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Old 15-06-2010, 06:52
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Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

Percocets are IR and OxyContins are ER. Yet, SWIM sees people preferring OxyContins not only due to lack of acetominophen in them and snortability, but also due to the high. Wouldn't IR pills be preferred due to giving a higher peak high and acting faster?
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Old 15-06-2010, 06:59
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

it depends if swim keeps the coating on the oxycontin or if swim rails is or smokes it. By smoking it, it will immediately hit o produce a really sedative high, but it won't last much longer, unless swim keeps smoking it lol

IR= instant release / ER= extended release ... who wouldn't want a longer and more powerful high? There are no other pills that compare to 80mg oxycontin. truuuust.

...well maybe opana 40mg... those are pretty bomb too.
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Old 15-06-2010, 09:07
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

Swim recently wondered the same thing. He had never done an OC before a few weeks ago. He had only been getting 30mg IR's. Anyway, Swims friend said that oc's were more expensive per mg and Swim argued that that shouldnt be because the "pay dirt" (oxycodone) is the same in both. However, a week later SWIM came across #12 15mg OC's. Needless to say he got them for $60 worth of grass. Swim figured that if he normally did half of a 30 mg Roxi, a whole 15mg (railed) would be the same. But being the cautious swimmer he is, he only did half and felt 2x the effects as 15 mg of IR. Swim still has no clue why this is but he immediately decided that OC's are superior to IRs (when snorted) IHO. It may have had something to do with the manufacturers supply of oxycodone and method of making the pills. Perhaps, Purdue Pharma (makers of OC) have a better quality supply and/or better methods of ensuring the correct amount goes into each pill. But who knows, honestly if this was a poll it would probably be 50/50, as with most Opiates. To each his own!!
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Old 15-06-2010, 09:46
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

SWIM has always wondered this as well. Like SWIY stated, Percocets are less preferable, not only because the acetaminophen contained in the pill makes them impossible to dissolve and inject, if that is what SWIY wants to do, but also because the amount of oxycodone is relatively low (5-10 mg) compared to OxyContin.

However, regardless of the pill (unless it has a timed-release coating that is difficult/impossible to bypass) oxycodone IS oxycodone, and it seems like many SWIYers and SWIMmers make OxyContin seem like THE only pill to take if SWIY wants oxycodone, when in reality, Roxicodone comes in relatively large doses (up to 30 mg), is IR and thus, has no timed-release coating/structure to counteract, and is MUCH easier to procure, as SWIM finds it nearly impossible to obtain OCs these days (which SWIM feels are often grossly overpriced/overrated anyways) after all the hype about abuse and addiction.

SWIM's monkey has always considered Roxicodone to be the best, due to the availability and low cost, although anything containing oxycodone, whether it is Percocet or OC, will still work. In addition, SWIM's monkey rarely takes Roxicodone/generic IR oxycodone any other way besides orally as a pill (not crushed) as oxycodone's highest bioavailability is actually oral, not IV/IM/Intranasal. Overall, SWIM feels that many SWIYers put too much emphasis on OxyContin as a brand-name version or whatever, when anything containing oxycodone is equivalent when considered per mg/mg of SWIY's dose. That being said, SWIM's monkey has always considered OxyContin a needless hassle, despite the large amount of oxycodone, if an equivalent amount (in mg) of IR oxycodone (preferably plain, but Percocet also works) is available.

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Old 15-06-2010, 10:15
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

Well first of all, like Holly said, IR oxycodone usually has acetaminophen in it. This makes it a pain in the ass to snort, a bitch to extract if you want to take several, and nearly impossible to shoot. They also usually come in less mgs, which means less goodies and more bullshit per pill. SWIM believes Percocets come in 5, 7.5, and 10mgs only and are loaded with acetaminophen.

OC's on the other hand, come in up to 80mgs per pill and have no acetaminophen, so no need to extract anything. In order to mess with the time release mechanism, all one has to do is crush it, and there is more oxycodone in less powder. This makes it very easy to snort, shoot, or otherwise abuse

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Please provide source for claiming IR oxycodone "usually" contains aceteminophen. Not entirely true, depends on the manufacturer.
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Old 17-06-2010, 17:41
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

Swim also agrees with Holly. First of all, swim thinks way too many people are quick to crush/snort pills. There is really no reason for this. You can really get the most out of your pills if you just eat them the way they are. There is no reason for any of that other nonsense. Of course if you are an iv drug user, then that rush you seek is not going to be available from just swallowing a pill but personally, swim doesn't use needles. Swim has snorted things time and time again to experiment but these days he finds it is best with pain killers, just to swallow them whole. After getting a good taste of percocets, roxi's, AND oc's, swim has realized that for the money, it's usually best to get the roxi's. OC's, while being great for a longer lasting buzz, usually require that you take about twice as much, milligrams-wise, as one would with roxi or percocet, since with OC's, the milligrams are spread out slowly and it is harder to actually feel them. However, if one could get the same effect from either pill, swim would prefer the OC, because he loves the long lasting buzz and the fact that there isn't reason to re-dose in the same night usually. Personally though, if it isn't an 80 mg OC, swim would rather just buy the percocets or roxicodones. Some of the best nights swim has had with pain killers have come from the OC 80's, and swim has been eating painkillers heavily for over 10 years. Swim's girlfriend (now wife), used to get the OC 80's for xx dollars and swim would eat his whole and bite approximately 20 milligrams off of his girlfriend's pill, giving swim about 100 mg's and his gf about 60 mg's. Swim would then start drinking beer and have a wonderful night. At xx dollars for an OC 80, this was the way to go. Cost is always going to play a role in deciding which pill is "better."

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Old 21-06-2010, 15:00
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

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SWIYers put too much emphasis on OxyContin as a brand-name version or whatever, when anything containing oxycodone is equivalent when considered per mg/mg of SWIY's dose. That being said, SWIM's monkey has always considered OxyContin a needless hassle, despite the large amount of oxycodone, if an equivalent amount (in mg) of IR oxycodone (preferably plain, but Percocet also works) is available.
What's equivalent, in mg that is, to an 80mg oxycontin? Nothing Swim has encountered comes close to that, beside a 40mg Opana, which to swim is a close but distant second.

Needless to remind --- yes--- "Roxicodone is IR and thus, has no timed-release coating/structure to counteract" ---- BUT many people forget that if you simply suck off the coating off any mg oxycontin, you have an IR-instant-release OC ready to be taken however swim likes.
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Old 21-06-2010, 15:47
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

For SWIM, like everyone else has said, the simple fact that you can crush an OxyContin and put it into a gel cap as an immediate release allows one to created IR doses of much higher magnitude than with regular Oxycodone IR doses. SWIM rarely uses Oxycodone simply because he tries to stay on the legal side of things lately, but when he did use it occasionally, the fact that SWIM could, in one purchase, get 80mg of Oxycodone, which lasts him a month, over multiple risky purchases of IR pills, is advantageous. SWIM supposes that if one has safe access to IR pills, and only wants to use low doses, there would be no preference.\
Edit: It is rather tedious to divide up an 80mg OC into 10mg gel caps though!

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Old 05-07-2010, 05:07
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

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Swim also agrees with Holly. First of all, swim thinks way too many people are quick to crush/snort pills. There is really no reason for this. You can really get the most out of your pills if you just eat them the way they are. There is no reason for any of that other nonsense. Of course if you are an iv drug user, then that rush you seek is not going to be available from just swallowing a pill but personally, swim doesn't use needles. Swim has snorted things time and time again to experiment but these days he finds it is best with pain killers, just to swallow them whole. After getting a good taste of percocets, roxi's, AND oc's, swim has realized that for the money, it's usually best to get the roxi's. OC's, while being great for a longer lasting buzz, usually require that you take about twice as much, milligrams-wise, as one would with roxi or percocet, since with OC's, the milligrams are spread out slowly and it is harder to actually feel them. However, if one could get the same effect from either pill, swim would prefer the OC, because he loves the long lasting buzz and the fact that there isn't reason to re-dose in the same night usually. Personally though, if it isn't an 80 mg OC, swim would rather just buy the percocets or roxicodones. Some of the best nights swim has had with pain killers have come from the OC 80's, and swim has been eating painkillers heavily for over 10 years. Swim's girlfriend (now wife), used to get the OC 80's for 20 dollars and swim would eat his whole and bite approximately 20 milligrams off of his girlfriend's pill, giving swim about 100 mg's and his gf about 60 mg's. Swim would then start drinking beer and have a wonderful night. At 20 dollars for an OC 80, this was the way to go. Cost is always going to play a role in deciding which pill is "better."
Wow, SWIY is VERY lucky

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Old 28-09-2010, 06:52
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

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SWIM's monkey has always considered Roxicodone to be the best, due to the availability and low cost, although anything containing oxycodone, whether it is Percocet or OC, will still work. In addition, SWIM's monkey rarely takes Roxicodone/generic IR oxycodone any other way besides orally as a pill (not crushed) as oxycodone's highest bioavailability is actually oral, not IV/IM/Intranasal. Overall, SWIM feels that many SWIYers put too much emphasis on OxyContin as a brand-name version or whatever, when anything containing oxycodone is equivalent when considered per mg/mg of SWIY's dose. That being said, SWIM's monkey has always considered OxyContin a needless hassle, despite the large amount of oxycodone, if an equivalent amount (in mg) of IR oxycodone (preferably plain, but Percocet also works) is available.
Sorry to revive an old thread. SWIM got a hold of some 30mg roxicodone IR. SWIM sometimes injects the OC 80s, but now that the non-dissolvable OP formula is becoming more prevalent the roxies (which contain no APAP) might start becoming the more frequent drug-of-choice for OC users. So SWIM was searching for some info about IV prepping for the roxies -- looks like according to what SWIM has found here there is some good info available on the forum and these roxies should be just as efficient as the old OCs for dissolving in water.

Also, wanted to correct a slight inaccuracy here. By definition, bioavailability of any drug is 100% when injected IV. The percentage used for other ROA is meant as a comparison for IV. Therefore oral oxycodone cannot technically have a higher bioavailability than IV. However, one must also account for the amount of the substance that simply does not dissolve or gets left behind on the filter with the fillers and binders -- so therefore it still isn't really 100%. Therefore SWIM usually just eats the leftover junk!
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Old 28-09-2010, 23:12
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

swim preferes ir oxycodone to oxycontin any day of the week. the IR pills are much easier to shoot up, dont have to worry about all that wax. swim thinks some people just like the oxycontin because its brand name, and kinda of flashy swim guesses. anyway IR is the way to go imo.
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Old 30-09-2010, 15:43
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

Agreed. IR is superior in almost every way, unless one is going for longevity over intensity.

SWIM calculated the price-per-milligram of all of his sources of oxycodone once, and OxyContin was almost 50% more expensive per milligram than any other formulation! It just seems like a waste to SWIM.

Sadly, though, since OxyContin is so popular, it sometimes is all that one can find.
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Re: Why do people prefer OxyContin (ER) over oxycodone IR pills?

SWIM only preferred them because he could pop an OC 40 then rail one and be high for 6 hours or so. But he also used the roxycodone which are IR pure oxycodone. People generally don't like the oxycodone and NSAID combos because the tylenol or ibuprofen or aspirin add to shitty side effects such as nausea, headaches and are terrible for ones liver. SWIM never had a preference over roxycodone 30's vs OC 20's,40's or 80s. Usually the roxys were cheaper because they didn't have an O and a C on them so he just got those.

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