Opinions - Is lsd trip similar to salvia?

[pkplayer524]

SWIM has tried Salvia a few times and he has always thought about doing LSD. His problem is that during his Salvia trips he is prone to freak out. SWIM still has a good time but usually has to be drunk or on something like Xanax to get the courage to take it.

SWIM wants to know what is LSD's strength compared to Salvia. Average hit of both.

Thanks.

[Salvinorum]

LSD is very similar to Salvia, when Salvia hits you in the orgasmic way, which is not that common. Just add several hours to that 20 minute Salvia experience, and you have your LSD explanation. However, it is possible you never fealt what I am describing with Salvia, so it is hard to explain.

If you can handle Salvia at a full dose (what extract is used?), then LSD will only be so much more exciting. Since you dabble with strong psychedelics already, you should have no worries about LSD. Know the source of the substance.

Keep benzoes with you to be able to stop the trip at your leasure after the peak is over. I wish I knew this in my younger years in order to avoid that 12 hour period of crap after the initial 8 hour period of bliss, but at least I found out at some point. Benzoes will even make short work of a bad trip, but that kind of trip is rare for someone who is familiar with psychedelics and has a strong personality, confidence level.

[TMM]

They're basically incomparable. Short acting dissociative versus lengthy serotenergic psychedelic? Although neither are to be trifled with, and Salvia is often considered immediately 'stronger', it is, shall we say, less inadvisable to take Salvia lightly. The consequences of an unpleasant 8 hour trip with LSD can be much worse.

Two very different animals. Don't compare, do your research first.

[Alfa]

Salvia divinorum is not like LSD at all. Not in strength(whatever that may mean), dose/potency, intensity, duration or character of the experience. I strongly disagree with salvinorum's post, while TMM hits the nail on the head.

[Salvinorum]

Did you guys miss the part of my post which points out that I am talking about a very specific type of Salvia experience?

SWIM has experienced a full dose (from 10x extract) of Salvia on about 20 occasions, and for SWIM a good 50% of these were directly comparable to a compressed medium/high dose LSD pre-peak (meaning, uncontrollable laughter and extreme euphoria, caused my emotional and visual stimuli). The other 50% were either misses with no real effects, or combined with alcohol or other drugs which clouded the experience.

So, for SWIM, and indeed every single one of SWIM's friends who SWIM has shared his salvia with, it is exactly like LSD when it hits fully, and specifically LSD (as oppposed to psilocybin or mescaline or DMT etc.), except that the experience comes as a "rush" and peak lasts for about 20-30 minutes, with 60 minutes being the duration for the entire experience, with pleasureful aftereffects.

[truth]

No no no. SWIM has been in different world on Salvia, totally disconnected from reality. Forgetting he smoked anything even, but on high doses of LSD has had hallucinations ,but always knew he was on a drug. Salvia is much scarier, and more intense to SWIM at least. LSD is much more beautiful, thought provoking, comfortable, and free. Compared to salvias gravity fucking ripping your brain out into millions of patterns and geometrical figures within a matter of seconds... SWIyou know?

[Salvinorum]

What salvia is SWIY talking about here because SWIM has experimented with 5x extract all the way up to near pure, and has never experienced any dissociative effects such as he gets from DXM on a 750mg or higher dose. Infact, salvia can easily be put into two categories in effect for SWIM and somehow also for all of his co-experimenters who SWIM has introduced the drug to, although these experimenters are not psychedelic symbiotes such as SWIM so usually some THC or alcohol is involved before the session (but not for swim). Without fail, either there is a 30 minutes session of pure absolute extatic euphoria with a physical side with hugging and touching (non sexual somehow, full of friendship and equality, identical with LSD ego loss), or on some occasions some experimenters stop early due to discomfort and report pressure on body and "weird" feeling, but never overly scary or panicky, not even to an extent to a first timer psylocibin tripper who had no idea what will happen to his/her senses and ego and loses his/her control over their emotions.

So, to SWIM and about 8-10 of his fellow experimenters, salvia is a wonderful short powerful LSD clone, complete with laughter, hallucinations, pure extacy/euphoria which every LSD user knows makes a big MDMA dose seem like a rape in comparisson (just trying to show an extreme difference so that MDMA users understand how far removed their idea of euphoria is from complete egoless extacy), ego loss (meaning equality and pure connection and one-ness/love with all present including all inanimate objects), and a useless heavy chest uncomfortable feeling for about 5 of SWIMS experimenters, two of which are afraid to go near it again, the other three though have since joined the above euphoria group.

There is a major difference, salvia never overwhelmes oneself as far as spacetime is concerned, there is never a sense that there is a chance one will be "stuck" in this experience forever, whether it is wanted or not, ego loss is not completely married to loss of self awarness here.

And the peak is over quite quickly, but luckily, like LSD, the come-down is pleasant and full of memories to share with others, but, again like LSD, as spacetime passes, so do those emotional memories, so that the experience, like LSD or any other psychedelic, becomes more like a distant memory of an emotion which you know you absolutely enveloped and at the time understood to be the end-all be-all of life, the universe, and everything, but can no longer pinpoint it or even feel it, even if visual and active memories are fully intact. The ultra-strong feelings slowly lessen over time, but hopefully they never dissapear.

[chinpokomaster]

LSD is nothing like Salvia. LSD doesn't hit you with the same degree of unfamiliarity as Salvia and you probably won't reach any sort of profound or philosophical planes of thought on Salvia either. When SWIM took Salvia, he was in a very confusing, overpowering and daunting universe for 10 or 15 minutes that he thought he'd never escape from. LSD is nothing like that.

[cra$h]

swim wants to drop some acid, but isn't quite sure about how it compares. swim has a decent amount of drug experience, but to make a long story short, the hardest hallucenogen swim's done is mushrooms, but didn't get any outstanding visuals of intense colors, trails, etc. but swim's mind was going nuts, and everything swim could think of turned to a big metaphore about life, most of them being stupid little things, and one or 2 big ones swim still goes by, and completley changed swim's outlook. swim's also done salvia. 25x, and absolutely love the insanity, and was very pissed when swim's friend brought him back to reality. swim wanted to pack his bags and move to the "cartoon world".

So what swim's asking is: Is swim ready for lsd? it probably won't be the highest quality, and swim really isn't all that intimidated by it. And for what swim's gathering, salvia can be more intense than acid, since it sends you to a different world that's uncomprehendable, while things are still recognizeable while on lsd. and would acid put swim in the same kind of mental state as mushrooms, or would it be more hallucination based, and less mindfuck?

[infekt]

It's a completely different trip and really impossible to describe the differences. But swim will try: (IN SWIM"S EXPERIENCE) swim feels like acid is more euphoric and more visual. In terms of "mind fuck" swim would say it's a "mind fuck" on a different level...in a way that doesn't give as much anxiety for swim (compared to mushrooms) but still pushes his mind into unknown territories. It's much more pleasant for swim. And WAY more pleasant compared to salvia.

Then again swim has never done more than 2 hits (whatever the real dosages were, swim doesn't know).

Swim thinks it's impossible to really prepare for lsd. But just remember, in the 60's a lot of people were trying it without ever having tried mushrooms or salvia.

[sylenth]

from what salvia sounds like to smurf. ''smurf has'nt had the oppurtunity to try salvia'' is that lsd is'nt a mind fuck at all & as swey said if there is no intimidation felt & enough research has been done on what to do & not to do then there should be nothing to worry about. naturally a smurf should try one hit first.

[tryptamaster]

Swim tried has acid after only smoking weed and he was fine. swiy should just get a couple tabs , relax, and enjoy the ride.

[cra$h]

the point about how people in the 60's blindly dropping is a great point, and switrypt having only experience with pot has boosted swim's confidence in the drug greatly. swim can't wait until swim get's swim's hands on some acid, especially with a new tie-dye greatful dead t-shirt. once swim get's some, he'll tell all about it, after being enlightend.

[TMM]

SWIY may find it very much like mushrooms, or maybe just a little. There will definitely be a resonance there. It will be nothing like salvia, though. The relative intensity of the two is incomparable as they are completely different experiences. As long as SWIY is prepared, he is the only one who can find out what it'll be like for him.

[cra$h]

ah, now swim can't wait to trip out. All swim needs now is the time. everyone (mostly people who've never tried) says acid lasts in its full effects around 12 hours, but everyone also says (same people generally) mushrooms last 8, and mushies only lasted around 4-5 hours, so would 8 hours be a standard trip length before swim see's the real world?

[newgrower]

Swim thinks 12 hours sounds about right maybe a little shorter on average - at least that's how long until he can sleep but main effects are over a couple hours before sleep. He's had shorter and he's had longer but 10-12 is about average. Erowid says 6-8 hours of main effects with 2-6 hours until sleep. After 8 hours he would normally understand there was such a thing as reality, might still be a little fuzzy on the concept though.

[Songcycle67]

Salvia is a dissociative. When smoked in its more potent forms it can produce extreme visual activity so absurd that it makes LSD look like benadryl. The wonderful thing about LSD is that you're "there" the entire time--during the peak one may feel a bit disoriented but they will still be conscious unless they've taken a large dose. So you know it's your house or garden or wherever, you recognize your face in the mirror, it's quite easy to separate LSD hallucinations, if they can be called that, from reality; awareness of the miraculous in the mundane is the standout for first-time users. Most expect "cartoon psychedelia" ala the lizard scene in fear and loathing--but unless one takes a mammoth dose they will know who they are, where they are, and probably have a better idea of this than at any other time in their lives. LSD is much more an internal experience than mushrooms, in SWIM's opinion. Focusing on the mind and the senses and how they dance together. The visual activity is generally quite abstract at a standard psychedelic dose, but still extremely interesting.

The two cardinal rules for first-time acid users: No expectations, embrace everything.

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[Samadhi]

Originally Posted by songcycle67

Salvia is a dissociative. When smoked in its more potent forms it can produce extreme visual activity so absurd that it makes LSD look like benadryl.

This opinion is completely subjective, Swim has smoked 25x extract of salvia in very large quantities and had little more than a very annoying body pressure, there are many others like swim. Salvia is a very picky drug, some like it, others feel like they want to flush it down the toilet.

most of swims trips last 8-10 hours MAX at a 200+ microgram dosage.

[Songcycle67]

Yes I indicated that it "can" produce these results in some people--I didn't mean to imply that salvia is always the same for everyone. Apologies. It's definitely a very picky drug.

most of SWIM's LSD trips last at least 12-16 hours on high dose (roughly 200-400ug) experiences, but he is extremely sensitive to the effects of this drug and most of the time between 8-16 hours is all closed eye activity and bodily sensations.

[cra$h]

swim's going to have to disagree on salvia being a disassoicative, since in all of swim's experiences everything became in one, and swim is being morphed into this strange new world. We need to think of a new word for the salvia experience, being it's like no other (exept possibly dmt, swim doesn't know what it's like but has heard stories)

[Songcycle67]

It is listed in the literature as a dissociative, but the hallucinations are definitely psychedelic and beyond at times. This contradiction has confounded me as well, crash.

[cra$h]

any references to this literature?

[Songcycle67]

The literature is a blanket term for all the published articles about any given substance. It is technically a "psychedelic dissociative" but a dissociative nonetheless.

From wikipedia's Dissociative drugs section:


κ-opioid receptor agonists

• Salvinorin-A #, the active constituent of Salvia divinorum (diviner's sage)
• Enadoline
• ibogaine (Weak / Complex mechanism of action)
• Pentazocine

Source:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dissoci...eptor_agonists




Edit for clarification of the psychedelic nature of dissociatives (same source):

A dissociative is a drug which reduces (or blocks) signals to the conscious mind from other parts of the brain, typically, but not necessarily, limited to the senses. Such a state of sensory deprivation and dissociation can facilitate self-exploration, hallucinations, and dreamlike states of mind which may resemble some psychedelic mindstates.

[cra$h]

sounds like the dissociative term's being used a little too lightly, as swim has read ibogaine is much like lsd. but getting to the topic swim's been wanting to get too, how does the effects of lsd and salvia differ?

[raven3davis]

LSD and salvia are at opposite ends of the spectrum. LSD is more more comparable to shrooms in swims opinion.

If you have taken shrooms, you should have somewhat of an idea what lsd will be like. One of the big differences is the fact that LSD lasts several hours longer. Salvia can be a lot stronger than lsd, but it doesn't last as long. Comparing the two is really like comparing apples and oranges.