that causes main (if not all) effects from meth.


Ephedrine yeilds strictly D-meth, so ideally, it would have a more powerful and stronger buzz than a mixture of the two. Remember, this doesnt mean 50mg of DL-meth is the same as 25mg of D-meth. It would mean that a dose of DL-meth is really only half as potent as the strict D-


Does anyone wanna explain this shit to me?
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Old 17-06-2010, 21:12
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

SWIM did a google search and found this in numerous articles about seizures of Blue meth.

"Blue meth is essentially the same as regular methamphetamine. The blue coloring, however, is like a marker to let drug dealers and consumers know which group produced it."

"The substance was field tested but since the methamphetamine was already blue, and is supposed to turn blue when mixed with the reagent, they were not certain that it was positive for meth. Testing performed later on the substance revealed that the product was blue chalk mixed with a cut of some other material"

"It is still unknown why the meth is blue or what the color is supposed to indicate — high quality, a specific source, or possibly a method of production. In one report it was mentioned that because the substance was blue, it was difficult to field test, since it was supposed to turn blue when mixed with the reagent. It was later reported to be blue chalk.
There has also been speculation that the meth chemist was imitating the television series “Breaking Bad” (2008), a drama about a high school chemistry teacher who turns to cooking meth to pay for his cancer
treatment. His meth was blue and was supposed to be of high quality."


Doesn't look like there's any definitive reason or meaning behind such batches having this color.
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Old 17-06-2010, 21:40
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

But i had been hearing about this type of stuff years before breaking bad ever existed - one person i spoke to said he has only been able to find it in his native home of alaska, but says theres a remarkable difference in the effects. Duration is the same, but he said it gets you MUCH higher, with doses significantly smaller than what SWIY would normally do
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Old 17-06-2010, 22:03
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

SWIM has lots of experience with this stuff. It is commonly called "smurf dope". It doesn't look blue at first, it turns sky blue after it has been heated up a little. Drug dealers try to promote this shit as the better than best shit, when it is just ok dope. The blue coloring comes from not cleaning the pills all the way before cooking them (the ones that have other active ingrediants in them besides psuedo-). The blue really means that a shity cook made the dope. Most people think its better because its probably better than the dope they normally get. If it turns blue it is likely from a local cook, which means it went through less hands to get to the pipe. Which means less cut, and also a fresher product. The truth is it is an inferior product. The best shit is crystal clear with no color at all. The blue is an impurity. Smurf dope is a myth pushed by drug dealers to sell their product. And now with that TV show everybody is going to bite (they already did actually, this myth has been around for decades, but the TV show backs it up). Please, try to remember that TV is NOT REAL!!! SWIM will admit a lot on that show is pretty realistic, but it is not by any means THE TRUTH!!!

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Old 18-06-2010, 02:32
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

"I'm not talking about meth that has been made to appear the color blue. It's a form of meth, significantly stronger than average glass/ice meth. If you've ever watched Breaking Bad, you'll know what I'm talking about. Although it's just a TV show, it really does exist. "

If one were to use Methylamine as a precursor like in the show the end product would be racemic (50/50 Levo/Dextro) methamphetamine, which means it would be weaker than normal meth with harsher effects on the body. Just saying.
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Old 18-06-2010, 04:19
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

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If one were to use Methylamine as a precursor like in the show the end product would be racemic (50/50 Levo/Dextro) methamphetamine, which means it would be weaker than normal meth with harsher effects on the body. Just saying.

Good point. SWIM didn't think about this. Levo-methamphetamine is a vasoconstrictor and has little to no CNS activity so a racemic mixture would definitely be worse then pure Dextro.
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Old 18-06-2010, 05:13
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

The old broad realizes that this is not her normal area to hang out in, but saw the thread title and wanted to put her two cents in.

She never was that educated in the actual chemistry of her meth, but she does know that the 'blue dope' did exist, and it did exist long before the show ever did. She first saw it back in 1993 or 1994. The product (that she got) was coming from a local cook in her area in the pacific NW. However she doubts that this guy was the only one making it that way. She does know that they weren't using pseudo as a main, but cannot say for sure what it was that was being used.

But yes, it did exist, and no it wasn't THAT spectacular.
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Re: Who's seen "that blue shit" ?

So Swim Just got some of these large Blue, (not light blue) crystals And had not seen anything of this sort ever, with the exception of a few batches about 2 years ago that would have a blueish tint but only when it was liquid in the pipe. So Swim does know that it is some straight fire and even if it was not blue it would be some high end quality Sh1T-, so since its BLUE like very dark Blue, maybe a Trademark? or something. anyways Very good regardless of color by the way swim doesn't watch some bullsh1t- tv show even if it is based out of his home town.
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Re: What is blue meth?

Swim has only heard about "blue" meth. But swim has gotten some red meth. Swim was told that it was made using the red-phosphorus from match stick heads. And also heard this red-phosphorus method is a bit more dangerous (maybe not as dangerous as the cold packs method [taken from the Icy Hot Back reliever]{swiy knows--"icy to dull the pain" and "warm to soothe the pain"} ) but the red-phos is believed to have a higher yeild in the batch made.
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Old 07-10-2010, 11:34
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Re: What is blue meth?

swim has seen "blue" meth before from a local cook,it was made using colemans instead of ether,was good but had fuely smell when fresh.
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Re: What is blue meth?

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Swim has only heard about "blue" meth. But swim has gotten some red meth. Swim was told that it was made using the red-phosphorus from match stick heads. And also heard this red-phosphorus method is a bit more dangerous (maybe not as dangerous as the cold packs method [taken from the Icy Hot Back reliever]{swiy knows--"icy to dull the pain" and "warm to soothe the pain"} ) but the red-phos is believed to have a higher yeild in the batch made.
Swim has smoked red/champagne meth before, and yes it is made using red-phosphorus, but the end product should not be red, it usually means the cook has not washed all the RP out in the synthesis. I have also heard that it is a more dangerous method for beginners or people who don't know what there doing.

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swim has also only heard of "Blue Meth" never actually seen it. Could someone please explain why it would be hypothetically better product or get you higher? thanks

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Old 07-10-2010, 14:56
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Re: What is blue meth?

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Swim has smoked red/champagne meth before, and yes it is made using red-phosphorus, but the end product should not be red, it usually means the cook has not washed all the RP out in the synthesis. I have also heard that it is a more dangerous method for beginners or people who don't know what there doing.
I was under the impression that red/pink meth was from the Cook not properly cleaning the psuedo (for instance, Sudafed is red, as are many generic formulations), NOT from the red phosphorus. Blue meth would presumably be from similar contaminates, only using starting products with blue in them that weren't properly cleaned.

Also, as mentioned, color in normally clear/white drugs could be from purposeful "contaminates" towards the end of the process, used as a sort of marker of *cough* high quality or whatever. Examples: strawberry cocaine, strawberry/champagne methamphetamine, etc.

Clarification from someone more knowledgeable?

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Re: What is blue meth?

There is very likely and probably explanation as to why "blue meth" may be viewed as stronger in some areas.

"White meth", simply put, is easier to mix with other similar crystalline substances. Therefore, people may be getting product which have only 10-20% meth in it, the rest being adulterants.

With "blue meth", its significantly harder to find blue crystalline substances to mix with it. Therefore, even though as you say its a 50/50 racemic mix of both D-meth and L-meth, a user used to taking inferior products containing much lower amount of actual methamphetamine, would find a 50%-pure product phenomenal.

In SWIM's area, blue meth has always been stronger than white meth.
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Re: What is blue meth?

this is a ridiculous argument. Methamphetamine when pure is a white crystalline powder (from crash xtallization by neutralization in IPA and flooding with acetone or layering with ether, very fast) or an opaque xtal (xtallized from alcohol medium speed) or a glass like crystal [shards are from broken windshields, if i hear one more person say that word i will kill the next puppy i see](from slow controlled crystallization from water or a water/ethanol mix).

color occurs when a chromophore, or molecule with resonance capable double bonds, conjugated double bonds, absorb and emit light of the color which coordinates with the molecules structure. An aromatic ring is not a chromophore, nor is a isopropylamine group, therefore, methamphetamine, of which there is but ONE type....with stereochemistry obviously, in no way will be blue, period.

there is no, super space meth that is inherently blue, blue meth is not different in chemistry to white meth, however the chemist does a trick which makes it so much more powerful. There is a reagent out there so powerful that when applied the meth during the xtallization it causes a change with such enhanced effect that the mere sight of the blue meth makes people get higher. and this is a secret people so don't rat.............that reagent, is called, .........blue food coloring. I've used this procedure because it makes no minds think they've got something special created in a military mk ultra lab, red, yellow, green, purple was huge, of course it always "came straight from amsterdam" too.

don't be so gullible people, we've been exploiting your eagerness to be the one to find a special new drug for decades and will continue to do so until someone finally calls our bluff.

red color does not come from using colemans instead of ether (blind leading the blind) that is simply an extraction solvent. red color comes from doing a water and hcl wash out on the extract solvent and evaporating the water down quickly with heat, red tars form and it becomes gooey, when treated with ether or acetone to solidify it the redness stays unless its undergoes and acid base partition.

riddle: a guy is busted with some blue meth, solid smokable 100% pure meth base, meth straight from holland and a bag of regular old tweaker surprise delux xtal meth. what will the cops charge him with possession of?

the tweaker surprise.........cuz the other three are figments of your fucking imagination.

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Re: What is blue meth?

AFOAF's dad tried it and said it was definitely more potent than any ice he'd had recently (did meth a lot in the early 90s, then quit, got married, then started again when he got divorced in April of 2010). He said meth was, overall, better quality 'back in the day,' but blue ice was the best ice he'd had since he started again.

Shake and bake (powder meth) is a different story, though. AFOAF's uncle cooks shake and bake, and his meth is easily the strongest AFOAF has ever done (saying this after saying he would take ice over shake and bake any day).

tl;dr: According to AFOAF's dad, blue ice is significantly better than any ice he has recently done.
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Re: What is blue meth?

Sounds to me like Anhydrous often called Annie. Gots all the good stuff in it... Lithium,Either and of course Ephedrine....its also know as Nazi dope since its what Hitler was addicted to and gave his soldiers.
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Old 07-02-2011, 06:16
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Re: What is blue meth?

I heard that it contains some kind of substance that is useful to the cops. Like if you smoked it then they can somehow detect it. Does this sound crazy?
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I heard that it contains some kind of substance that is useful to the cops. Like if you smoked it then they can somehow detect it. Does this sound crazy?
Completely false when it comes to what makes it blue, but my pet elephant heard something like that once to about something so cops could detect and it was long ago but it was a chemical that caused body ticks to happen (uncontrolled body twitches and movements)
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Completely false when it comes to what makes it blue, but my pet elephant heard something like that once to about something so cops could detect and it was long ago but it was a chemical that caused body ticks to happen (uncontrolled body twitches and movements)
Isn't twitching a natural reaction to meth?
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ROFL.... Swims says No and if it makes you twitch with a nervous Tick then you need to stop doing it because that is not a good thing. Swim in his 14 years of using and 10 years IV using he has never once had a twitch and has seen many ppl that do and in the end it dont work out for those ppl, On a side note coming down and being high has its own side effects like jaw clenching and things like that but you should never get a nervous Tick. That indicates there is to much stress on your nervous system.
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Does any one have any pictures to add to this thread? As so far no one has posted any sort of hard evidence.
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Re: What is blue meth?

Smurf Dope

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Swim has only heard about "blue" meth. But swim has gotten some red meth. Swim was told that it was made using the red-phosphorus from match stick heads. And also heard this red-phosphorus method is a bit more dangerous (maybe not as dangerous as the cold packs method [taken from the Icy Hot Back reliever]{swiy knows--"icy to dull the pain" and "warm to soothe the pain"} ) but the red-phos is believed to have a higher yeild in the batch made.
Red phosphorus doesn't come from match heads, it comes from the striker strips on the matchbook.

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Sounds to me like Anhydrous often called Annie. Gots all the good stuff in it... Lithium,Either and of course Ephedrine....its also know as Nazi dope since its what Hitler was addicted to and gave his soldiers.
Check your history and your chemistry. You may discover that "Nazi dope" is something completely different. You got the Ephedrine right, so one out of three isn't....well, no need to go there. Hitler was fond of biphetamine, morphine, and a few other things, but one doubts he used lithium aluminum hydroxide and ether to produce methamphetamine.

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Re: What is blue meth?

I thought the lithium/ammonia method was first patented by a German chemist. Thus the "nazi dope" name.
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Re: What is blue meth?

My friend Nanook (who is being a bit of a shit-head tonight, for some reason), claims that a dark red color was indicative of the red phosphorus not being completely washed out, while a finished product that was pink was the result of the red dye on the sudafed 30's ("red hots") not being removed prior to pulling the pseudoephedrine.

The blue color, according to his friend-St. Alphonso, comes from cobalt blue, which was a dye in some brands of pills, and also comes from not removing the dye prior to pulling PSE.

St. Alphonso also says that a blue or blue-ish color will result if a reaction is done in a copper-bottomed pot, rather than in glass.

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I thought the lithium/ammonia method was first patented by a German chemist. Thus the "nazi dope" name.
Lithium, yes. That would be the Birch reduction. Nanook has his head up his ass tonight and was on a completely different tangent. My humble apologies to portaldweller, no misinformation was intended. Nanook will check himself, rather than advise others to do so. Thank you MP, for correcting one before he became completely stupid!

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