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Old 16-06-2010, 20:54
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How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

Hello everyone, swim has been using kratom for a year or so now to stay off of harder stuff, and still enjoy life

It's been working well by the way, swim is about to make a detailed post in the Kratom area.

Swim recently got a hold of 10 e655 60mg morphine (i believe) pills.

Swim has never used these before, and used exclusively m357 5mg hydrocodone pills. Swim generally takes 4-6 of these at a time when he uses. (20-30 mg hydrocodone)

What is a good starting area for the morphine pills? Swim should parachute them correct.

Thanks a lot, swim would really appreciate the info!
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Old 16-06-2010, 21:02
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

I have a much similiar question and could also really use some help. Lately my friend has been taking 20-25 mg of hyrocodone and he recently got his hands on a MS Contin 30 mg pill. He is just wondering if he can safely take this without having to worry about anything. He weighs 145 lbs. He is sure he will be fine and you guys will say its ok, he just wants to here it from the more experienced users than himself.

Oh and my friend can just swallow right? Does he HAVE to snort it or can he just take it orally? Also, i heard u can let it dissolve under ur tounge?

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Old 16-06-2010, 21:08
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

Unfortunately morphine does not break down well taken orally or even snorted. Morphine also, in swims opinion anyways, has a rather sleepy state and less euphoric state. If you were used to say 10mg of hydro, I would say you probably should take about 20mg of morphine orally.

Banging morphine is the best way to take it, as it will get practically all of it in your system... The next best method would be plugging it. Snorting and eating are about the same.
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Old 16-06-2010, 21:37
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

Swim would say it depends on how much and how often one takes other opiates. Tolerance can play quite a big factor. Also as death&decay mentioned the oral bioavailability of morphine is pretty low (around 20%) so even though mg for mg morphine is stronger than things like hydrocodone, a higher oral dose may be needed. Swim always suggests starting low and working up when trying an unfamiliar substance for the first time.

If one is opiate naive then 10-20mg should be a good starter. If one has a bit of opiate tolerance and is used to taking 20-30mg of hydrocodone (as stated in the OP) then start from anywhere between 30-60mg and see how one gets on. These are just oral doses. If one is looking to IV then Swim would say lowering it way down to about 5mg as a starting point as morphine is very potent, its just the effects are weak when taken orally.

If taking orally then the last thing to consider if they are IR (instant release) or ER (extended/continuis release). If they are IR, then no probs. If they are ER and one wants to feel the full effects of the dose at once, then crushing the tabs to break the time release may be an idea.

Just remember and be careful. Morphine is potent/strong stuff (about half the strength of diamorphine which is basically pharma heroin) and can effect everyone differently. Remember and start slow and work up. You can always take more, but its difficult to go back once too much has been taken.

Good luck and stay safe

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Old 17-06-2010, 00:08
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

That's about what swim expected, and will probably start at 30 and bump up 15mg if thats not enough, and call it quits if thats no good. Better not high and bored than sick as a dog and flying!

Would swim be better off doing a TP parachute, or mixing in water? Swim has used kratom to keep the daily monkey off his back, no way in hell is swim going to start banging morphine lol.

Thanks again fellow swimmers.

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Old 17-06-2010, 00:20
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

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That's about what swim expected, and will probably start at 30 and bump up 15mg if thats not enough, and call it quits if thats no good. Better not high and bored than sick as a dog and flying!

Would swim be better off doing a TP parachute, or mixing in water? Swim has used kratom to keep the daily monkey off his back, no way in hell is swim going to start banging morphine lol.

Thanks again fellow swimmers.
Well the idea would be to increase until Swiy finds a happy-medium between not high and sick as a dog.

If its Instant Release then Swim would personally mix it in some water and let it dissolve for 5-10 mins and then consume. It should hit harder and faster this way. In Swims personal experience, Extended release stuff doesnt really seem to dissolve very well in water and just floats on the top and doesn't seperate. Swim would just crush it and parachute it, although sticking it in water wouldn't be any less effective.

If Swiy is quite experienced with hydrocodone, then Swim would say one may need nearer the 60mg mark, but swim would still recommend starting low-ish and increasing every 30-45 mins.
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Old 17-06-2010, 20:52
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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

Can swim smoke morphine 30 mg? Swim is used to smoking a couple roxicet (oxycodone/acetaminophen) and splitting them with her bf, and sometimes snorting some along with it. And if it is a good method, how good is it compared to snorting or taking it orally?

battonbutterfly added 3 Minutes and 32 Seconds later...

and also, what is banging? this is a term swim hasn't heard of in her area

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Re: How much morphine for frequent Vicodin user?

SWIM had 6 zomorphs 10mg and he decided to plug them. In his kitchen drawer he found a plastic pipette. It's like a miniature turkey baster and it certainly basted this turkey despite him taking 500mg tramadol per day.

He emptied the capsules out into a desert spoon and crushed the tiny balls of morph with a teaspoon. This person then dropped a few ml of warm water on the powder, stirred and drew it up.

He was used to doing coffee enemas so he felt confident about the next bit. So now he seems mellow and feels he did a decent job.

What a smug bastard he is.

hj

PS Banging is fixing where I come from.

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