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This was about two weeks and SWIM just remembered it now. SWIM had an old bag (maybe 6 months old?) of standard Thai Crushed Leaves and over 3 days took small doses in tea, with slight increases in the amount. It went from 3 g to 5 g to 7 g, one cup every evening. SWIM has barely any tolerance to opiates.
The night that SWIM took 5 g, they had some mild effects, nothing particularly noteworthy. That night however, SWIM was trying to sleep with some difficulty (it was around 5 AM) and SWIM had slept approximately 8-10 hours the previous day. SWIM was very restless and started spacing out, however numerous times during the daydreams SWIM heard random nonsensical segments of mental dialogue echo loudly in his head, which naturally was startling and SWIM had a mild panic attack. It almost sounded like a small person was inside SWIMs head The next day after resting SWIM was fine and had no other issues and hasn't since.
SWIM is not currently on any medication or dealing with any psychiatric illness and has no history of psychosis. SWIM thinks it's possible that because of the time it could have been just sleepiness/sleep deprivation but still found it quite odd (and scary!).
Anybody else experience this before?
Porvata added 111 Minutes and 48 Seconds later...
SWIM forgot to add that prior to the attempt to sleep they did about an hour and a half of strenuous exercise, which definitely could have contributed to exhaustion. SWIM is thinking the exercise and release of neurotransmitters combined with sleepiness and the effects of the kratom just added up to cause this. Unfortunately SWIM has no clue as they find these effects to be so bizarre.
Last edited by Porvata; 02-06-2010 at 09:50.
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My pet turtle Clover told me that once in a psychotherapy session Clover's shrink explained that hallucinations of any kind aren't necessarily a bad thing (Clover is schizoaffective). As long as Clover is able to recognize them as hallucinations.
Clover often notices more intense visual and auditory hallucinations when he is fatigued and most especially when he is trying to get to sleep. The hallucinations used to bother him, but after what his shrink told him he just ignores them anymore and they usually don't bother him.
EDIT: If it continues, other symptoms appear, and/or the OP is uncomfortable with the hallucinations, the OP may wish to seek professional help.
Last edited by Jasim; 04-06-2010 at 04:46.
My pet turtle Clover experiences some minor hallucinations under the influence of some opiates (poppy pod tea recently caused this, tramadol has also caused this). I don't think it's that far-fetched of an idea for nearly any psychoactive to cause some form of hallucinations. It seems apparent that the OP can distinguish the hallucinations from reality.
These "daydreams with nonsensical segments" sounds a lot like what Clover experiences quite often. It's a kind of random, outside-of-self thoughts that can translate themselves into auditory and visual phenomenon. Clover has attempted to control and induce these experiences. On some rare occasions he has seen some 3-D landscapes with eyes closed and other CEVs similar to experiences he has had with DXM.
Can the OP provide some additional descriptions of these experiences? Is the OP still having these experiences?
And something I should have asked much sooner, How experienced is the OP with hallucinogens? Could this be a form of HPPD (Hallucinogen Persisting Perception Disorder)?
Also, keep in mind that one of the most potent hallucinogens known acts on opiate receptors - Salvia divinorum.
Last edited by Jasim; 07-06-2010 at 15:42.
This was merely a one time occurrence and SWIM has been fine since then, zero psychological problems. Unfortunately the "echoes" were very vague and in that state of mind SWIM was unable to even understand what was said. SWIM hadn't taken any substances aside from alcohol and nicotine recently, the last experience with something else being a high dose of JWH-018 3 months before.
SWIM has no experience with any classic hallucinogens (Tryptamines/Phenethylamines) but is sensitive to any substance they take.
Swim has the exactly same thing. He's had this for some time, they pop up every once in a while. But they only happen when swim is going to sleep. Sometimes this occurs when swim has had a long cannabis session, when he takes seroquel it pops up without a doubt. Diazepam and alcohol how ever completely turns this off for him. He's been afraid to tell people about this issue and hasn't really been able to figure out what it is.
Sometimes when he's going to sleep he can hear some voices in his head that make no sense. Some sentences pop up from different characters. He does realize that all of this is just his own mind, it's nothing that he's actually hearing. So he's kind of managed to block it out and he usually gets through it without much trouble. When this happens to swim he starts to think about something he's interested about or something that he's looking forward to. Focusing on something else is the key for him. What he's also found to be a good solution is falling a sleep while having something turned on around him. He often has Family guy turned on when trying to fall asleep. Especially when he's experiencing these thoughts. This started happening to swim after a mushroom trip from last year. He had never had anything like this before. He's quite sure this is an aftermath of that. It might be worth to notice that swim had been battling depression for years prior to this and had not been cured when this happened.
After seeking help from professionals he was told to simply start to exercise to get rid of most of his depression and anxiety. That has done some tremendous help for him, he can feel it day from day that he's getting better after he started doing some exercise. Getting rid of the paranoia and anxiety has been a huge factor for him to get better from this. Things ease out from there on. Swim actually decided to get a job at a farm for the entire summer so that he'll be doing some physical work all day long. He's also cut down his cannabis and alcohol usage. All of this has helped him.
Swim just read about HPPD on Wikipedia like Jasim suggested and it seems to be exactly what he's suffering from. Thank you for pointing out that possibility.
SWIM has traditionally had an array of hypnagogic effects after taking kratom, but only if the kratom was consumed within about 3 hours of attempting to sleep. Last night, for example, he heard a dog barking while he was semi-conscious. The sound was unmistakably emanating from within his head.
He has also had bizarre dreams after taking kratom, some even involving complex tasks like using a computer (including reading and responding to messages), that were vivid enough to pass for reality until he woke up.
SWIM has had similar effects from other opioids as well (including terrifying dreams), and sometimes experiences strange hypnagogic phenomena without any drugs involved. With opioids, it could be related to kappa receptor agonism.
Interesting topic, SWIM has had auditory hallucinations from Kratom several times, usually at relatively high doses, once while driving he could hear his dad talking to him, also random noises, when trying to get to sleep the symptoms get worse, SWIM can sometimes hear full detailed conversation between people he knows who are not present at the scene.
Kratom also triggered auditory symptoms in combination with MDPV and Ketamine, sometimes combined with full blown delusional episodes.
May I ask if that "Small person inside of SWIM" had the same voice as SWIM?
SWIM told me he was taking regular and heavy around Christmas. For one or maybe 2 days SWIM had a constant train of thought which prevented sleep(possible hallucination).
SWIM could not stop his thoughts at all. SWIM thought he was going crazy or was having some type of breakdown. SWIM had flu like symptoms, he tells me they now may be WD symptoms. After the second day they just stopped and that was it. He tells me it was like a speeded up Operation Shock and Awe in his head with an erie lul afterwoods. Swim now takes it infrequently as a treat.
-Swim was treated for depression 4/5 years ago.
-Swim takes 10mg of Amitriptyline for tension headaches.
-Swim is a gym rat and hasn't used anything but Kratom.
Swim and I regret not finding this website sooner.