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Old 24-03-2010, 23:08
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Will kratom work while on suboxone?

I would have assumed that the opiate-esque effects of kratom would be blocked completely by suboxone, but I just came across a thread in which Ilsa claimed that mitragynine has a higher mu affinity than buprenorphine, which has piqued my natural curiosity.

So in light of this I've posted this thread looking for people to document any experience they may have with use of kratom while on buprenorphine maintenance. If you've used kratom while on bupe, did you enjoy it, and did you manage to obtain any opiod effects from it? Even if you didn't get any discernible opiod effects, was it still an enjoyable and worthwhile experience?

Please refrain from posting any "it won't work because.." comments.... I'm just looking for personal experiences!

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Old 10-04-2010, 22:48
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

as someone who takes subutex, swim was wondering the same thing. well he just ordered an ounce so next week or so he should be able to answer your question.
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Old 15-04-2010, 02:17
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

kratom works while on buprenorphine. swim just recieved an ounce of powered thai kratom and got a nice buzz. but swim is n subutex (no naloxone) so he isn't positive if it will work while on suboxone.

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Old 15-04-2010, 02:28
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

What dose did you take?

A friend of mine who's taken kratom has told me that a low dose is enjoyable but that a low dose doesn't really 'hit' the opiod receptors, whereas a higher dose (he says with the premium indo ((low quality)) that he used ((he wasn't on suboxone)) a dose of 2-10g was a low dose while a dose of 10-20g was a high dose) does 'hit' the opiod receptors and provides a very different experience.

Did you use a low or a high dose?

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Old 15-04-2010, 02:30
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

swim took about 14 grams
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Old 15-04-2010, 03:36
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

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kratom works while on buprenorphine. swim just recieved an ounce of powered thai kratom and got a nice buzz. but swim is n subutex (no naloxone) so he isn't positive if it will work while on suboxone.
Naloxone is not orally active. It is added to Suboxone to prevent opiate addicts from attempting to crush the pills and use them in a different manner than intended. If kratom works while on buprenorphine, there is no reason to believe kratom would not work on Suboxone.

EDIT: Wanted to be more precise here. Naloxone is not psychoactive when taken orally.
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Old 15-04-2010, 03:47
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

i think it would be better to say "naxolone in subuoxone is not active at suficient levels to cause major receptor antagonism as is seen in higher oral dosages or IV injections" perhaps.

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Old 15-04-2010, 08:21
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second experience with kratom (high opiate tolerance and bupe user)

the first time swim tried kratom it was a resin extract. it didn't work on swim or any of his friends. luckily, swim's interest in kratom recently reappeared, and he decided to order an ounce of thai powder. swim is very happy with the results. he ate half of the bag the first time because of his massive tolerance to opiates and the fact that he is on subutex. well it was a good dose because swim felt the effects fine. he just took the last of the bag (mixed with yogurt) and is ready to feel it again. kratom is the shit! except it tastes like shit. swim used the search engine, and found it wasn't good to smoke. oh also swim tried to bomb about 2 grams in a paper towel. well he got choked and had to cough it up. lol. swim also read on this forum the tea tastes bad. anyway swim ordered another ounce (in capsules this time) plus an ounce of amanita muscaria powder and some baby woodrose seeds. next time swim is going to lay off the bupe a few days for the next kratom dosage to see if the effects are more powerful when no subutex is in his system.

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There are plenty of experience threads on kratom. No reason to start another one.
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Old 03-05-2010, 19:10
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

this is very interesting to swim. so appearantly it has an higher affinaty than buprenorphine? thats crazy (in a good way lol). but i'm suprised that after taking the kratom and then taking subutex aftewards you wouldn't get sick or something like with all other opioids. if anyone can shed some more light, please do. swim is on subutex and is planning on using it to get off buprenorphine. he is buying 1,000 grams in a week or so.
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Re: Will kratom work while on suboxone?

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swim is on subutex and is planning on using it to get off buprenorphine. he is buying 1,000 grams in a week or so.
Swiy means using kratom to get off buprenorphine? Because Subutex is buprenorphine. Subutex is the brand name, a marketing name. The name of the drug, the chemical itself, is buprenorphine.

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