MDMA vs. MDA...?

[whereareyou]

what exactly is the difference between MDMA and MDA (besides the names)? in other words, what effects are different between the two? apparently swim had MDA last time and will soon be getting MDMA but i would like to know what to expect differently this time around. is it less intense or more intense?

[dclacomb]

MDMA is supposed to be more empathogenic, while MDA is more
psychedelic. Your average raver isn't going to be able to tell
the difference though.

[whereareyou]

Originally Posted by dclacomb

MDMA is supposed to be more empathogenic, while MDA is more psychedelic. Your average raver isn't going to be able to tell the difference though.

what exactly do you mean by 'empathogenic' as opposed to psychedelic? im aware of what psychedelic effects are but i dont believe i could compare it to 'empathogenic' effects.

[Nagognog2]

A deep feeling of oneness and closeness with the people you are with, assuming you are with folks you already know and trust. Rather like being suspended in a timeless place where love and peace are the all-pervading feeling in the universe. This differs from MDA as this sense is much more pronounced and intense. From a psychological standpoint, the MDMA removes fear and your defence mechanisms. This allows you to openly communicate that which might otherwise be embarrassing to you. MDA shows you glimpses of this possibility, but MDMA centers your focus on this feeling. For this reason, MDMA was, and rightly so, considered a major breakthrough in psychotherapy.

[ramjet]

I've had three batches of MDMA powder (as opposed to pills) and I'm pretty sure one of them was MDA. Initially it felt like I was coming up on shrooms and then, although I felt warm and close to my friends, with many of the typical MDMA traits, there was defintely something different,"trippier" and more forcedabout the whole experience. I prefer a clean MDMA roll.


What about MDE?

[raven3davis]

MDA is also speedier my friend tells me. MDA is also more visual, more "psychadelic." Since MDA works on the seratonin sysyem in your brain (5th) is had effects on your mood and vision. MDMA supposedly works more on 5ht1 neurons which manage mood and MDA works on more neurons such as 5ht2 which has effects on visual perception. This is why MDA is considered more psychadelic than MDMA. Also MDMA is considered more euphoric and more empathogenic because it works mostly on the 5th1 neurons which effect mood. MDA works more on the dopamine and norepinephrine which is what makes it more speedier. MDA does give a strong level of euphoria in most cases, just not as much ad MDMA since it doesnt work as much on the 5ht1 sites. Also it is said that MDA has a worse comedown that MDMA, but in SWIMS opinion, either can give a bitch of a comedown.





hope this helps mane, you should have a good time with good ole MDMA its a hell of a drug and so is MDA. They are much alike, but also much different. Very true though that your average raver might not even know the difference. Ravers probably perfer MDA or maybe a mix because of the speediness of MDA, it will keep your ass up all night waving your glowsticks aimlessly etc.

[franzgeorg]

I would like to know how easy it is to make MDA (not MDMA) from common ingredients that are available at local stores.


I would like do a paper on the step by step instructions on making this drug.





Thanks.......

[TranceAddict]

Originally Posted by franzgeorg

I would like to know how easy it is to make MDA (not MDMA)</font> from common ingredients that are available at local stores.


I would like do a paper on the step by step instructions on making this drug.





Thanks.......

save yourself the trouble and don't even bother because no one will
make MDA with "ingredients that are available at local stores" lol

[Nagognog2]

Me thinks he's been watching too many government scare films in school. You know the ones: "The evil drug pusher makes his devil-drug axe-tissy with mothballs and drain cleaner!"

[JewishNazi]

well, he might use some drain cleaner a little bit (assuming its lye) to basify solution....



Franzgeorg: Find a synth for MDMA via MDP2P and just replace
methylamine with the correct amount of ammonia. The other method
is starting with piperonal, creating the nitropropene (MDP2NP) and then
reducing. The former method is really better for MDMA because
methylamine, while still 'poisonous', is nowhere near as bad as ammonia
while the latter is terrible for MDMA because you would then either
have to methylate (and most likely form the di-, tri-, and quaternary
salt) and then reduce again

[Nagognog2]

I prefer the Polish synthesis using iso-safrole + HBr myself. Published in the late 1950's, it's genius is in it's simplicity.

[TheFonz]

SWIM shot his mouth off about the differences between MDMA and MDA. This is what he had to say....


MDMA: made him feel vulnerable, weak, like a pussy.....Said it made him like a good little school boy and he could add a star next to his name.....also, he dared to use the words "dopey" and "smacky", adjectives that were ment to be taken to help describe more of a chill, melow experience......Life lessons are felt, but not understood because he's in such a mind fuck......9/10 on the sensation intensity scale.....Ment to be taken at home with trusted/loved ones.

Comedown- DEEP, pussy euphoria, close to everyone one moment....then, without warning "well shit, were'd everyone go?" the next and then a straight bungy jump toward depression.

MDA: gave him more of a cocaine like euphoria(felt fantastic, strong, friends with everyone, like he had a 12 inch cock and all the women wanted it). He said it was the best external stimuli experience ever! Best described as High-Definition life and then some......7/10 level on the sesation intensity scale.......more of party, rave, club drug

comedown- more like walking down a slight decline back toward baseline. No depression, slight headache and a little tired the next day.



He felt that the higher than normal (often unpleasent to some) intensity associated with MDA is the fact the come-up is slower than MDMA. As a result, people who were sold pills that contain more MDA take more, thinking they bought MDMA pills and they might be weak, end up taking more and then their FUCKED later because of the dose they just took.....


SWIM said that the scenerio for making his comparison were "scientifically fair" (dose, tests, mood, environment, etc.).......


**The opinions expressed don't represent the opinions of THEFONZ, it's management, employees, or sponsors.** ;-p

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It's seldom to see someone favour MDA. interesting Point of view.

[snow child]

mdma- at home i love you drug.
mda- lets party.
there is the diffentance have fun be safe.
this is swims feeling on those two cems any way.

[stoneinfocus]

One might consider, that in a pill might be both MDA and MDMA, because maybe some amine mixed in if it was selfmade.

Swim told me, that if one was to make MeNH2 there might either NH4Cl within, when it´s used as the HCl or, if making the gas from MeNH2*HCl, some NH3 might evolve from the NH4Cl + (OH)-, giving ammonia in Methanol or water, so one might end up with the intented product plus some of the other specy. Is swim right on this one, or are products rather pure if bought on the street?

[Bajeda]

Originally Posted by betsym

SWIM found MDA to be a lot stronger and to last for a longer time, as well as being more visual, with colors, patterns, objects moving, and was more stimulating in effects on skin and hair. The empathy was present as well and the whole experience was one similar to mixing e and shrooms. SWIM also felt that the MDA came on faster than MDMA as opposed to slower. SWIM went to bed after several hours and, after waking up, pupils were still dilated and SWIM was still feeling effects. That would have been about 15 hours and only 1 pill. The sexually stimulating effects were also stronger than with MDMA. SWIM would say that she was less inclined to just cuddle and more inclined to "assume the position" or several. It did seem to resemble cocaine in the effects on self-confidence and euphoria. The overall intensity might be too much for some but not for high-stimulus folks.

The effects lasting that long is a bit odd. Maybe there was something else in the pill swiy took that is longer acting, such as meth perhaps?


Swim found MDA to have a longer peak that started fast but took longer to reach the apex, while MDMA starts off the same speed but zooms up to a ridiculous height quicker. With MDMA you have a number of minutes where the euphoria is too intense to do anything, while with MDA you can have up to an hour up mental orgasm where you just can't really function.

MDA had more body load effects than MDMA, and was more physically taxing overall. Swim has got chills and overheating symptoms easier with MDA than with MDMA, and found that feelings of nausea, soreness, and overstimulation (jaw clenching, sweating, etc.) were more easily achieved with MDA. The hangover effect the next day was much more pronounced with MDA, though it was physical in nature. With MDMA swim doesn't get much of anything in the way of hangover. He isn't sure about feelings of depression the next day. He has only experienced those when he broke his own standards for using these substances and used them with too little a break period inbetween. Its impossible to say with all the adulterated pills around and the like, but swim feels that feeling really depressed after an MDA or MDMA experience isn't really normal, and may have something to do with dose, exact material ingested, the setting of the experience and activities undertaken during, and other factors similar to these.

MDA has a much more tactile and visual nature than MDMA, which is more of a clear mental state. MDA is even more touch-sensitive than MDMA, and sexual feelings are more pronounced. Swim has also gotten some visuals off MDA, both open and closed eye. The open eye visuals he experienced took place near the onset and were short lived, though fascinating. The closed eye visuals were from a particularly stong MDA roll swim had, and came towards the comedown (swim thinks). Whenever swim closed his eyes he would see brilliant colours moving around like a visualizer (Milkdrop came to mind) and he also saw some messed up and freakishly bizarre images mixed in. Sometimes he would see flashes of faces or external imagery mixing in with the closed eye realm, such as looking at a hand but with his eyes closed swim saw the hand visualized in his mind as being constructed from the bone up to the skin while floating over a 3d grid of sorts, kind of like a computer animation program at work. It was a very intense experience and swim had to keep his eyes open most of the time as he would get sucked into the visuals whenever he closed them. That experience was intense on the whole though, with swim's jaw chattering like it never had before and him having to quell anxiety near the beginning to avoid a bad roll that was coming on as he was overheating and getting anxious. Swim has also gotten milder CEVs with lesser doses of MDA, but nothing like what he got that time.

MDA feels much less empathic than MDMA, but social interaction isn't stymied really, unless you are at a part of the roll that is extremely intense in its euphoric or visual aspects.

MDA is a great party and dance drug, while MDMA is a great sociable and introspective substance.

Those are swim's thoughts on the matter, explained in brief.