Opinions - Which Benzodiazepine to Try Next?

[darkbreed]

SWIM takes these amounts of benzos due to several reasons, one is a permanent injury after two car accidents, another one is long term alcoholism, and a third one is from being an ex-needle junkie (heroin, morphine, amphetamine, benzodiazepiens and most other injectables).

SWIM have not injected in 2 years now, and not been drinking in couple months (used to be daily for years). SWIM has decreased the amount of benzo use as well lately, and have 2 different types daily but changes quite frequently what those two daily benzos are as explained in first post above. Once in a while, such as a weekend now and then, SWIM takes an extra amount of benzos "just for the heck of it" instead of drinking or whatever else other people prefer to get wasted on.

SWIM has a supply of benzos that is steadily increasing each time a new prescription is made, which is a good sign, meaning that SWIM currently uses less than what he is actually prescribed to take. Those extra amounts SWIM is left with is saved for those "once and then" benzo binges which do not occur very often.

SWIM would like to add that something he considers a great assistance for decreasing his substance abuse and medical use such as the alcohol and benzos is thanks to Coca leaf chewing. SWIM have lived one year in a country where Coca is common and used as tea, chewed, in foods etc, and is a good medicine as well as source of nutritions. Coca makes SWIM feel fine without the high amount of benzos as earlied needed, so SWIM has reduced his general daily benzo intake from 4 different benzos a day to 2, with several days where benzos are not even taken. Coca is also healthy, not addictive, and also a very excellent replacement for coffee and caffeine as it doesn't have the negative effects that coffe can cause such as jitters, diarreah , etc.

In addition coca has both relaxant and energizing effects, depending on how much is used, and is good for both a nice fresh start in the morning as well as a good sleep in night, and is very effective for bone pains, skeletal displacement problems, rheumatism, digestive problems, headaches and other pains and problems, also psychological problems such as anxiety, nervousness, insomnia, fatigue etc.

SWIM thinks he can replace benzos and alcohol completely with coca alone if he wants. But SWIM do like his occasional benzo knocker, so he doesn't plan to stop his prescription.

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just wanted to say good job on keeping clean

[Psych0naut]

Coca leaf is indeed pretty well known in South-America for it's medicinal properties, but's very nice that it has actually helped SWIY to half his benzo dose and even stop taking them alltogether on some days. How does it affect the appetite, does it suppres it, or does it depend on the amount taken?

[Steva]

Swim has tried them all and was raised on tuinal,seconal,placydl and nembutol.
and Quaalude Rorer 714.
In swim's opinion Go for the Xanax 2mg Bars.
Purepack or Greenstone in the USA. Gador in SA.
Swim was also impressed with the 7.5mg Dormicum by Roche aka midazolam.
In Swim's opinion forget diazepam,nitrazepam,clonazepam.
They are good but lack the efficiency of the above mentioned.

[darkbreed]

Well I guess the real answer to which one is best is individually, we all got different body chemistry and brains etc, what works great for some is crap for others etc.

Personally, SWIM said his preferences are:

#1: Rohypnol (Flunitrazepam) Best benzo in effect & usability (can easily be injected, goes amazingly great along with opiates etc, perfect for comedowns on uppers etc, does wonders for psychedelic trips making them more smooth and eliminating bad trips, and much more) Great for sleep, great for getting a good "high"/"kick"

#2: Temazepam - for SWIM pretty similar to flunitrazepam in effects though a bit weaker and not the same kind of good "high". But an excellent benzo no doubt.

#3: Nitrazepam - SWIM used this a lot with joy - he likes the hypnotic benzos.

#4: Clonazepam - SWIM use this more for its medical purpose than recreational, and find it a very good benzo to make SWIM feel "normal" and content and fine, without being drowsy or sedate.

#5: Alprazolam - SWIM enjoys this one too, but find it gives a bit too "stoney" and drowsy effect and less of the euphoric effect of the others above on the list, swim mainly uses this as a sleep aid for a quick knock out when needed.

#6: Diazepam - Nice benzo, makes you quite calm and filled with wellbeing, and excellen muscle relaxant (SWIM has problems with neck and back after car accident) and it also gives a decent effect for recreational use in higher doses.

#7: Bromazepam - In SWIMs experience this is very similar to diazepam and thus more or less shares the same description and should kinda shared place on the list too.

#8: Phenezepam - Great in effects! Effectwise I'd put it up with flunitrazepam. The problem is that its so extremely addictive, and the addiction comes fast and fierce! Hardcore withdrawals from this one, and also one I always ended up doing too much of causing nice blackouts etc. But the positive effects are really good, the problem is the negative ones.

#9 oxazepam - this one is one of the weakes and crappiest benzos i've come across. Hardly any effecs, just somewat drowsy, no recreational use at all for me.

#10 Lorazepam - Puke! What a horror! Unpleasent effects, stoney but not in a nice way, dizzy, and weird after effects like "tracers" etc- worst of all the benzos SWIM tried.

Midazolam: Not ranked yet as SWIM is fairly new to this, only some days of testing. But so far not impressed. Got the 15mg ones, ate up to 3 (45mg) at once without any specific effects, and that was with 2mg of Clonazepam (or was it 4mg hm) and 10mg diazepam along with it. Of course, SWIM did get drowsy and sedated, but no euphoric or specifically good high. However, for the medicinal use, sleep problems, they seem to be great. SWIM took one and let it melt under tounge to take a short one and half hour nap, had the alarm clock on right next to his head on the night table, but it knocked him into such a deep sleep even the alarm clock didnt wake him. And thats an alarm clock that repeats itself several times with some minutes intervals if not deactivated. So tested it couple more times for bedtime, and the conclusion so far is that its a good one for sleep but not much for recreational use.

So this is SWIM's personal list and ranking of benzos. He does find it a bit odd that there are so many reports about midazolam being so great etc, he was rather dissapointed himself after the joy of getting them prescribed so he could finally test them. But I must note SWIM do have a very high tolerance for most drugs , not only benzos, and his brains are perhaps a bit scrambled compared to most others (rearranged some things around in there with various substances through the years - seems the effect is permanent)

Perhaps the list will be altered by time and new explorations - But for now long live the green demon (Rohypnol/Flunitrazepam)

[Redbluffer]

Originally Posted by darkbreed

Ok I have a nice doctor, he gives me any benzo I want I just gotta name them, heck I've named stuff he havn't even heard of before lol. So I'm trying to test around to find out what benzos give the best effect for me, so suggestions are welcome. He think its a good idea i rotate my benzo use anyway so I dont build up too much tolerance and dependency towards a couple specific ones.

I've gone through all the common ones (and some not so common) like alprazolam, temazepam, diazepam, lorazepam, clonazepam, oaxepam (sp?), flunitrazepam, nitrazepam, midazolam, phenezepam.

So, what benzos do you suggest I try out next, specifically inerested in powerful hypnotic benzos for insomnia, as well as powerful sedatives and muscle relaxants.

Give me your list of benzos worth trying thats not on my list above, or list of any SWIMS for that matter.

Cheers

From you list in my experience the temezepam(yellow capsules) are the strongest benzos ive taken espcially for sleep..although id advise use extreeme caution in mixing them i know that may sound like an up tight doctor but they are powerful. it also depends on what your taking them for. if its simply just to get high then i cant be much help but if you need hep sleeping the Restoril is very strong and i also have a strong tolerance for pills so...i doubt i helped you but figurd i'd try. Just be careful the line betweeen enough and too much is fairly then and you can die so please be careful.. Good luck mate and I hpe you find something that works for you. Redbluffer...look me up if you can

[Psych0naut]

Benzo's are often a great remedy for insomnia and anxiety, but they are often chronic ailments, which means medication will often be needed to treat it as well. And long term use of benzo's isn't an option, it doesn't solve anything, and often only makes it worse. I don't condemn benzo's, I know they can be really useful in some situations, but just way too many doctors are a bit too eager with the prescription pad for them. It's really nasty as a patient to find out the hard way, that the medicine your doctor has prescribed to you to take daily for the last 6 months, are addictive benzo's which you, as a patient, don't even know what they are. That won't be true for the members of this forum, as most of them know what benzo's are, but many ordinary people have ended up in horrible withdrawls due to long term prescriptions to drugs they even don't know off what they are. Also, it's well known that benzo's lose their effectiveness against insomnia in a few days and two weeks at the most, and up to a few months for anxiety at the utmost. There are plenty of other alternatives for both ailments which should be tried first, and only use benzo's as a second line treatment.

[JJx23]

Well, that is true, but one can use Benzo's with other types of treatment also. Becoming tolerant to a Benzo can simply be waned down by the patient's doctor so that they won't have to feel the withdrawal symptoms. Most of the time, Benzo's are used for short term care anyway, and I believe many doctors already know about this. It's been proven that many medications have side-effects, and doctors do let their patient's know of these side-effects. The pain center that I go to prescribes opiates, benzos, and barbiturates, all of which were on the few sheets of paper that I signed before I started my treatment program. It tells the patient everything on there, as well as the doctor letting the patient(s) know too. Now maybe I just live in a great area where doctors know what they're doing, or what? The doctors simply look forward into the future, since they already know what they will be doing. I am in proper care, and I feel safe taking my medications, but you have stated that it's very different else-where in the world. This I can tell you, I did not know!

Regards.

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Benzo's are often a great remedy for insomnia and anxiety, but they are often chronic ailments, which means medication will often be needed to treat it as well. And long term use of benzo's isn't an option, it doesn't solve anything, and often only makes it worse. I don't condemn benzo's, I know they can be really useful in some situations, but just way too many doctors are a bit too eager with the prescription pad for them. It's really nasty as a patient to find out the hard way, that the medicine your doctor has prescribed to you to take daily for the last 6 months, are addictive benzo's which you, as a patient, don't even know what they are. That won't be true for the members of this forum, as most of them know what benzo's are, but many ordinary people have ended up in horrible withdrawls due to long term prescriptions to drugs they even don't know off what they are. Also, it's well known that benzo's lose their effectiveness against insomnia in a few days and two weeks at the most, and up to a few months for anxiety at the utmost. There are plenty of other alternatives for both ailments which should be tried first, and only use benzo's as a second line treatment.

[Psych0naut]

Originally Posted by JJx23

Well, that is true, but one can use Benzo's with other types of treatment also. Becoming tolerant to a Benzo can simply be waned down by the patient's doctor so that they won't have to feel the withdrawal symptoms. Most of the time, Benzo's are used for short term care anyway, and I believe many doctors already know about this. It's been proven that many medications have side-effects, and doctors do let their patient's know of these side-effects. The pain center that I go to prescribes opiates, benzos, and barbiturates, all of which were on the few sheets of paper that I signed before I started my treatment program. It tells the patient everything on there, as well as the doctor letting the patient(s) know too. Now maybe I just live in a great area where doctors know what they're doing, or what? The doctors simply look forward into the future, since they already know what they will be doing. I am in proper care, and I feel safe taking my medications, but you have stated that it's very different else-where in the world. This I can tell you, I did not know!

Regards.

Why use it with other types of treatment if there are plenty of medicines that are not addictive, yet are just as effective? At it's not just a simple matter of weaning down to prevent tolerance. Long term but even medium duration use of benzo's cause invertion of GABA-benzodiazepine receptors, which takes several months, or even years to reset. You can't reset the long term tolerance caused by invertion by just tapering one's benzo use. And just tapering down one's use is often not as easy as it sounds. Because tolerance keeps rising, causing one to need more and more benzo's to keep withdrawl away. If one then suddenly tapers down one's usage, it will often cause withdrawl to precipitate, and although it won't cause full blown withdrawl, it's still certainly not pleasant. This is especially true when tapering the use of strong hypnotic benzo's.

Most of the time, benzo's are indeed used for short term treatment, but in many cases, it's used for long term treatment as well, which guaranteedly will mean the patient undergoing it will have to go through withdrawl some day. All the doctors around the globe know the consequences of medium to long term benzo treatment, yet still there are many which are a bit to keen on prescribing them. In Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Guatamala, you name it, in every country of the world it happens, even though the doctors know the consequences.

Ofcourse many medications have side-effects, but many of the alternatives for anxiety and insomnia treatment have less side-effects than benzo's, and they generally lack physical addictiveness too. Most doctors however don't tell their patients all the possible side-effects of their prescribed medication. Pretty logical if you think about how much different medicines they have to know, and how moch possible side-effects they each have. They just prescribe the medicine(s), and expect that the patient reads the patient information leaflet that comes with the medicine(s). If there is a common side-effect for the particular drug, they often mention it, but don't expect them to mention all the possible side-effects, cause that would be impossible for them to know. I doubt that's different for all the doctors in your region/country. I doubt what location it might be, as you say they stil prescribed nasty, old barbiturates. Don't forget that doctors in pain centers, or specialises sleeping doctors are not the same as the common gp, which is where nearly all people go with their common ailments. Those doctors are only specialised in a small field of medicine, and the corresponding medicines for those ailments. They often know a lot more about the specific drugs they prescribe, as they only have to know a few different medicines, while the regular gp has to know enough of all different fields of medicine, from sleeping disorders to psychiatry, from physiotherapy to sleeping disorders, and from infections to bone fractures. This is the same all throughout the globe, except in most third-world countries, like most of mid-Africa, and South-Asia. The only thing different is the prescription of drugs with a high abuse factor, like strong opioids and stimulants, as well as the barbiturates.

Originally Posted by soontobedoctor

well honestly i would suggest you use temazepam for insomnia as its long half life means you wont grow tolerant to it as my shrink told me, clonazepam is another one but i find it to be active after you wake up and it takes a bit to kick in. i hope this will help because hypnotics generally have short half lives and you grow tolerant to them.

Temazepam is one of the most addictive benzo's available for prescription, and it has one of the shortes half-lifes of all hypnotic benzo's, except for midazolam, brotizolam and triazolam. And the half-life is no indication for addictiveness, the ones with the shortest half lifes are generally by far the most addictive, but several long-acting benzo's can be almost just as addictive, so half-life is no good indication of addictiveness. Clonazepam is generally not suitable as a hypnotic because it lacks sedation, that's why it's such a good anticonvulsant, because most other strong anticolvulsant benzo's are strong hypnotics as well, but Clonazepam isn't. Nitrazepam, Temazepam, Flunitrazepam and Lormetazepam are generally considered the best hypnotic benzo's, though they are much more addictive than most others as well.

[JJx23]

Well, I am going to throw this out there Psych0naut, everybody is different, and medication(s) affect every person differently, so it's a bit hard to say how long the receptors will take to reset. Benzos for long term treatment is very common in the states. I know a lot of people who are on them long term. Many people will be on them the rest of their lives, and believe me, I am not falsifying this information at all. I was speaking to a doctor regarding this, and it is very possible to wane a person off of any medication, if it's done correctly. It has been proven however, that for every year a person is on Benzodiazepines, there is a 1 month withdrawal period. But the normal withdrawal for Benzos are 7-10 days I believe.

While the acute withdrawals will be over with, you can still feel minor symptoms every now and then for months after, but it's nothing to be worried about, because there are OTC medications that can take care of that, whether it is a simple headache, runny nose, back ache, watery eyes, etc. Once the major withdrawal is over, you won't even know when you are having a minor withdrawal after the acute withdrawal is over.

Like I said before, everyone is different, and I appreciate your insight, I learned a lot from your last post. I just wanted to add my own as well, because I heard this from an actual doctor.

Regards.

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Why use it with other types of treatment if there are plenty of medicines that are not addictive, yet are just as effective? At it's not just a simple matter of weaning down to prevent tolerance. Long term but even medium duration use of benzo's cause invertion of GABA-benzodiazepine receptors, which takes several months, or even years to reset. You can't reset the long term tolerance caused by invertion by just tapering one's benzo use. And just tapering down one's use is often not as easy as it sounds. Because tolerance keeps rising, causing one to need more and more benzo's to keep withdrawl away. If one then suddenly tapers down one's usage, it will often cause withdrawl to precipitate, and although it won't cause full blown withdrawl, it's still certainly not pleasant. This is especially true when tapering the use of strong hypnotic benzo's.

Most of the time, benzo's are indeed used for short term treatment, but in many cases, it's used for long term treatment as well, which guaranteedly will mean the patient undergoing it will have to go through withdrawl some day. All the doctors around the globe know the consequences of medium to long term benzo treatment, yet still there are many which are a bit to keen on prescribing them. In Australia, Belgium, Canada, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, Guatamala, you name it, in every country of the world it happens, even though the doctors know the consequences.

Ofcourse many medications have side-effects, but many of the alternatives for anxiety and insomnia treatment have less side-effects than benzo's, and they generally lack physical addictiveness too. Most doctors however don't tell their patients all the possible side-effects of their prescribed medication. Pretty logical if you think about how much different medicines they have to know, and how moch possible side-effects they each have. They just prescribe the medicine(s), and expect that the patient reads the patient information leaflet that comes with the medicine(s). If there is a common side-effect for the particular drug, they often mention it, but don't expect them to mention all the possible side-effects, cause that would be impossible for them to know. I doubt that's different for all the doctors in your region/country. I doubt what location it might be, as you say they stil prescribed nasty, old barbiturates. Don't forget that doctors in pain centers, or specialises sleeping doctors are not the same as the common gp, which is where nearly all people go with their common ailments. Those doctors are only specialised in a small field of medicine, and the corresponding medicines for those ailments. They often know a lot more about the specific drugs they prescribe, as they only have to know a few different medicines, while the regular gp has to know enough of all different fields of medicine, from sleeping disorders to psychiatry, from physiotherapy to sleeping disorders, and from infections to bone fractures. This is the same all throughout the globe, except in most third-world countries, like most of mid-Africa, and South-Asia. The only thing different is the prescription of drugs with a high abuse factor, like strong opioids and stimulants, as well as the barbiturates.

Temazepam is one of the most addictive benzo's available for prescription, and it has one of the shortes half-lifes of all hypnotic benzo's, except for midazolam, brotizolam and triazolam. And the half-life is no indication for addictiveness, the ones with the shortest half lifes are generally by far the most addictive, but several long-acting benzo's can be almost just as addictive, so half-life is no good indication of addictiveness. Clonazepam is generally not suitable as a hypnotic because it lacks sedation, that's why it's such a good anticonvulsant, because most other strong anticolvulsant benzo's are strong hypnotics as well, but Clonazepam isn't. Nitrazepam, Temazepam, Flunitrazepam and Lormetazepam are generally considered the best hypnotic benzo's, though they are much more addictive than most others as well.

[sarbanes]

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Originally Posted by Psych0naut

Temazepam is one of the most addictive benzo's available for prescription, and it has one of the shortes half-lifes of all hypnotic benzo's

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Hey Psychonaut, I hear ya bout temazepam. Funny thing here though, is my Dr. Rx'd me temz (even though I requested alprazolam), and cited addiction liability as reason for the substitution. I get the feeling its the dosage form the temazepam is supplied in, which makes it potentially abusable (in a certain way), and therefore, highly addictive? Like 'jellies" in the UK. So I hear now that jellies are no longer around, they Rx tablets (but peeps really want capsules, which are a no no.) Perhaps you could shed some light on this, cuz my Dr. easily gave me temz, but no bars. Tnx. Also, maybe the caps are easier to prep. for slamming.

ps: why did my font insist on coming out underlined, purple and big??!? sry

[soontobedoctor]

well honestly i would suggest you use temazepam for insomnia as its long half life means you wont grow tolerant to it as my shrink told me, clonazepam is another one but i find it to be active after you wake up and it takes a bit to kick in. i hope this will help because hypnotics generally have short half lives and you grow tolerant to them.

[darkbreed]

I've used benzos for years and when it comes to the insomnia part they still do the trick. One 2mg alprazolam knocks me out, so does apparently 15mg midazolam if taken and immediately going to bed. I found out midazolam have from little to no effect on me if taken and staying awake, took up to 45 mg wihout any specific effects.

Flunitrazepam has also always been working great for insomnia, despise my high tolerance to benzos in general, 1 or 2mg still is enough to make me sleep well, even though I used to highly abuse those in earlier days (iv'in up to 20mg daily as well as other stuff like opiates)

Now I'm just getting benzos as prescribed legally, and i've used them for years wihout any personal problems related to benzos such as withdrawals or other severe mental problems when quitting now and then. I went around a year without once, after stopping cold turkey (stopping one day wihout stepping down doses) and it went fine.

I suspect my brain chemistry is somewhat different than most folks as I've always had a high tolerance for basically all drugs, and never had any special withdrawal problems even when using very high amounts of different drugs at same time for very long periods.

[JJx23]

Well I am sure that a lot of people wish that they had your tolerance.

Regards.

Originally Posted by darkbreed

I've used benzos for years and when it comes to the insomnia part they still do the trick. One 2mg alprazolam knocks me out, so does apparently 15mg midazolam if taken and immediately going to bed. I found out midazolam have from little to no effect on me if taken and staying awake, took up to 45 mg wihout any specific effects.

Flunitrazepam has also always been working great for insomnia, despise my high tolerance to benzos in general, 1 or 2mg still is enough to make me sleep well, even though I used to highly abuse those in earlier days (iv'in up to 20mg daily as well as other stuff like opiates)

Now I'm just getting benzos as prescribed legally, and i've used them for years wihout any personal problems related to benzos such as withdrawals or other severe mental problems when quitting now and then. I went around a year without once, after stopping cold turkey (stopping one day wihout stepping down doses) and it went fine.

I suspect my brain chemistry is somewhat different than most folks as I've always had a high tolerance for basically all drugs, and never had any special withdrawal problems even when using very high amounts of different drugs at same time for very long periods.

[darkbreed]

SWIM knows temazepam capsules are a favorite among those who like to do the highway route (mainlining /IV'in) as it is quite convenient to just open the capsule and cook up the powder inside. SWIM personally find flunitrazepam the most potent and enjoyable benzo for this sort of administration though from the times he was doing those things.

SWIM recently tested IV'ing 15mg midazolam along with 1mg flunitrazepam and he reported it was a pretty pleasent combo. He just did that as an experiment though to see what it would be like as he had never IV'ed midazolam before and was curios on its effecs. He has no intentions on doing it again as it was just to have it crossed of the list, sort of.

SWIM also did an experiment to test his tolerance this weekend by having a little benzo binge he told me, and he ingested 90mg of Diazepam (9 x 10mg Valiums) along with 100mg Tramadol (2x 50mg Calmadors), 2mg of Alprazolam (1 x 2mg Xanax), 350 mg Carisoprodol (1 x 350mg Soma) and 4 beers. He reported the effects were mild, slightly sedated but far from highly influenced. Motor skills as normal, mind pretty clear and focused, stayed up and played a computer game for some hours hoping the effects would increase, but they didn't get stronger than slightly more relaxed and sedated than those 4 beers would have done on their own.

He went to bed and slept for 8 hours, woke up feeling no after effects or hangover.

With that said, he do not recommend anyone else to try such a combination as it is and can be quite dangerous but SWIM is quite aware of his somewhat unusual tolerance level and what he can handle but other people could have gotten into serious problems from doing such a combination or even a combination similar to it but less in strength / ingredients.

SWIM would like to add though that even though he has little recreational effects from high doses of above mentioned substances, the medical effects are still pretty fine in smaller normal prescribed dosages - For example 10mg Valium 3 times a day is still effective for what he got it prescribed for, and 1-2mg of Alprazolam is enough to get to sleep with if taken at bedtime, same for 15mg midazolam, and 2mg clonazepam is also effective for the medical reasons they've been prescribed for.

For some reason, it just seems that the effects do not increase very much even though prescribed amounts are highly exceeded and combined with even other substances that should make the effects even stronger. hm

[moda00]

Not getting into too much detail, but swim would second the suggestion of triazolam. She found it an interesting and unique benzo, has not used it recreationally or for sleep, but actually for "sedation dentistry," basically where one is awake but sedated, as opposed to general anesthesia but more powerful that nothing or just nitrous.. it is fast acting and powerful, and she found the sedative-hypnotic properties quite strong. Strong potential for amnesia, but if one is used to benzos and uses them for sleep, this should not be an issue. Be safe and enjoy!

[darkbreed]

SWIM thinks his GABA is buggered up indeed from long term high dosages of benzos. This means he now has gorilla high tolerance which doesnt seem to reset. Though, benzos are still of his favorites when done right and in high enough dosage.

[davestate]

OK, never mind how, but AFOAF has the choice of obtainingNitrazepam 40 of 5mg. Temazepam 40 of 30mg tabs. Valium 10mg, and a hell of a lot. Lorazepam 2mg. Clonazepam 2mg. Alprazolam 2mg or Bromazapam 3mg.

Personally I'm leaning towards the Nitrazepam . I wanted valium but the quantities of Valium are very large, and if caught I SWIM could be done for dealing, even though that isn't SWIMS intention.

So opinions anyone? Thanks in advance

[Jatelka]

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Please UTFSE and contribute to one of them, rather than starting a completely new thread

[darkbreed]

SWIM is currently experimenting with some new benzos. As mentioned above, Midazolam is one of these. Now after some more experimentation, he has to report that it is actually a quite nice benzo, his favorite route of administration is by simply smoking the crushed up pill in a rolled up cigarette as it gives a very instant and strong high. Only problem with this route is that the effect seem to be gone as soon the cigarette is done, more or less. But it gives a very different effect than taking it any other way, either that is swallowing it, putting it under the tounge, IV'ing it or putting i up the butt. He think he snorted some of it one day but he can't remember how that was like, so maybe that's a sign it was effective. Unfortunately he can't remember if he combined it with anything else either.

With that said, more experimentation needs to be done with midazolam before giving a real verdict. Last couple days he has been experimenting with the rectal route, crushing the pills up in powder, putting it in a mix of water and alcohol, and injecting it in with a syringe (with no needle obviously, just put the pump itself up the bottom and push away). This has so far proven to be a rather interesting and effective route of administration.

He is also currently about to experiment with ketazolam and Chlordiazepoxide which he just got today, and he'll try get some other benzos to soon. His goal is to get through all the benzos available in this country, it got some nice ones that is not available in his home-country, but then again his home-country got some nice ones as well that are not available here.