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Old 15-04-2010, 06:40
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What is sex like on Heroin?

Swim is new to H, well hasn't really tried yet, but soon will. Swim wants to know what is sex like on Heroin, what to expect?

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Old 15-04-2010, 08:01
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Swim has to give swiy a short reply as no time in his hands at the moment.

If enhancing sexual experience is what you’re after ,than swiy should definitely be looking for something else .
H is not a sexual stimulant –In fact it’s completely opposite
or so my aardvark seems to think.

Even if swiy finds sex enjoyable in the beginning under the influence of H – H will bite back and swiy will loose interest in sex altogether , amongst many other nasty things that come with heroin use


Cannabis should be a better enhancer in sex than heroin

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Old 15-04-2010, 09:21
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

It feels better than regular (sober) sex but swim doesnt really like fucking on it.
It takes FOREVER to bust or half the time you wont even bust.

Swim made one of his regular fwb's feel bad one time because she couldnt make swim bust, and somehow she thought it was her fault?

Anyways, it feels great; just you miss out on the best part.

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Old 15-04-2010, 09:29
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Initially it did enhance sex, orgasm was near impossible but good if SWIM was able to make it there and getting there was enhanced, not so much in a sensory/tactile way as an emtional way (if that makes sense). However, heroin quickly abolished SWIM's interest in sex once SWIM was strung out. It was too much of a hassle - for SWIM a good rush and nod was far better. Once SWIM stopped, sex drive returned with a vengeance as soon as the withdrawals and depression started to subside. SWIM agrees with SWIdiv4our - there are better things out there unless SWIM can control the habit and suffers from premature ejaculation. SWIM is male and has heard that females might have a different take on its effects. A few SWIM knew swore it was a great aphrodesiac for them.
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Old 15-04-2010, 09:51
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

I will try to skip the obvious advice of not starting to do heroin whatsoever OR switching/keeping to another ROA than IV use (which you should, btw ) and answer the OP's question based on SWIM's experience both personal and observing others.

Heroin is certainly not Viagra. It's one of those few hardcore drugs regarded by the whole planet as high risk drugs. It's definitely not worth it to be risking your whole life as you know it now for some few (assumingly) crazy sex parties.
"Only try it once" CAN & WILL hurt. While physical addiction takes quite some determination on regular usage of dope, you'll never forget that "heavenly feeling" of the rush & high, for the rest of your life.
And from that point you're caught already, coz you'll either turn into an addict OR struggle to keep away from it, while fighting this huge urge to "go back there just one more time".

Not worth it, really. There's a shitload of sexual enhancers out there, out of which many are more-or-less medically approved meds / local application solutions.
Hell, there's even other drugs for a great outstanding fuck.
Heroin's just not fit for this.


Like Kasbeq stated above, if you're looking for sexual enhancements, Heroin is not the way to go, varying from person to person, though. Also depending on what's more important to you as sexual ability.

I will try present SWIM's observations & knowledge in an organized way. Hope I succeed at doing so, too


The Sexual Pro's Of Heroin

+ Lower "local" sensitivity => Prolonged sexual act due to the opiate's general overall mild numbing effect that might get premature ejaculation completely out of the way if you're having this problem. However, note that this is causing a nasty counter-side effect, that I will mention in the "Con's List". Basically, you've just earned an ability to play Casanova for hours instead of the minutes you could barely fuck humanly before.

+ Increased pleasurefull sensations despite that mild numbing. Your body already feels great on Heroin's warm & fuzzy effect - having sex will add up to that pleasure (or viceversa - heroin adds to natural pleasure of sex lol).
All touching will feel 10x times better than normal.
An hours lasting plateau excitation phase can be quite pleasureful - to a point.


+ More or less intense lack of inhibitions caused by Heroin (and drugs in general) getting you that chill attitude on the issues you'd normally be stressed about. Both moral and physical, you'll probably get some long time fantasies running now - hopefully your partner will appreciate it and not run off naked in panic upon seeing the "pervert" you are. How you manifest is definitely controllable, however you do get impulses you usually don't get when sober.


+ Emotional openness that's always a good thing when having sex and adds up a lot to the whole experience, as long as you're not just having "a fuck" and you're really involved with that person - or you two are just matching your desires & passion for a pure-sex intense act




The Con's List gets....


- Mild to extreme toughness / impossibility to have an orgasm - hence, physical natural ability to get an ending of the whole pleasurefull thing, that might turn to a very frustrating one after hours of using every possible stimulation, both mental and physical, on that stubborn "organ" that's refusing to get any higher than the plateau phase and reach the heights of orgasm. Applies both to male & female

- High sex drive, low body feedback as you might be crazed set on having sex mentally, but your body might be just too relaxed for giving you what you "need" (aka limp dick junkie syndrome). Rare, but happens.

- Lower risks awareness resulting in ignoring safe sex precautions. Pretty important one, as by not putting that condom on you might just get some nasty STD - or HIV. Or you can get her pregnant & add up child support to your list of expenses for quite a while. This applies when having sex with strangers and not with your long-term partner....although you do run the risks with your partner too, depending on your relationship levels & circumstances.

- Being a boring stiff rag doll as you might be feeling SO good you'd get nodding off and that's surely not an exciting sex partner to have...

- Complete lack of sexual interest that grows proportionally to your addiction time lenght and intensity. As posters above mentioned, you'd eventually get to really prefer a good nodding off over "all that effort for nothing" . For an addict, yeah, the rush & high do get to become better than any orgasm - that you probably don't get anyway when being an addict.
Same, being an addict and having the physical effort making sex involves will speed up the WD process coming. Yet another reason to avoid sex, not only be barely interested in it. (to SWIM is...)



Will add more if SWIM gives me any updates.



* The plateau phase is the period of sexual excitement prior to orgasm.

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Great Pros & Cons list
That pro and con list is pretty informing, even for someone who knows the pros and cons.
Can't beat this answer; obviously a lot of time and consideration put into it.

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Old 15-04-2010, 10:18
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AW: What is sex like on Heroin?

Sex on Heroin is like ordering a Cappuccino and getting Codliver Oil!

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Brilliant analogy...couldn't have put it any better.
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Old 15-04-2010, 11:18
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Uhm...about the "different" effect on sexuality as females...

SWIM is definitely female, and her list above is mirroring her own "issues" just as much as they apply to male junkies she "observed" (read: had sex with).
Of course, not getting limp dicked as the female she is but really, no big differences...once she got addicted.
Before?
Oh yeah, as an occasional user it was a huge aphrodisiac, too much of an aphrodisiac actually, SWIM is not always too happy remembering the fuck-ups she had sex with in those occasional use days ....
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Old 15-04-2010, 11:57
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Like the saying swim can 'Keep it up like Errol Flynn' although beating it into submission can be tiring.

When addicted swim notices WD arriving sooner after orgasm.

Continuous long term H use (addiction) can alter the functioning of the pineal gland and lead to OPIATE INDUCED TESTOSTERONE DEFICIENCY summat to do with the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis.

Basically once addicted it reduces ur sex drive to minimal most of the time and to near none immediately after using. Occurs for women too who can also stop having peroids when addicted to H

H can be a great enhancment on many levels from pro-longed sex act to more open intense feelings discussions with partners, but swim would probably say E is the drug of choice for gettin loved up on H is more useful for escaping/dealing with reality!

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Interesting long term addiction effect, I'd suggest you put up some factual scientific info on it, too :)
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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+ More or less intense lack of inhibitions caused by Heroin (and drugs in general) getting you that chill attitude on the issues you'd normally be stressed about. Both moral and physical, you'll probably get some long time fantasies running now - hopefully your partner will appreciate it and not run off naked in panic upon seeing the "pervert" you are. How you manifest is definitely controllable, however you do get impulses you usually don't get when sober.

+ Emotional openness that's always a good thing when having sex and adds up a lot to the whole experience, as long as you're not just having "a fuck" and you're really involved with that person - or you two are just matching your desires & passion for a pure-sex intense act

- Lower risks awareness resulting in ignoring safe sex precautions. Pretty important one, as by not putting that condom on you might just get some nasty STD - or HIV. Or you can get her pregnant & add up child support to your list of expenses for quite a while. This applies when having sex with strangers and not with your long-term partner....although you do run the risks with your partner too, depending on your relationship levels & circumstances.
Without having done H himself, SWIM feels these mirror exactly the pro's and con's of sex on most drugs. They certainly could be applied directly to both coke and high levels of hydrocodone or oxycodone, all of which SWIM has had sex on. The one thing you mentioned SWIM will certainly attest to is that your inhibitions to mention sexual fantasies will be totally lost, so hopefully your partner and you have similar ideas that have yet to be expressed, or at the very least they are open minded to new things. SWIM has had partners both very turned off by the things that come to mind while on opiates and sexual, as well as partners who were on the exact same train of thought. He can also say even with partners he'd been with for long periods of time, the "lower risk awareness" has led to some awkward situations.
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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The one thing you mentioned SWIM will certainly attest to is that your inhibitions to mention sexual fantasies will be totally lost, so hopefully your partner and you have similar ideas that have yet to be expressed, or at the very least they are open minded to new things. SWIM has had partners both very turned off by the things that come to mind while on opiates and sexual, as well as partners who were on the exact same train of thought. He can also say even with partners he'd been with for long periods of time, the "lower risk awareness" has led to some awkward situations.
Lol @ that


SWIM also had both weird & awesome fantasy - connecting while having those nymphomaniac beginings

What's pretty strange to me is that the best sexxing ever has occurred with the most fucked-up junkies of them all.
Like, she totally wasn't expecting to have a great sexual bond with that begging "gimme-2-units-or-your-filter-pleaaaaase" type...or the complete ignorant "arteries are smaller veins" type... Stupidity is usually (always, unless really shit doped) the biggest sexual turn-off for her.
Yet, it happened.
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Lol @ that

SWIM also had both weird & awesome fantasy - connecting while having those nymphomaniac beginings
Sounds like SWIY had some crazy experiences. SWIM's were usually on coke, a few times on Oxy or Hydro or another stimulant. It is funny how you can even surprise yourself with the things that come to mind as "hey this is a great idea!" in those conditions. SWIM remembers his ex sneaking her best friends furry (but locking) handcuffs out of her apartment and back into ours, fully knowing she'd have to call her friend to get the keys. That seemed like a great idea until both SWIM and his ex started to come down a bit and actually had to make the phone call.
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?



Well, junkie to junkie and among junkies is not embarrassing at least...

What SWIM hated was just how she'd get fucken "brilliant" ideas while being among sober people.
Ex. : SWIM giving something very similar to a webcam show (so not really masturbating but not far either) to her sober confused embarrassed boyfriend on a grassy hill in a park.



And even when being among junkies, so "safe", she'd be very ingenious herself on how could she immortalize the moment (speaking about bad ideas that seem great when ur mind went nodding off and you hang around loose).

So SHE was suggesting some guy would record the happening thing - varying from innocent stupidities like "hey, film me shooting, then film my pupils, see if they restrain visibly!" (they don't) to the extreeemely reputation-stupid "hey, let's film this 4some messing around" (which was not quite sex but something like "can I do this? - heheee I can" thing - no one was really aroused but still...).
Even if the 4some of her & 3 male junkies wasn't quite sexual, it was on all these 3 junkies phones as vids, so I imagine it would have damaged SWIM's "good girl" reputation ...if she had one to start with

Things drugs get you doing ....
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Well, tourniquet I think your SWIY stories are a bit crazier than mine.

Although SWIM's usually ended in a more embarrassing way, either because his gf needed to enlist the help of one of her friends to fix it, or because they'd get into things that they would be well sober before figuring how to get out of.
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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I will try to skip the obvious advice of not starting to do heroin whatsoever OR switching/keeping to another ROA than IV use (which you should, btw ) and answer the OP's question based on SWIM's experience both personal and observing others.

Heroin is certainly not Viagra. It's one of those few hardcore drugs regarded by the whole planet as high risk drugs. It's definitely not worth it to be risking your whole life as you know it now for some few (assumingly) crazy sex parties.
"Only try it once" CAN & WILL hurt. While physical addiction takes quite some determination on regular usage of dope, you'll never forget that "heavenly feeling" of the rush & high, for the rest of your life.
And from that point you're caught already, coz you'll either turn into an addict OR struggle to keep away from it, while fighting this huge urge to "go back there just one more time".

Not worth it, really. There's a shitload of sexual enhancers out there, out of which many are more-or-less medically approved meds / local application solutions.
Hell, there's even other drugs for a great outstanding fuck.
Heroin's just not fit for this.


Like Kasbeq stated above, if you're looking for sexual enhancements, Heroin is not the way to go, varying from person to person, though. Also depending on what's more important to you as sexual ability.

I will try present SWIM's observations & knowledge in an organized way. Hope I succeed at doing so, too


The Sexual Pro's Of Heroin

+ Lower "local" sensitivity => Prolonged sexual act due to the opiate's general overall mild numbing effect that might get premature ejaculation completely out of the way if you're having this problem. However, note that this is causing a nasty counter-side effect, that I will mention in the "Con's List". Basically, you've just earned an ability to play Casanova for hours instead of the minutes you could barely fuck humanly before.

+ Increased pleasurefull sensations despite that mild numbing. Your body already feels great on Heroin's warm & fuzzy effect - having sex will add up to that pleasure (or viceversa - heroin adds to natural pleasure of sex lol).
All touching will feel 10x times better than normal.
An hours lasting plateau excitation phase can be quite pleasureful - to a point.


+ More or less intense lack of inhibitions caused by Heroin (and drugs in general) getting you that chill attitude on the issues you'd normally be stressed about. Both moral and physical, you'll probably get some long time fantasies running now - hopefully your partner will appreciate it and not run off naked in panic upon seeing the "pervert" you are. How you manifest is definitely controllable, however you do get impulses you usually don't get when sober.


+ Emotional openness that's always a good thing when having sex and adds up a lot to the whole experience, as long as you're not just having "a fuck" and you're really involved with that person - or you two are just matching your desires & passion for a pure-sex intense act




The Con's List gets....


- Mild to extreme toughness / impossibility to have an orgasm - hence, physical natural ability to get an ending of the whole pleasurefull thing, that might turn to a very frustrating one after hours of using every possible stimulation, both mental and physical, on that stubborn "organ" that's refusing to get any higher than the plateau phase and reach the heights of orgasm. Applies both to male & female

- High sex drive, low body feedback as you might be crazed set on having sex mentally, but your body might be just too relaxed for giving you what you "need" (aka limp dick junkie syndrome). Rare, but happens.

- Lower risks awareness resulting in ignoring safe sex precautions. Pretty important one, as by not putting that condom on you might just get some nasty STD - or HIV. Or you can get her pregnant & add up child support to your list of expenses for quite a while. This applies when having sex with strangers and not with your long-term partner....although you do run the risks with your partner too, depending on your relationship levels & circumstances.

- Being a boring stiff rag doll as you might be feeling SO good you'd get nodding off and that's surely not an exciting sex partner to have...

- Complete lack of sexual interest that grows proportionally to your addiction time lenght and intensity. As posters above mentioned, you'd eventually get to really prefer a good nodding off over "all that effort for nothing" . For an addict, yeah, the rush & high do get to become better than any orgasm - that you probably don't get anyway when being an addict.
Same, being an addict and having the physical effort making sex involves will speed up the WD process coming. Yet another reason to avoid sex, not only be barely interested in it. (to SWIM is...)



Will add more if SWIM gives me any updates.



* The plateau phase is the period of sexual excitement prior to orgasm.

This is really well written and extremely informative, exactly what i was looking for. SWIM really appreciates it and thanks SWIY deeply

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Well, junkie to junkie and among junkies is not embarrassing at least...

What SWIM hated was just how she'd get fucken "brilliant" ideas while being among sober people.
Ex. : SWIM giving something very similar to a webcam show (so not really masturbating but not far either) to her sober confused embarrassed boyfriend on a grassy hill in a park.



And even when being among junkies, so "safe", she'd be very ingenious herself on how could she immortalize the moment (speaking about bad ideas that seem great when ur mind went nodding off and you hang around loose).

So SHE was suggesting some guy would record the happening thing - varying from innocent stupidities like "hey, film me shooting, then film my pupils, see if they restrain visibly!" (they don't) to the extreeemely reputation-stupid "hey, let's film this 4some messing around" (which was not quite sex but something like "can I do this? - heheee I can" thing - no one was really aroused but still...).
Even if the 4some of her & 3 male junkies wasn't quite sexual, it was on all these 3 junkies phones as vids, so I imagine it would have damaged SWIM's "good girl" reputation ...if she had one to start with

Things drugs get you doing ....
HOT TRIPS!!!!

It funny because in Montreal those sexual trips are considered pretty normal amongst the sober crowd, imagine what the junkies are doing here hehe We are such a sexually open city I LOVE IT

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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

To RetroDat:

I'm really glad I could organize SWIM's observations in a comprehensive list.
Hell, I'm fucken proud about it
But please consider it's most probably pretty far from complete in presenting all the pro's and con's of Heroin usage, strictly from a sexual point of view!
Not even mentioning the Pro's and Con's of Heroin itself is a much much longer list of vital importance issues to consider!

Really happy I could help you out with your "doubts" ....and judging from your reply, I'd think you're mature enough to take both lists seriously, not only go all yiiipeee about the Pro's while skipping The Con's (that really are just as important, if not even more, btw)...


Hope your SWIM will consider these all in his decisions, and always choose what's best for him - personally.

Feel free to ask any other questions on this topic of Heroin-affected sexuality .... or any other Heroin topic!
Off-Topically speaking...I could provide a bit of insight on MDPV & DXM too....but nowhere would SWIM be *that* informed with those (or any other drugs, for that matter) as she is with Heroin (4 years addiction and counting - she's one of the young addicts though).

I will do my best to express the true ups & downs I got to be aware of, from SWIM's experiences.
I think that only telling the bad part, on any given drug, is only gonna get you ignored and regarded as a "scarecrow". So I prefer telling the truth, as complete as I can & with whatever humble knowledge SWIM has got over the facts.

May her lab-rat self-attitude help you, at least skip some common mistakes one could really do without...IF SWIY would really be *that* decided to play Russian Roulette with this sneaky, perverted Heroin.
PM me anytime !


Be informed, be responsible, be safe!
Knowledge IS power, use it wisely !


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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

SWIM apologizes for the short post but he's in a rush and just wanted to share his two cents and his experience:

SWIM has had many sexual experiences on heroin (SWIM is a heterosexual male, and only does heroin via snorting it btw) and has only ever had problems a few times. He has heard from many other people that it causes them to be unable to ejaculate, or even get a hard on for some. Some people claim that its like this every time for them. SWIM has had this problem maybe three or four times, and only when he is VERY loaded on H, but it has allowed him to last much longer and feel less fatigued after a half hour rump. He is usually able to get his rocks off though. And he has never been unable to get an erection however.
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Swim finds its super hard if not impossible to orgasm so he could thrust into his girlfriend as hard/fast as possible without worry of giving it up. That part is awesome! The part where sometimes you have to just give up and stop without having an orgasm is not!
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

opiates and sex do not go together. swim doesn't even care about sex on any opioid.
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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opiates and sex do not go together. swim doesn't even care about sex on any opioid.

Hmmm.......SWIM can only have sex when he's high, but hes physically addicted, so when not high= sick= not sexy.

Anyway, the above pro/con list pretty much covers it... It's very aphrodesiacal (new word!) for non addicts and newbies, once it takes over your life, not so much.
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Old 16-04-2010, 19:01
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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To RetroDat:

I'm really glad I could organize SWIM's observations in a comprehensive list.
Hell, I'm fucken proud about it
But please consider it's most probably pretty far from complete in presenting all the pro's and con's of Heroin usage, strictly from a sexual point of view!
Not even mentioning the Pro's and Con's of Heroin itself is a much much longer list of vital importance issues to consider!

Really happy I could help you out with your "doubts" ....and judging from your reply, I'd think you're mature enough to take both lists seriously, not only go all yiiipeee about the Pro's while skipping The Con's (that really are just as important, if not even more, btw)...


Hope your SWIM will consider these all in his decisions, and always choose what's best for him - personally.

Feel free to ask any other questions on this topic of Heroin-affected sexuality .... or any other Heroin topic!
Off-Topically speaking...I could provide a bit of insight on MDPV & DXM too....but nowhere would SWIM be *that* informed with those (or any other drugs, for that matter) as she is with Heroin (4 years addiction and counting - she's one of the young addicts though).

I will do my best to express the true ups & downs I got to be aware of, from SWIM's experiences.
I think that only telling the bad part, on any given drug, is only gonna get you ignored and regarded as a "scarecrow". So I prefer telling the truth, as complete as I can & with whatever humble knowledge SWIM has got over the facts.

May her lab-rat self-attitude help you, at least skip some common mistakes one could really do without...IF SWIY would really be *that* decided to play Russian Roulette with this sneaky, perverted Heroin.
PM me anytime !


Be informed, be responsible, be safe!
Knowledge IS power, use it wisely !

SWIY may have saved SWIM's life with that critical information, so SWIM is very grateful for that. SWIM will have alot of H question in the near future and looks forward to learning more!
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Old 16-04-2010, 19:33
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Swim says that having sex when high is highly unlikely, the H takes away all interest in sex...whereas crack, according to my fiend is a totally different set of events
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Old 16-04-2010, 23:09
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

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SWIY may have saved SWIM's life with that critical information, so SWIM is very grateful for that. SWIM will have alot of H question in the near future and looks forward to learning more!


Awwww now that's a bit too much to say to SWIM...appreciate it though




From your reply, I'm drawing the conclusion that SWIY will do heroin after all ... like, he's really set on "trying it".
Not judging mate, just observing.


There are SO many valuable threads, on a great variety of subjects regarding heroin use and the resulting problems one might encounter. Including many extremely visual and deep depictions of the everyday struggle a heroin addict gets to call "life".
IMO...that's the main thing SWIY should get as much insight as possible. Coz from addiction derive all other risks, from missed shots to life threatening artery hits & ODs, from spending all your savings to armed robbery.
Take a look at as many as you can, you do need to know...everything. Or at least as much of it as possible...BEFORE SWIY jumps in this train.


Private Messages - to me or anyone - should be preferred against open thread discussions as rare as possible, and only because they're more "intimate" and you might get an answer faster than if posting your question on the main forum.
Still, it's always better (and safer!) to imply more experienced knowledgeable members in open discussions and not PMs - your answer will be much much more accurate, hence reliable.



I'm sure you know this, and I'm not trying to offend your judgement by any means...but don't rely on Internet in general and on DF in special if you're having some crucial question/problem that requires an answer/solution while being under time pressure!



Keep researching!




EDIT

H2uk's post above got me doing a bit of research on Google. Here's what I've found.
It's actually a review of a scientific study, but it does explain this condition pretty well - best of the other results I've found.
Apparently, it's not such a wide known theory, as there weren't many results turning out on this exact "idea".


Opioid Induced Androgen Deficiency

Purpose of review: Opioid-induced androgen deficiency has become one of the most common causes of testosterone deficiency among men in many communities. Its increase parallels the large increase in opioid use. This form of hypogonadotrophic hypogonadism is present in most men chronically consuming sustained-action opioids, including those receiving methadone for heroin addiction and those consuming opioids for control of either malignant or non-malignant chronic pain. A similar, but less well defined illness occurs in women. Opioid-induced androgen deficiency is not widely recognized. This review examines its pathophysiology, some of its signs and symptoms, and indicates some areas where current observations suggest additional investigations would be fruitful.

Recent findings: Recognition of opioid-induced androgen deficiency in men not receiving methadone for heroin addiction is a new observation, and in these men contributes to fatigue, depression, vasomotor phenomena, anemia, diminished libido, erectile dysfunction and osteoporosis. These signs and symptoms improved during testosterone replacement therapy in several small non-placebo-controlled trials.

Summary: A large majority of men consuming sustained-action opioids have symptomatic androgen deficiency which apparently responds to replacement therapy. Opioid-induced androgen deficiency is frequently overlooked, with its symptoms attributed to underlying disease states including malignant disease, chronic back disorders, HIV disease, and psychosocial illnesses contributing to opioid habituation.

- Review of Opioid-induced androgen deficiency,
Daniell, Harry W
© 2006 Lippincott Williams & Wilkins, Inc.

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Old 17-04-2010, 01:00
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

This has really made SWIM think.

Back when he was around 19 he was prescribed venlafaxine and he pretty much became impotent. But even after he scrapped the venlafaxine (which was horrible, thanks to the withdrawal "brain zaps" whose memory still makes SWIM nauseous when he gets static shocks) he still had difficulty "finishing the job". This has continued to this day and SWIM has blamed solely on the SSRI's permanently changing the way his body works.

It seems although that SWIM was extremelly stupid and never linked the symptoms to his commencing of use around the same time.

At least now SWIM can add sexual frustration to the list of reasons to get clean...
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Old 17-04-2010, 19:26
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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

Swim thinks after reading the article below that if choosing maintenance and not using on top maybe bupe is the way to go re libido/testosterone

Sexual function in patients receiving buprenorphine or high-dose methadone maintenance

The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism Vol. 90, No. 1 203-206
Copyright © 2005 by The Endocrine Society

[h2] Plasma Testosterone and Sexual Function in Men Receiving Buprenorphine Maintenance for Opioid Dependence [/h2]

Abstract
High-dose methadone is well known to cause testosterone deficiency and sexual dysfunction in opioid-dependent men. Buprenorphine is a new drug for the pharmacotherapy of opioid dependence. Its influence on the gonadal axis has not been investigated to date. We therefore assayed testosterone, free testosterone, estradiol, SHBG, LH, FSH, and prolactin in 17 men treated with buprenorphine.

Thirty-seven men treated with high-dose methadone and 51 healthy blood donors served as controls. Sexual function and depression were assessed using a self-rating sexual function questionnaire and the Beck Depression Inventory. Patients treated with buprenorphine had a significantly higher testosterone level compared with patients treated with methadone.

The testosterone level of buprenorphine-treated patients did not differ from that of healthy controls. In conclusion, we demonstrated for the first time that buprenorphine, in contrast with high-dose methadone, seems not to suppress plasma testosterone in heroin-addicted men.

To this effect, buprenorphine was less frequently related to sexual side effects. Buprenorphine might therefore be favored in the treatment of opioid dependence to prevent patients from the clinical consequences of methadone-induced hypogonadism.

The patients maintained on buprenorphine had significantly higher mean total and mean free testosterone levels compared with the patients maintained on methadone

In patients treated with buprenorphine, libido was reduced in 23%, and potency was reduced in 12% of the subjects. The frequency of sexual dysfunction was significantly lower than that in methadone-treated men....
.... Patients taking methadone had a very high frequency of sexual dysfunction; libido was reduced in 83%, and potency was reduced in 72%. The degree of impairment of libido and potency was higher in the methadone group than in the buprenorphine group

Swim also thinks this is affected by the length of habit and also whether its heroin alone or methadone as well

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Re: What is sex like on Heroin?

SWIM would say that when it comes to sex and opiates, your dose is key. A small dose will help you last longer, but too big of a dose (perhaps even before the point of actually nodding) will make it REALLY difficult to finish. It isn't like stimulants where it'll be difficult to get it up (you will), but you will usually only make it halfway there.

Apart from that, your sex drive/interest will probably be really low — you'll be bored and unexciting. The actual orgasm itself is nothing amazing, it's a bit better than usual I'd say...

In summary, SWIM's opinion is that anything sexual on opiates is rather wasteful. You'd be better off just enjoying the high by chilling out than trying to screw someones brains out

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