Complete List of Opioid Dosages

[AS11]

You forgot to mention which of these are legal for chemotherapy, I heard Hydrocodone and Fentanyl are but I think there are more.

[MrJim]

That's pretty specific - I haven't really mentioned which of these are prescibed for anything. Hydrocodone is prescribed for a variety of things, for example - any sort of pains from a stabbing to a chronic back condition. Most opiods which are prescribed aren't for any one particular condition - they are for pain which occurs in a multitude of ailments. There is only one opiod on that list which can never be used within the boundries of the law- diacytlmorphine, aka Heroin.

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this is for the text you wrote on the home page

[deji]

The way people OD is like this...

Someone trying for the first time and do too much.

Someone that is in withdrawal and doing a decent amount. If they weren't in withdrawal this dose would be fine, but since they are in withdrawal it is more of a shock to the body.

Someone that has quit for some time and does too much.

Someone that has a constant supply and never really sick, will probably never OD. Its still possible of course, but the chance is much smaller than any of the situations above.

I also agree with the guy above. If you have never used opiates, dont even do it. If you are a responsible person, you *may* get away with it. But chances are you will end up addicted.

One tip for any shooters. If you are very sick, or have any concern about the amount, do this. Get the shot ready. Hit the vein, and shoot exactly half. Untie the rope and wait. If you feel it in your throat, do not shoot the rest. Even if you don't feel it in the throat, check if you think it is strong, the throat is just a dead give away that it is strong. Then shoot the other half. It is much safer to shoot the shot in 2 parts 30 seconds apart, then all at once. Better yet, split the shot into two from the start, but I know most people don't do this. I usually do the shot in two parts myself, instead two separate shots. But just be careful with heroin.

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Caring advice.

[MrJim]

You forgot to mention potency differences - Back home it is a big junkie killer. Someone is used to a pile "this big" - then uncut H, or relatively pure H hits the streets and eventhough the pile remains the same size the dose is very different.

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Important point to raise.

[Jeff Woad]

Originally Posted by MrJim

There is only one opiod on that list which can never be used within the boundries of the law- diacytlmorphine, aka Heroin.

This isn't true all over the world, many European countries prescribe Diamorphene.

[MrJim]

Which ones prescribe Diacetylmorphine?

[hitme2ice]

One really god opioid were not mentioned: Ketobemidone

Ketobemidone should be dosaged as with morphine, since they both are equal in potency.
It is probably hard to find Ketobemidone outside Skandinavia. It is a scheduled I substance in the U.S and are rarely used in other countries, except Skandinavia that is.

[Jatelka]

Originally Posted by MrJim

Which ones prescribe Diacytlmorphine?

Diamorphine was widely prescribed in the UK (and, I believe, Australia) before a flood at the factory limited supplies. We switched over to oxycodone. Presumably the factory is now fixed, over a 18 months later but strangely diamorphine seems not to have made a comeback. SWIM thinks this is probably related to the US's "War on Drugs".

[accountphil]

Originally Posted by jatelka

Diamorphine was widely prescribed in the UK (and, I believe, Australia) before a flood at the factory limited supplies. We switched over to oxycodone. Presumably the factory is now fixed, over a 18 months later but strangely diamorphine seems not to have made a comeback. SWIM thinks this is probably related to the US's "War on Drugs".

Jatelka Diamorphine has not been available in Australia since the 1960's however I know of one Australian with HIV that gets it in the UK or used to anyway this is going back a year

[MrJim]

Thanks, will add to list.

[Alfa]

Diacetylmorphine AKA Diamorphine are the correct names. Not Diacytlmorphine,

[clide]

I read that DXM can cause a decerase is opiod tollerance. can it actualy help to decrease tollerance so you could take the same lower amounts of the opiods for a long period and still get the same or simmilar intensity of effect out of each dose?

[Chaote]

What about Demeroll, aka MPPP, im pretty sure its synthetic heroin, so woudln't it be an opioid? Any info on it?

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Demerol (meperidine/pehtidine) is not MPPP. A grad student once tried making the meperidine analoge, MPPP -- but instea...

[MrJim]

Yeah, It's Meperidine - On the list.

[MrJim]

Hey buddy,

Any of these look familiar?
Evidently there is also a 3mg suppository.

[raven3davis]

Yup that is it supposedly. SWIMs friend said it was the 8mg and he loves them. The opiod doses really can vary from person to person, compound to compound. Your list seems accurate and on the conservative side which is good. SWIM is not very sensitive to opiates it seems. He said he really does not do them often either. She said that she only took them about once a month to once in two months, everytime she got injured and had to be put on pain medication.

Two months probably doesnt account for much tolerance there so maybe she is just not sbut you might want to start with a slightly lower dose also. SWIM for instance said that he has illergic reactions to codeine but no other opiate. It would be rare but you could be fine on one opiate and not on another. Just be safe with your doses and follow the recommendations. Dont get out of control because SWIM hears this is one of the hardest addictions to quit. Be smart and stay on top of your shit and you should be okay, but slip up and your in some shit. Just think about that before you take opiates. SWIM isnt going to say dont take them, because he thinks they are great. You sure will hear some horror stories about them though.

Here is another question SWIM wanted to ask that he felt might be an important contribution to the thread. What would be the recommended dose of opium? The alkaloid content probably varies slightly but what is the average dose you would take of opium with the smoking method?

Now that SWIM thinks about it he guesses it is just the smoke it till your high kinda thing with opium but could you give an estimate on the amount of opium in mgs? to .1g accuray would probably be okay for opium. Enlighten me.

[MrJim]

Opium added - Feel free to comment - SWIM wants to know what you all consider safe dosages for non-tolerated people. Many minds are always better than one.

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM would like to see the dosages for propoxyphene and dextropropoxyphene added. SWIM is guessing ~120 mg for the novice user should be fine, for the veteran using propoxyphene alone, has never felt effects below 200 mg. SWIM is unsure about the dextropropoxyphene, unless they are the same thing.

[MrJim]

Originally Posted by forthesevenlakes

SWIM would like to see the dosages for propoxyphene and dextropropoxyphene added. SWIM is guessing ~120 mg for the novice user should be fine, for the veteran using propoxyphene alone, has never felt effects below 200 mg. SWIM is unsure about the dextropropoxyphene, unless they are the same thing.

I was looking into this, and as far as I have seen, propoxyphene and dextropropoxyphene are one and the same drugs, propoxyphene named so in America and dextropropoxyphene named so in the UK. In America when it is mixed with APAP it is known more commonly as Darvocet. It will be listed under propoxyphene.

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propoxyphene is a racemic mixture of dextro- and levo- propoxyphene. Levo is anti-tussive, dextro is analgesic

[acenicho]

Would it be possible for a recerational dosage of Dipipanone to be added to the list?

Ive asked for the information on the board but to no avail.Its just for my own curiosity than anything else!

[MrJim]

SWIM replied to your request. He hasn't found alot of info on it since it is uncommon - but did post for you what he found. This is a list built by many people's research - not just one. Why don't you see what you can find out about it - Post it and cite sources. That way we can all learn and the community becomes that much more valuable. I can guarantee if you do that you will recieve some positive rep points.

[Fantasian]

After reading this recently i really feel that the following statement is a little inaccurate

Morphine - For the non-opiate tolerant 30mg should be more than enough to produce euphoria. Morphine is the bar to which other opiates are measured in terms of relative strength

SWIM on his first dose of morphine had 10mg which was a 3rd of the dosage that you suggest and recieved significant euphoria and other opiate like effects. SWIM would suggest a starting "threshold dose" of about 5 mg to a non opiated tolerant person.

SWIM even now with some tolerance can still get off on less than 30mg morphine.

This may just be SWIM's Metabolism with drugs but he thought it might be an issue.

[MrJim]

Originally Posted by Fantasian

After reading this recently i really feel that the following statement is a little inaccurate



SWIM on his first dose of morphine had 10mg which was a 3rd of the dosage that you suggest and recieved significant euphoria and other opiate like effects. SWIM would suggest a starting "threshold dose" of about 5 mg to a non opiated tolerant person.

SWIM even now with some tolerance can still get off on less than 30mg morphine.

This may just be SWIM's Metabolism with drugs but he thought it might be an issue.

Wow. Are you sure it was 10 mg? Almost all M pills that swim has known are 30mg ir and 100mg XR. Everyone has a different metabolism, but I do also know of someone who uses a single 30mg for 3 injections and has been using opioids for many, many years. He keeps tolerance down with - I can't remeber right now, I'll check, but everyone that he has told this to is amazed that he can get feelings out of such a small dose.
I think that this might be the inherent problem with trying to create an accurate dosing list with Opioids - Tolerances are like snowflakes. No two are ever the same.
Thanks - I'll step it down a bit.

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Wise discussion of opiates in particular morphine,

[Citizen Kane]

Originally Posted by MrJim

Buprenorphine, - Mixed agonist-antagonist effects. For treatment of opioid addiction. Starting dosage is reflective of level of opioid addiction prior to treatment.

0.5-1mg sublingual or via nasal route are a safe starting point for a non-tolerant novice user. Subutex comes in 2 and 8mg tabs. Sensual effects only develop after about 20-30mins and last 24-48 hours.

[Fantasian]

Originally Posted by Citizen Kane

0.5-1mg sublingual or via nasal route are a safe starting point for a non-tolerant novice user. Subutex comes in 2 and 8mg tabs. Sensual effects only develop after about 20-30mins and last 24-48 hours.

Not sure about Subutex but when taking Temgesic (sublingual) the effects both recreational or medical have a very rapid onset of about 30 seconds to 2 minutes. Most sublingual administration will result in very fast drug effects due to the large amount of veins beneath the tongue. However SWIM has never experienced Nasal dosages.