Drug info - LSD: Few questions from a first timer

[ramjet]

I have never had the opportunity to try LSD before, but my friend contacted me recently and said he is able to get hold of some microdots (he didn't say which kind). I am reasonably experienced with drugs (weed, E, coke, salvia, shrooms)and I absolutelylove magic mushrooms, buthaven't done them for several monthson account of them being made illegal this JulyMy questions are


1. Most importantly, I know microdots are supposed to be much stronger than blotters so is it a good idea for me to takeit as a first trip?If so, how much of the microdot do you recommend taking? Does it really depend on the type? How many hits are the various microdots worth?


2. How similar is the LSD trip qualitatively to the mushroom trip (I know it is of a longer duration)? What I mean by this is, do you get the same sense of overwhelming euphoria, cosmic enlightenment, oneness with the universe, peace and contentment within yourself (I've never had as bad trip, but I always make sure the set andsettingare right) etc. Are the visuals similar? Are the visuals stronger? Do you have more or less control? . . .etc.


3. What are the best ways to ensure a good trip?Making sure theset and setting are right is obviously a priority but is there anything specific to LSD I should be warned of?


4. What's the chronology of the trip like eg come up for an hour peak for an hour come down gradually/sharply over the next 2-4 hours . . . ?


Actually, that was quite a few questions! Thanks in adnvance for anyone who can be bothered to answer them.

[Woodman]

More than just the setting, h aving a good trip depends largely onyour frame
of mind.

[dogcow]

You will comeup in 20-60mins. Euphoria similar to mushrooms though more clean with less-to-no stomach discomfort. Lowdoses (1-2 hits) wont cause much in the way of visual distortions/hallucinations certainly not close to a strong mushroom trip.


Its almost impossible to have a bad trip onn 1-2 hits. Higher doses its pretty easy to lose control.


Peak is kinda odd it seems to be like, peak for a few hours then it feels like its wearing off, then ur peaking again, then wearing off, then peaking. You will be high for a good 8-9hrs


The comedown sucks and lasts a LONG time. like 4hrs of anxiety and frying. By the time you come down ur nerves will prob be shot, id suggest beers or xanx to take the edge off the comedown.


-dc

[Silence_Inc]

"The comedown sucks and lasts a LONG time. like 4hrs of anxiety and frying. By the time you come down ur nerves will prob be shot, id suggest beers or xanx to take the edge off the comedown."


i'm sorry but i just do not undertsand this ... if this happens to you when taking lsd - arn't you ding it with the wrong set or so?? and how come you don't like the effects - i love every aspect of lsd - and it feels great! ... even the come down - anxiety and frying lies in THE HEAD!


lsd is pure meditation ... don't talk - sit stil - close eyes - and fly with the gods ... yes - on half or 1 blotter - unlike other cowboys on this forum tell everyone - i just don't understand it!


don't use beer or downers becasue they are the oposite of psychedelics - they tend to make a bigger ego - so why would you even take psychedlics when you know you'll jump back into old habbits and bad choices ...


Edited by: Silence_Inc

[pabel_giboon]

True, but it can even take +90 minutes to start going on. For a first timer it´s ok with a single hit, some people even do half or a quarter. SWIM does not find it even active at such low doses. First peak can happen at +3 hs and it´s the most hallucinogen one. Before and after this peak you´ll be speeding a lot, and depending on you, you could be feaking out like a psicho -no that often- or be in a state of euphoria an bliss. Both in teh come up and the come down wou´ll find asking yourself "am i coming up?" or "am i coming down?", well it comes and goes in waves. SWIM does not agree that comedown is so bad, definetly woull have some restlessness untill about +12 hs. Beers and good company (specially the ones you tripped with) do the trick, watch a movie or pay some videogames. Try to do your first trip with some stable + experienced person, which could predict if someone is freaking or a situation is about to get dangerous and manage to avoid such situations. LSD is considerd one of the best and more nobile drug ever. But it can be anbiguous, it´s not like XTC wich with you can only feel happy -lets say happy to shorten un things-.
Good luck!

[ramjet]

cheers, these comments are really helpful, keep them coming!


Should I only take half of a microdot if it is my first time? How many hits of blotter are comparable to taking one microdot?

[ambrosius]

SWIM took one microdot his first time.From his experience, it seemed to be the strength of two blotters, but be aware that strength in any "brand" varies from area to area. Being illegal, there's no way to keep track of what's what.


He also says to be sure to have some uplifting music around as it enhances your mood. Classical and techno are wonderful for this.

[dogcow]

take one, relax enjoy...dont have expectations.

[Solidly-here]

If you've Shroomed, you're already half-way there (or maybe even three-quarters).


There are several Threads for first-time LSD want-a-be types. But the bottom-line is: Millions have done it. You can do it too. Just do it . . . think about it later.

[bolough09]

I've done it a few times and i reccomend doing it with others who are
tripping. Especially at the first time. Tripping through
the woods in Humboldt with some fellow trippers was such an amazing
first time.



Also, make it natural, get out into nature when you trip. So much
of society, and civilization will freak you out whn you're on
acid. Although, I guess it's just where you are at that point.



Also, in response to the beers and downers question... again, it's all
where you are at that point. We just smoked a bunch of
weed. Again, it all depends on what you're going for.



Enjoy your trip, and this forum rocks... I'm glad to be part of it.



peace

[pabel_giboon]

Originally Posted by Solidly-here

If you've Shroomed, you're already half-way there (or maybe even three-quarters).


There are several Threads for first-time LSD want-a-be types. But the bottom-line is: Millions have done it. You can do it too. Just do it . . . think about it later.

HA hA ha... you are right, what the hell. Just keep in mind maybe a 10% of first timers freak out really badly, so a sitter is a must if you are not shure about hoow helthy your mind is.

[S-Gerat 00000]

word of mouth indicates that the microdots floating around my area are relatively weak compared to the blotter tabs, but i can't speak from experience on that one just yet (and i certainly can't speak on behalf of the uk!). SWIM just picked up some tabs from "the family", supposedly mic'd out at 200 and has plans to trip with a friend who has sampled said microdots. I'll let you know once the verdict comes in


personally, i find mushrooms to be much more of an emotional trip than a low dose acid trip. in terms of an internal conversation, mushrooms tend to put my feelings in dialogue with my thoughts; whereas acid tends to spark patterns of free-association. the visuals on on an acid trip tend to be more sporadic and tangental, whereas mushrooms usually produce for me fractals and iterations of geometric shapes. the duration of an acid trip can get quite long, and taking into account the time dilation some experience on lsd it can get pretty uncomfortable if you haven't made the proper "arrangements". to put things in perspective: mushrooms are something i can take casually and sporadically on a free afternoon; an acid trip is something i need to plan out at least 3 days ahead of time.

the idea of going into an acid trip stripped of any expectations (as somebody previously mentioned) is a difficult one to comprehend, as we all carry our own set of assumptions that can be difficult to ignore, but trust me...its the best advice i've seen so far. chances are, you won't see any dancing elves or feel like you can physically fly out of a window (as some bullshit artists would have you believe), but the experience will definitely be unique to you. i often find myself struggling to articulate the savoir-faire of recent lsd trips to my friends and colleagues, as much of the experience is just so personal.

you seem to be going about things the right way, though, so you shouldn't have too much to worry about. just start out with a low dose [N.B.- experience with mushrooms doesn't always translate to experience with acid by default, and ALWAYS sample your batch for potency before diving in to high dose] and keep with good company in a comfortable setting. don't trip if you find yourself feeling under the weather, either physically or mentally, and most importantly HAVE FUN!


thanks for indulging me in this long winded answer... i've never had the opportunity to post "first timer" advice before, so this thread has given me the excuse!

[The Dr]

swims only experiance of microdots were of the black kind. It had been a night on pills before, then work during the day (aided by coke) then dropped the dot on a pretty empty stomach...... the very first time swim did acid was a drop on a sugar cube which took nearly 2hrs to comeup on. the microdot started to take effect after only 20mins though, and after a very short time felt like swims head was connected directly to the mains electricty.

im not really in much of a position to describe the trip as it was a few years ago, but it lasted for around 12 hours, was very intense for the first 4 or 5 and swim threw up alot....even water would just come back up. this is the only time in swims life when throwing up has not really all too bad though. swim clearly remembers sitting in the bathroom, head over sink, seeing all sorts of colours swirl down. the water from the tap looked like rainbow crystals. So swim would say the dots he had were vv strong......and definatly cant be accurately 1/2ed - too worried about it pinging away and getting lost when one tried to cut it

this was on par if not stronger than swims first experiance with liquid, which was pretty ground breaking itself. - tabs have never come close.

as for the difference between cid and shrooms, id say shrooms are more variable, but tend to have more colourful visuals, are much shorter acting, but can be quite intense atfirst. swim finds that liberty caps are the nicest for visuals and generally body feeling (can be better than the come up of a pill). Also never have laughed as much as when drinking and shrooms.

A proper acid trip is deffinatly more major than shrooms but its hard to say how. It feels like all the rules have been taken away with acid - anything can happen. Hence it is best to have a closed (ie no new people coming in) and safe place, and if possible a sitter that will put up with all the stupid drivel.

oh yeah, and a line of coke seemed to straighten swim up abit when all the throwing up was going on - it was the only thing that couldnt come back up!

[tombstone]

Would you reccomend taking MDMA with acid for the first acid trip, to reduce the chances of a bad trip?