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Please add your experiences with 2-DPMP here. Please add dosage, route and duration to the top of your post like this:
Originally Posted by EXAMPLE
Dosage: 12 mg in one glass juice
Duration: 2 hours
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Is 4FMP-M another acronym for desoxypipradol?
Or maybe it's just a mistake and it's something else?
I had never heard of this name yet.
In all case, here is my contribution to the thread :
The lab rat is a 55kg male, in his twenties.
He has some experiences with stimulants (street amphetamine sulfate, some beta-ketones, etc), but had not taken anything for months when he tried desoxypipradol. He has never taken methylphenidate, which seems to be closely related to desoxypipradol.
First try : ~20mg insufflated.
The first few (5-6) hours he liked the effect, attention and focus was enhanced, and it was helping him for studying.
But then that effect started to disappear, and he started being nervous and tired. Sleep deprivation was intense, even if he was feeling quite tired. Actually he wasn't able to sleep until 3 days (!), during which he couln't focus on something anymore, so he was just wandering around in his house like a zombie waiting for the effects of the substance to wear off. He's insomniac and used to not sleep the night, but 3 days was definately too long and unsafe.
When he was finally able to sleep, his sleep was still not easy, and he felt very tired the day after.
He also experienced the worst jaw tension he has ever encountered, he even accidentely bite his tongue so much that it was painful for a week.
The effect was never actually too strong, it was just way too long, and with many unpleasant side-effects.
It was his worst experience with a stimulant, but he also took quite too much for a first trial (many people report 20mg being a very strong dose).
Second try : ~3mg ingested (2 weeks after the first trial).
This time the subject didn't want to make the same mistake, so he measured a few milligrams using volumetric methods (desoxypipradol diluted in distilled water).
He took it again to see if desoxypipradol could help him for studying. To his surprise the substance was still potent at this very light dosage. But this time he didn't even feel focused, the same feeling of being "zombified" directly started (but it was bearable this time). It made him nervous again, but maybe it was because of the bad memories of the previous experience.
He was able to sleep on the evening some 12 hours later, but it was a bit difficult.
He doesn't think he will try this substance again, that's not something for him, and now he's too disgusted about this stimulant to want to try it again.
But he was also irresponsible to take so much for his first trial, and maybe he's also a bit oversensitive to desoxypipradol.
Maybe that people looking for a long acting stimulant could find this substance useful, but he doesn't recommand it.
SWIM took 10mg at 3 pm. After half an hour to one hour SWIM felt it work. SWIM was very awake and wanted to do some work. SWIM worked on his computer for about one hour until SWIM had a bad headache. SWIM took some painkillers. Continued work until 7 am. SWIMs eye lids felt heavy so he decided to sleep, but it was impossible. Every 20 seconds he had to open his eyes and look on the white wall above him. So he took 1mg xanax, 600mg seroquel and 60mg chlorprothixe. An hour later he felt asleep. His dreams were very intense and strange. At 4 pm he woke up with a giant headache so he took another 400mg ibuprofen. The sleep was not very good so he took another 400mg of seroquel and went to bed. Awakening at midnight, headache again!
SWIM paused one day and took some desoxy again, but he splitted the dosage from 1 time 10mg to 3-4 times of 5mg. Now he is taking desoxy for about a week. He is very awake and clear in his mind. SWIM wants to work, he wants to do something, he is on the run! The problem with the headache didnt appear a second time since the first use! Sleeping isnt a problem either because he has to take his night medication anyway.
Conclusion: SWIM searched a substance that would help him over his massive hangover from the night medication. Before the desoxy he drank a lot of coffee and energy-drinks. Took some colanut and guarana. Amphetamines and cocaine were out of the question because he wanted to stay really "clear" in his head and mind. Methylphenidate could only be prescribed off-label by his doctor, he never really asked for it because he thought he wouldnt agree anyway! So he found the desoxy and is really happy with it. The often claimed negative point, the long duration of its effects he can control with his night medication. The dosing is another problem, even with a scale it can make problems. SWIM dosed like this: he took a toothpick, licked the head of it, scaled it, put it in the desoxy and scaled again! The only thing negative at the moment is the price!
SWIM will take the desoxy now every day until he runs out of it. Perhaps he will try i.v. use ( i think its more efficient). SWIM will repost if any adverse effects occur with this high and daily dosage. Hope SWIM could help with his report and exuse him if he made some mistackes in language (SWIM is not a native speaker)
Edit: Adding news about SWIMs daily usage!
Now SWIM uses the desoxy for over 2 weeks. First SWIM took 3-4 dosages of 5mg a day which was a little bit to much, so SWIM tried to figure out a good dosage for daily use. So SWIM reduced to 5mg a day, which seem to be perfect for him. Now to SWIMS adverse effects occuring during 2 weeks of usage: SWIM had some reapeating thoughts, he had to think through some stuff again and again until he was happy with it. This occured every day but SWIM didnt experience this as bad. No, SWIM was more concentrated and searching for perfection. So it seems, no idea if its the truth! Another effect SWIM noticed was getting pickels, not much but one got angry. SWIM can not be 100% sure that the desoxy made them but it is possible. The last and baddest effect SWIM got from using is bruxism. SWIM is "playing" with his teeth every second he is awake. From dangling his teeth to pressing his jaws against each other, its all in the game. SWIMs jaw hurts when he wakes up in the morning and his teeth got a little bit losse trough the dangling. This may sound a little bit strange but SWIM knew that there would and could be adverse effects. On the other hand SWIM integrated the desoxy perfectly in his life. SWIM will keep on reporting and tell if something new happens!
The bruxism now lead to heavy pain in SWIMs ears. Its really hurting inhuman and SWIM will take some painkillers now and try to get some sleep.
Edit3: Bruxism under control
SWIM tried to get the bruxism under control, now it got better, only little ear pain left. Some thing SWIM didnt report yet is a light paranoia-feeling after 1-2 days without sleep working in front of the computer. But SWIM didnt really mind because he knew that it was introduced by not sleeping and working to hard and concentrated while being on the desoxy.
Drinking one beer works really well to weaken the effects of the RC a little bit.
Today it was really very hot up here under the roof and SWIM took 1mg of alprazolam to come down a little bit. SWIM takes 1mg of alprazolam anyway as his night medication but today he took it some hours earlier. No idea if its worth to be mentioned but SWIM wants to inform SWIY about every thing he experiences.
The drug was taken at home in a comfortable setting. Previous exposure to NDRI's includes methylphenidate, (Ritalin, Concerta) methyenedioxypyrovalerone (MDPV), cocaine. There had been no recent use of psychostimulants. The test subjected was permitted the usual environmental enrichment. The temperature was warm, window open for fresh air. His mindset was somewhat ambivalent; a poor nights sleep rendered him with a slight lack of motivation.
12:58 - 8mg insufflated. A very unpleasant pain is experienced that persists for <5 minutes. On par with insufflating 2C-x compounds, not as painful as insufflating Dimethyltryptamine (DMT).
12:59 - HR 80 BPM
1:03 - A headache localized to the anterior section of the frontal lobe is apparent. It then ceases within 1 minute.
1:05 - Threshold CNS stimulation is first noticed.
1:13 - Very gradual rise in focus and stimulation. Comparable to a low/moderate dose of time release methylphenidate.
1:18 - Hear Rate: 96 BPM. Significant increase in perspiration under the arms is prevalent, akin to action of amphetamine.
1:31 - HR 92 BPM
1:57 - HR 100 BPM
3:02 - HR 84 BPM
3:32 - HR 84 BPM
Commentary: At a first exposure this appears to be a very useful long acting psychostimulant. The subjects resting heart rate is usually in the 60-70 BPM range and it was generally elevated for duration of the first day. This report ends where he proceeded with his daily activities. The most noticeable effects tapered off between the 3-6 hour mark making a concrete assessment difficult but he did observe a general increase in focus and concentration for the remainder of the day. Ethanol and cannabis were employed in a recreational manner and served as a sleep aid; it would likely have been somewhat difficult to fall asleep otherwise - another assay is required. Unlike MDPV this compound produces no noticeable come down or hangover.
2-DPMP has a very generic stimulatory effect on the test subject most comparable to methylphenidate. At this dose it caused a significant but not overwhelming rise in mental energy, clarity, focus, and some rise in motivation as well. His activities and tasks for that day were carried out with more efficiency and were more enjoyable to accomplish. In contrast, amphetamine (dextroamphetamine, IR, adderall, ER) can cause some euphoria with a low tolerance and has been noted to, ironically, impair his concentration while he experiences a rise in stimulation. Not surprisingly it should be noted that cocaine would be even greater extension on this side of the spectrum; even more euphoric and thus much more recreational than therapeutic (as a study aid). Also in contrast, MDPV takes effect and reaches a peak too quickly, then tapers off and comes down rapidly as well. There is no euphoria as with 2-DPMP, but its quick action and comedown make it less preferable unless he were to only require about an hour or two of stimulation. This compound is also less effective for his purposes.
Caveat lector, I predict that some individuals would experience quite serious sleep issues as a result of the extended NDRI activity. I think there could also be a significantly difficult withdrawal period if long term use of this compound was ceased, because of the much longer half life, daily dosing would solidify the rate of tonic firing more so than daily use of the closely related, extended release preparations of methylphenidate like Concerta.
Recently found a notebook in the gym that I frequent with a handful of journal entries, some of which I've decided to transcribe. Accordingly, I can't personally elaborate on any effects described. Here's one of them:
Originally Posted by Notebook
Absolute caution is utterly mandatory with 2-DPMP/Desoxypipradol. Administration without a reliable milligram scale is reckless and asinine.
154 lbs., 5'10''
Context: prior exposure to a variety of stimulants
Setting: desk for work at home.
Approx. 1mg/mL. Began with slightly under 1mL sublingually, ~10 min. after waking up.
2:47: Some stomach grumbling noted. Could be nothing, a bit early to tell. Can easily taste the presence of compound in water.
9:29: First feelings of perceptible stimulation. Water swallowed; taste still quite present
13:00: Very subtle motivation and little peripheral stimulation. Groggy eyes made wide. A difficult to articulate 'rising' sensation is observed in the chest, quite reminiscent of psychomotor stimulants used as treatments such as amphetamines & methylphenidate.
18:00: Some (very) minor peripheral stimulation noted. Body temperature rises, minor propensity to move more (bouncing knees, etc.). 'Background' stimulation rising; motivation enhanced, slight rise in mood.
30:00: Stimulation has become less subtle, though peripheral side-effects are at a surprising minimum. Compared to MDPV, this compound is dramatically more functional thus far.
1:12:50: Stable stimulation; not too emotionally pushy, not too subtle. No significant 'upps & downs.' Peripheral effects are negligible compared to amphetamines.
1:23:00: 0.5 mg added sublingually.
1:41:30: Motivation has surprisingly wavered slightly. Stimulation still present, eyes wide open - but there's a tendency to stare off, procrastinate, and just generally avoid tasks.
2:06:00 Gobbled good sized meal.
3:26:00 Don't know if it was the meal, but beneficial effects have returned and rise. Some interesting side-effects have been noticed - most notably a tendency to misread words as ones of similar spelling, akin to dyslexia. Also, there's a proclivity to stretching and contracting muscles simultaneously - with a rewarding sensation, quite pleasurable as a result of prolonged stretches of the abdomen in particular. Not-so-interesting side effect noted: occasional body-temperature fluctuations, and general temperature sensitivity.
4:17:50 Mild diuretic effects are noted.
5:30:00 First signs of a decrease in stimulation. Focusing becomes slightly more difficult, and interest in tedious tasks is reduced. No significant appetite suppression has been noted.
5:40:00 Stimulation continues to subside. 0.5 mL added sublingually.
7:51:00 Booster dose was quickly recognized and helpful. Beginning of what appears to be a prolonged termination of effects.
10:32:15: Still on a very gradual decline of effects. For whatever reason, eating carbohydrate-rich meals is quite satisfying - more so than usual. Additionally, very little appetite suppression is noted whatsoever. .3 mg alprazolam ingested to try and expedite termination of stimulation (plan to try and sleep within the next 3-4 hours). So far, this has been quite functional; a sustained productivity dedicated to one task at a time - rather than racing thoughts and distracting euphoria - is noted. Verbal skills seem unaltered excluding the strange letter-swapping. Higher attack dose will be explored.
16:00:00 Was able to get to sleep with relatively little difficulty. As a full night's sleep was a necessity, no risks were taken; approx. .05-.06 mg alprazolam insufflated via nasal atomizer, along with approx. ~12.5 mg diphenhydramine orally (not overly high doses). Dreams were interesting and vivid. For a trial run, this was quite successful and recommended to individuals who have a trustworthy mg scale, and understand the method of volumetric dosing.
Next day follow-up: Woke up in good spirits, slightly more sensitive to cold temperatures than normal - but not significantly so. There appears to be little to no next-day hangover to negotiate at lower doses (given sleep).
3 mL (mg) taken sublingually, allowed to sit for ~8min, and swallowed to an empty stomach. Similarly productive state of mind was exploited, and sustained for 7-8 hours. Decline in effects is not nearly as rapid as any other stimulant, caffeine included. There is a distinction between the stimulation by this compound at admittedly low doses, and that of other stimulants traditionally used as aids in productivity; it's quite easy to forget that the compound was administered, and go about the day as though un-altered - a desirable feature, this entry proposes, in a productivity aid.
Duration of main effects: hovers around 10 hrs
Duration of after-effects (residual stimulation without useful productivity): Difficult to determine, as main effects last long enough to accommodate a full day of work with some time to spare.
Addictive qualities: Entirely absent
Abuse potential: Quite conceivable for individuals with a propensity to ingest productivity aids daily.
Other notes: These experiences were not on sequential days. Dosage appears to be the key with this agent - and the entry asserts that a precise milligram scale, ideally coupled with volumetric dosing, is arguably obligatory. There is no urge to explore higher doses, as 3-4mg appears to do the job quite well. The termination of effects seems markedly benign, with a 'crash' characterized predominantly as general lethargy with minor headaches. Sleep is most likely a difficult prospect without any kind of sedative, though OTC agents such as diphenhydramine/doxylamine appear effective. Low doses combine favorably with low doses of kratom. Dose-response curve, however, is likely quite unforgiving. Of course, YMMV.
Comparison to Adderall: Lower in euphoria and peripheral side-effects, though comparable in enhancements of motivation and focus. Longer duration by ~4 hours. This entry notes a more favorable affect on patience; frivolous frustration does not emerge as readily with 2-DPMP
Comparison to MDPV: Far more tolerable and gradual termination of effects. 2-DPMP is lower in euphoria, much longer in effects, and preferable for productivity.
I must strongly emphasize the volatile nature of this compound's dose-resopnse curve. Appropriate doses appear decidedly low; this is not a party drug by any means. Any foolish attempt at utilizing it as such will inevitably result in dangerous overstimulation, and potential fatality. To reiterate at the risk of redundancy... Absolute caution is utterly mandatory with 2-DPMP. In sum: this is not a toy, and potentially presents genuine danger.
I also thought I could share a few experiences on this new stimulant that I happened to hear in local supermarket from about 30 year old person I happened to know. He is not very experienced with stimulants overall, though has tried more or less all of them at least once. He does not use any stimulant regularly, not even caffeine in any form, so he seems to have some sensitivity to them as even a half dose of single energy drink (~50mg caffeine) keeps him very active and alert for 4-6 hours after poor night.
So, he had used his mg scale to its fullest and taken ~1mg dose on a few consequent mornings after only 3-5 hours of sleep per night (normally he mentioned to be sleeping 8 hours to have a good rest). This amount of 2-dpmp worked like a full energy drink (~100mg caffeine) extended to about 10 hours, after which it started to become less and less noticable. The effects had lingered well beyond 15 hours, which in turn caused slight disturbances in the sleeping rhythm the following night. Due the strict working and family affair schedule (he has two young kids), the night was left short easily and thus the following day a new low-dose supplement was needed. Overall his opinions were quite good on the experience, he mostly forgot the whole thing for the day. Working was good, steady energy, no specific euphoria but also nothing negative to say. Specifically good seemed to be the lack of "peak" experience which is typical to some stimulants, i.e. that they are very strong for a few hours and with a long downward tail. This seemed to keep a long steady plateau of energy on this low dose at least. Also physical side-effects seemed to be absent on this amount. With caffeine he often got sweaty palms and slight jitters, with this nothing. The only problem he mentioned was specifically this length, which could disturb his regular sleeping patterns easily if the dose was taken too late. There seemed to be small tolerance buildup even after 4 days of this low-dose experiment, but after stopping there was no other significant problem than catching up with the lack of sleep from previous nights.
All in all he rated the compound was very good for working and general "push tiredness a day later" sort of workout on the small dose. But as with other stimulants, he thought this one also would produce some dependency if used regularly. No other psychoactives were consumed during this period.
Found a notebook containing the following reports.
Subject: Male, approx 65kg, over 210cm tall
Powder on end of small spatula. Oral. 10:30am
Taste is bitter with an unusual flavour.
2 minutes of sublingual absorption before swallowing.
t=3 occasional awareness of altered headspace when sitting. No other noticeable effects. Appetite seems very mildly inhibited. no very noticeable stimulation or other effects.
t=5 appetite is unsupressed, and may never have been
same effects as before but no altered headspace.
t=7 no increased desire to work or other effects, any changes in ability to work are insignificant.
t=9 no effects
quantities at this point were volumetrically measured in water and dried. (75mg in 30mls tap water, took approx 48hrs to dry)
~5mg dissolved in water. Oral. 12:15pm
t=1:00 miniscule headache
t=1:45 miniscule nausea, likely unrelated. feeling fast.
again, limited increased concentration ability (CA herein), however there is no certainty that this is a result of the drug
able to sleep without issue.
~5mg dissolved in water. oral. 12:30pm
no exercise all day (factor in insomnia). Possibly of note is excessive consumption of tarragon and star anise throughout day. (MAOI activity not studied, but in vivo conversion to PMA which is a strong MAOI)
effects were not as noticeable as before. again, insignificant CA increase (p=.50)
around t=11 mild clenching of the jaw was noticed, likely to have been occurring since t=10.
t=13.5 sleep attempted. Relaxed, but unable to sleep and little if any tiredness.
t=14 0.9mls GBL administered.
t=15.5 still awake and not particularly tired. Also hungry, but no desire to eat food. Further 1.2mls GBL administered, small amount of food eaten quells hunger. BPM64
t=16.75 still not particularly tired. 2.0mls of GBL administered.
t=17 effects of GBL are noticeable.
t=17.5 still awake but sedation very noticeable from GBL
t=19.5 disturbed and feel like sleeping again will not be possible. No further thoughts recalled, suggesting immediate return to sleep (possibly a dream?).
t=21.5 awaken and try to sleep more. after 10mins bed is left to use toilet. do not feel tired, and feel that attempting sleep will be futile.
t=23 bread, milk and eggs eaten. not especially hungry as would be predicted from lack of food in last 24hrs.
t=23.5 lecture attended significant CA increase, possibly because of drug (p=0.75) some mistakes made, but feeling "on the ball"
t=25.5 still not tired or feeling particularly run-down.
t=30. BPM 80. feel a little tired.
t=32 general discomfort. feeling tired.
t=34 bpm 80
t=38 GBL (2.3mls) administered over 1 hour to induce sleep. slept for 5.5 hours.
t=45 bpm between 80 and 90 while semi active during day. uncomfortable at times. Very sweaty despite being cool. Shivering when only a bit cold.
t=54 bpm 80 urinary retention noticed. In retrospect, thirst and urination have been minimal over the last few days.
t=54-58 several litres of water consumed, urinating more regularly.
t=61 bpm 64, able to sleep naturally for 9 hours.
10/01/01 5mg, oral, dissolved in warm water
t-(-0:30) ate bowl of cereal
t 11:30 5mg oral dissolved in warm water. bpm 67
t 1:00 bpm 69
t 4:00 bpm 73 start revising
t 4:30 bpm 70 work appears easy, feel like concentrating hard is coming naturally and could continue indefinitely.
t 4:45 vasoconstriction evident in genitals
t 5:15 effect appears to have waned
t 6:00 whilst watching a video, i feel light, floaty. Jaw tension noticed
t 7:15-10 good amount of work done, strong focus when distractions are gone. BPM ~73 throughout
t 11:30 BPM 74 jaw still clenchy
t 12:30 BPM 72
t 1:30am Difficulty sleeping BPM 68.
t 2:00 2.5mls GBL distracts from sleep because of euphoria. pleasurable effects may be enhanced by 2-dpmp
t 3:00-6:00 some light sleep achieved
t 6:00-8:00 sleep attempted despite not feeling tired, along with some memory work. Neither is very successful.
t 8:00 Wake up, eat breakfast normally
t 10:30am BPM 75
Feel stimulated until around 6pm No increase in focus in this day (second). Able to sleep very easily and well after trying at 3am (day 3).
The compound takes a long time to take effect fully, several hours. Unusual because of it's lipophilic structure.
There is no noticeable comedown, nor any real tiredness from the disturbed sleep pattern.
The effect on the ability to concentrate is very subtle, but once one knows what they're looking for, it is clear. It becomes very easy to study, there is little boredom, and the thought of changing activity is unappealing. If there is a need to do research on the web or similar, then this benefit is nulled, and the effects are less useful.
There is no tiredness. It is easy to stay awake, work, do whatever. Sleep was only attempted because it was felt necessary
The bladder is affected. It appears that the urge to urinate is simply removed. Upon trying to urinate it was not difficult, and there was a large amount of urine because of deliberate extra fluid intake in the last trial, but there was no corresponding urge to urinate.
There is a slight heart rate increase, but this is not huge, not uncomfortable at 5mg, but the 30% increase at 10mg was uncomfortable.
There was no elevated mood, euphoria or other recreational effects.
It is still unclear why the first tests produced no insomnia. I wonder if there is an active metabolite which the subject initially lacked an enzyme for.
Good for prolonged study attempts, but no doubt the sleep deprivation would prove dangerous if used regularly.
This is a functional stimulant, not a recreational one, and is not very abusable.
I overheard a story about 2-DPMP at a bathhouse. The man, who appeared to be in his late twenties, was in average physical/mental health, and was remarkable sexually attractive, relayed the following to a fat man he was sharing a bubble bath with.
He received 1 gram from overseas, the powder was white with a hint of yellow and clumped easily, like a fluffier version of good cocaine. He was excited to start his experiments and administered 5 mg (+/- 1mg) to himself via insufflation at 9am. He said the onset of the effects were slow and pleasant, comparable to time release amphetamines. There was a lift in his mood, but no pronounced euphoria. He went to work and wasn't bothered by the mundane tasks he had to do. He was focused and efficient, he almost liked working that day. He waited for 4 hours and administered another 5mg to see if it had any more positive effects. He said, after redosing, he didn't realize the first dose hadn't taken its full effect and braced himself for the anxiety and headaches that come with high doses of stimulants. The onset of the second dose took less time. He said there was no anxiety or dysphoria, but there was no further mood elevation. He said his face and jaw muscles were tense for hours and he felt only slightly "zombified". The effects lasted a long time were still prominent. He tossed and turned for hours but was able to get 3 or 4 hours of light sleep. When he woke up he still felt the effects. He said he didn't crash, just had a slow and drawn out diminishing of effects with no cravings to take more.
He warned the man he was talking to about the gradual onset of this chemical and said that he would take this again, but only once in the early morning and taking no than 5 mg a day. He said it was a very useful "working" drug but also extremely potent and not something that someone would want to take to get a strong rush off of because at higher doses, only the negative side effects increase. He also thinks that the desire to take it every morning because of its positive impact on his performance and overall outlook might be a concern.
(over)Dose taken: 50mg* (hint, wear glasses when reading scales if you need them, it would appear that decimal points are put in between numbers like 5 and 0 on scales for very good reasons to do with 'mathematical accuracy')
Route of admin: Smoked slowly over an hour. Setting: Various. Duration: 70 hours. Main effects: 1 hour of non euphoric stimulation, 1 hour of slight productivity, followed by 80 hours of paranoid stimulant axiety. Side effects: High BP, high BPM, Excessive Bruxism, Mild hallucinations, Chest Pain, Palpitations. Rating of experience: -1 addictive qualities / abuse potential: None, unless just including first few minutes of mild rush.
Not going to go into major detail of events/situations here, but I have a very good idea of a lot of useful cardio data throughout the experience, and will try to just include that plus the major reasons for the changes in them.
T=0 Taken after being awake for 10 hours already. Smoked the overdose of 2-DPMP slowly in a long rollie over an hour to help study (this ROA is HIGHLY not recommended, this fool was being impatient and curious). Presumed it was a very light powder as it did look like a lot, and had scales on an unusual sig fig point setting. Unaware that dose was ten times expected dose (50mg). Few tokes every other minute. Immediate rush, very brief though. Soon as it was all finished became very aware it was far too strong. Small pupils.
t + 2 Very restless, killer headache. Can still vaguely concentrate on tasks with effort. BPM 100.
t + 3 Very restless, very aware of heart, headache worse, chest muslces tight, can not focus on anything productive. BPM 90. Small pupils.
t + 5 Restless, uneasy, blurred vision, dont want to move, resting BPM 90. Very cold feet.
t + 6 Bad paranoia, takes 5 minute walk, all else same as above (except BPM 120 after walk and mild Mydriasis)
t + 7 Tight chest, bad paranoia, blurred vision, pronounced Mydriasis (constantly pronounced from now on till t=~36), very hot. Temp: 103C / Oxygen saturation = 96% / BPM (after 10 min walk) 130 / BP 200/110.
t + 8 Same as above. Resting BPM 120 / BP 180/100
t + 9 Have not moved for hour. 5mg Diazepam swallowed. BPM 100 / BP 170/100
t + 10 the 5mg Diazepam onset is felt, muscles much more relaxed and paranoia is decreased significantly. Resting BPM 100 BP 170/95
t + 11 Peak of diazepam felt, still tight chest and headache. BPM 95 / BP 175/100
t + 13 Effects of diazepam now completely unapparent, mentally and physically. Feel very weak. Walk for 10 minutes > BPM 150 / BP 200/110. Chest pain (specially round heart) unbearable. Blackout two times in five minutes.
t + 15 At rest, oxygen levels 96 (fine, and remain so throughout), BP 180/110, BPM 120.
t + 16 At rest, BP 180/110, BPM 100.
t + 17-24 For the previous 8 hours vital signs (if at rest physically and mentally) stay generally very constant at BP 150/90 and BPM 90.
However any sort of reason for paranoia or worry DRASTICALLY effects both blood pressure and BPM very quickly, as does any sort of physical exercise. Not drinking water enough also increases chest pain and muscle tension considerably. Food seems to be easy to eat (and probably a good idea for energy). Moving is not a good idea, a walk to and back from a toilet showed a BP of 220/110 and pulse of 150 when sitting straight after.
t + 24-36 6mg diazepam ingested. Sleep and rest still impossible. Diazepam not really felt, apart from maybe slight release of chest tightness. Walking for a few minutes seems much more tollerable to BPM and BP now, only brief however. Thoughts increasingly paranoid, brief transient psychosis type episodes towards the end where anything anyone said was being linked to, this was very dependant on setting and company than a continuous phenomenon. Vision increasingly colorful and wavy.
t + 36-48 Resting pulse constant at 80. BPM 140/90. Sleep still impossible as pain on left side of back where muslces have been so tight and still slightly tense muscles in general. Feel very weak.
t + 48-70 8mg diazepam taken @48 hours. Pulse slowly drops to baseline (55) and sleep at the three day mark is achieved (much with the help of 8mg diazepam and a single beer)
Comments: If you ever dose this much I would phone the emergency services and explain.
This overdose could likely have been made a lot easier by using a series of low doses of diazepam earlier in the incident, maybe up to 60mg spread over the first 24 hours. Although generally NDRI drugs are considered quite safe in overdose compared to most stimulants the severity of 2DPMP overdose (due to its long action) seems to rely heavily on how you mentally react to it over the long time of its duration more than a directly predicatable effect. Naturally anxious people will be at a lot greater risk for serious health problems.
* By smoking it there is a good chance the actual dosage taken was slightly less than stated, as uncontrolled pyrolysis of compounds as opposed to vaporization means some will burn and waste and some will leave the lungs/end of rollie as it is smoked. Also the change of toxic substances forming is also greatly increased, as is the temptation to re-dose from the rapid onset. Not a recommended ROA for this compound, by far.
Last edited by Synesthesiac; 15-04-2013 at 08:51.
Reason: Editted for sense. Defo final edit now!
I have found this substance remarkably good over the last week for aiding concentration, stimulation and productivity at doses of 7mg in the morning as soon as I wake up. I put it in my tea. Not only does it give no real noticeable recreational high at this dose so there is little chance of abuse since there is no real crash or impulse to redose when the effects wear off later in the day. What happens is within 30 minutes of drinking the 7mg I find that i'm wide awake and in a very productive state. I have no noticeable rise in BPM at all, I can even go to the gym and monitor my heart rate on a cross trainer for 30 minutes and notice no noticeable difference from baseline. Also blood pressure is nearly normal level too.
It increases lucidity, stops the chance of nodding off during lectures in its tracks, improves clarity of thought and concentration on said task, and provides motivation to do tasks that I may have usually been too unmotivated to even start. A 9/10 when used in this way, just be careful you have an accurate way to measure the dosages, the mistake I made in the above experience is evidence that overdoing this compound will result in prolonged periods stimulant anxiety and possible psychosis, however I have had no trouble sleeping with the initial dose at 7mg in the morning. I used 4g GHB on the first two nights however, but the other five I have slept naturally.
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Reason: Corrected dosages