Complete List of Opioid Dosages

[Alfa]

The only dosage idication for insuflation I find in the list is for heroin. Are the other opiates not active while snorted or has the data simply not survaced?

[Forthesevenlakes]

Insufflation isnt adviced for many of the opiates, due to the fact that some of them are in preparations containing acetaminophen, and some of the pills have a large amount of binders. However there are a couple opiates which are commonly snorted (oxycodone and morphine) which swim will tack onto the list.

SWIM has heard of some lab rats snorting hydromorphone (dilaudid). What would be the safe insufflation and rectal dosages for a first-time user? SWIM was thinking 1-2 mg, but he is not sure. Can anyone give info on this?

[radiometer]

When I first started looking into hydromorphone reports on Erowid, they were almost all insufflated. I'll bet with your knowledge, you could glean a relatively safe starting dosage out of those reports.

Since 2mg is enough for an opiate-naive to feel hydromorphone orally, I'd think that 1mg would be a safer recommendation. But the 'safe' terminology is vague to my ear, and lacks definition. Is this what would be considered a threshold dose, or full-on effects for a first-time user?

I would find this list much more helpful if it listed several levels (low, medium, high), or at least if it offered threshold doses for those of SWI-us who actually like to be safe and try minimal doses of drugs before jumping into the fray.

[Forthesevenlakes]

From the looks of the dosages, the "safe" dosages listed here are enough to feel moderate effects of the drug. SWIM has never been able to distinguish low/medium/high dosages of opiates, however. When he was opiate-naive, for example, 5 mg of hydrocodone felt like 10 or 15 mg, the only difference was that it wouldnt last as long. So if this is possible, someone else would have to help SWIM. The threshold dose might be more feasible, but again, someone might have to help.

[dude]

swim takes around 100 mg of hydrocodone a day, plus some poppy tea and maybe 2 to 4 mg of morphine if he's lucky. But he states with a high tolerance like that, 4 mg of dilaudid gives the best rush. Why? Is it because it is stronger than the others or is it because it is just different? Also, (sands of time) What are the levels that make opiates toxic to the body?

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM doesnt know at what point theyd become toxic. as far as he knows theres no ceiling to opioid tolerance. 100 mg of hydro is a huge dose. surprised that 4 mg of dilaudid would do anything to swiy, but if its being administered IV, well, some people swear by IV for dilaudid. its never done much for SWIM personally.

[acenicho]

I know its been a while since SWIM posted a previous comment on Dipipanone (Dicanol) but he's been ''busy''!

As mentioned by another user any persons own research can help the community grow.

SWIM has found that a dosage of 20mg was enough to feel drug, but one of his friends recommended 30mg. Both had no tolerance.

One of SWIMS old friends used to IV 20mg Dicanol (10mg Dipipanone 30mg Cyclizine) but was a heroin abuser at the time so tolerance is uncertain!

Hope SWIM helped a little but he takes no responsibilty for these dosages!

[Forthesevenlakes]

Interesting, one study SWIM found said that in opiate naive people with colds, 4 mg was enough for them to feel some relief of pain, but 2 mg produced no significant effects. That makes SWIM think that 8 mg might be enough for someone with no tolerance to feel recreational effects. SWIM doesnt want to put down 20 mg unless someone else can confirm this would be a suitable recreational dose, and a safe one, for the first time user. Interesting though, SWIM hadnt heard of this one before.

[monkeygone2heaven]

just wanted to add that swim who is a chronic pain patient also knows a lot if pain patients knows you can get pain relief + "recreational" effects at a fraction of doses posted initially.. now that depends on genetics, history, size (swim is 100 lb or so) but best to start slow because opiates ARE one of those drugs we KNOW for sure we develop habituation. and the slower you get there the better, no matter your purpose (pain control, recreation, a bit of both etc..).

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by monkeygone2heaven

just wanted to add that swim who is a chronic pain patient also knows a lot if pain patients knows you can get pain relief + "recreational" effects at a fraction of doses posted initially.. now that depends on genetics, history, size (swim is 100 lb or so) but best to start slow because opiates ARE one of those drugs we KNOW for sure we develop habituation. and the slower you get there the better, no matter your purpose (pain control, recreation, a bit of both etc..).

I think it's a fair comment but we have to assume that people are generic to some degree to have any sort of constituancy. There are some who are allergic so opiates who will die with dosages much less than these and others that have strangely high tolerances. These values are only considered a general template not a step by step guide.

As you mention above the persons gender, weight, genetics, circulation etc. plays a massive part.

[oxalot]

Just a sidebar, there is an 8mg hydromorphone tab as well as 2 and 4

[southridge]

Ah, last, & overlooked is the lowly loperamide. Swim has sucessfully used loperamide in short courses of 3 days or so to prevent 80% of the hellish symptoms of withdrawl. the dose is 20mg per 8 hrs with sennacot. swim ingested 50mg in a 1 time dose to asertain safety & sufferd no negitive effests(senna). swim may be the only person to experiment on himself at his level & so far he is safe.

[MrJim]

Actually that one is listed. It is the last one on the list. SWIM wouldn't start posting that 50mg is safe without some sor or empirical data.

[Fantasian]

I know i was the orginal one to change it but i feel the morphine opiate dosage orally should be lifted to 40mg. SWIF has had some experience with a fair few new people trying it recently and the lowest recreational dosage was 40mg but the lowest dosage for relief of withdrawal was more like 10mg. That he believes was where the original confusion was found.

[delphinen]

I think the recommended dose of Tramadol in this thread is extremely low, and most people who will try to get high from this opioid wont feel anything with a little as 100mg, which is a normal therapeuthic dose in some cases.
I recommend 300-400mg for experiencing the real pleasure Tramadol (and O-Desmethyl) can give.

[Daytona71]

In SWIM's opinion Tramadol is only useful to help detox situations and chasing a high with it seems to be a waste but to each his own which is why each should start with a low dose. SWIM had a friend that thought 5mgs. of Dextroamphetamine was way too much to do at all! Same said aspirin can cause a nose bleed. Proceed with caution.

[MrJim]

Originally Posted by delphinen

I think the recommended dose of Tramadol in this thread is extremely low, and most people who will try to get high from this opioid wont feel anything with a little as 100mg, which is a normal therapeuthic dose in some cases.
I recommend 300-400mg for experiencing the real pleasure Tramadol (and O-Desmethyl) can give.

Most things are low - That is because some people have a very low tolerance. It's easy for people with larger tolerances to take more, but not easy for someone with a low tolerance to remove some from their bodies.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by MrJim

Most things are low - That is because some people have a very low tolerance. It's easy for people with larger tolerances to take more, but not easy for someone with a low tolerance to remove some from their bodies.

When SWIM mentioned any numbers it was answering a specific question from an experienced user. As Mr. Jim WISELY suggested start LOW! If you are predisposed to addictive behavior such as SWIM then don't even start. SWIM really wants to know clean and sober again as he had a 3 year period in his adult life where that was the case and it was great. Sorry if off topic a bit here.

[delphinen]

Originally Posted by MrJim

Most things are low - That is because some people have a very low tolerance. It's easy for people with larger tolerances to take more, but not easy for someone with a low tolerance to remove some from their bodies.

True, and I agree, but youre recommending doses of 75-125mg of Codeine, even when the therapeuthic dose of this drug is 30-60mg, but you asume 75-125mg is not very dangerous. Tramadol, on the other side, recommends a therapeuthic dose of 100mg, which is what youre recommending to "start" getting high, and youre stating that this dose is ok because more would be dangerous; this is wrong in my opinion, because nobody will get high from such a small dose, that after all, its a therapeuthic dose. Thats why you should up the starting dose to something higher than the therapeutic dose, I recommend 200mg at least.

[MrJim]

200mg would be acceptable - Done. - Also SWIMs doctor had prescribed him T4's for quite a while (60mg codiene per pill) - His recommended dosage for SWIM was 1-2 tabs at a time - 60-120mg. Therapeutic - but he has heard of several people having euphoria off of just 60mg. Opiates are very difficult to judge - That is the inherent problem with compiling such a list. The list is meant to be a starting point for information. He hopes people will do alot more reading than just the list.

[Bajeda]

Its probably a good idea to add a separate dosage range for Darvocet-N, which is Propoxyphene Napsylate as opposed to Propoxyphene HCL.

According to RX-List,

Propoxyphene napsylate differs from propoxyphene hydrochloride in that it allows more stable liquid dosage forms and tablet formulations. Because of differences in molecular weight, a dose of 100 mg (176.8 µmol) of propoxyphene napsylate is required to supply an amount of propoxyphene equivalent to that present in 65 mg (172.9 µmol) of propoxyphene hydrochloride.

[MrJim]

Will do.

[Ultrabomb]

SWIM is pretty opiate tolerant and had a chance to get a few 8mg hydromorphone pills, but even with his tolerance it seemed like an exteme dose. He's seen what hydromorphone pills can do to someone. It's scary stuff.
It's definitely not something you want to mess around with if you don't know what you're doing.

[biggpri]

i want to add something to the tramadol discussion going on in this thread. tramadol is an analog of codeine and is less regulated than the other opiods. but that does not mean it is safer. my guru began taking it in large quantities (around 15 x 50mg pills a day.) after a few weeks of this behavior, he OD'd on christmas eve. he fell unconscious and almost stopped breathing. when he awoke, he had no memory of what happened, and it took about 30 minutes for the fog in his head to clear and realize he was being taken to the emergency room. my guru turned out ok in the end, but this is the only drug he has ever OD'd on, and he has done massive quantities of other drugs. tramadol is not safe by any stretch of the imagination, and it does have withdrawal symptoms.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by biggpri

i want to add something to the tramadol discussion going on in this thread. tramadol is an analog of codeine and is less regulated than the other opiods. but that does not mean it is safer. my guru began taking it in large quantities (around 15 x 50mg pills a day.) after a few weeks of this behavior, he OD'd on christmas eve. he fell unconscious and almost stopped breathing. when he awoke, he had no memory of what happened, and it took about 30 minutes for the fog in his head to clear and realize he was being taken to the emergency room. my guru turned out ok in the end, but this is the only drug he has ever OD'd on, and he has done massive quantities of other drugs. tramadol is not safe by any stretch of the imagination, and it does have withdrawal symptoms.

While i agree that tramadol is by no means safe those kind of dosages are going to be dangerous with any drug. 15 times the normal dose?!?!

If someone had 15 times 60mg of codeine - that'd be 900 mg! Nearly a whole gram which would OD an opiate naive person, hell half that probably would.