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Old 18-03-2010, 15:22
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Heroin effects on sexual / erectile function

this one is for the fellas, swim has noticed that every few times he shoots up he gets an erection shortly after. swim mentioned this to a couple of his friends and they confirmed that it too happens to them sometimes. its not a sexual thing but swim isnt sure why it happens, anyone have this happen? any insight?
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Old 18-03-2010, 15:54
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Re: heroin boners

SWIM thinks its becaues of the rush that you get...
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Old 18-03-2010, 16:16
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Re: heroin boners

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SWIM thinks its becaues of the rush that you get...
SWIM disagrees, since he sometimes gets a boner from shooting buprenorphine (Subutex) for the first time in the session, before the actual effects even take place (IV buprenorphine doesn't hit as instantly as most other drugs, it takes about 1-5min to work)

Note: shooting pills is always stupid and so is SWIM. Please don't do it.
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Old 18-03-2010, 16:29
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Re: heroin boners

swim chases and this happens to him though he hasn't put the two together. some times it comes on after using but while swims still high. annoying thing is its a useless boner or at least it is for swim because he cant finish and not for lack of trying
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Old 18-03-2010, 16:38
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Re: heroin boners

yeah that's another thing, it is impossible for swim to make us of his boner when hes high on H, swim would have to have sex or masturbate for at least an hour for success and there is still a chance he wont get off. acctually come to think of it, swim can't piss either while on H, he sometimes stands in front of the toilet for 10 mins with the sink running and thinking of streams and waterfalls just to get a little tinkle out
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Old 18-03-2010, 16:42
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Re: heroin boners

Yeah swim and every guy he knows that uses tends to experience these. The problem with them, is unlike normal erections, they're involuntary! A bit like when you were 13....

Somethings do trigger 'em off especially though. For example, about a year ago, swim would have to take a short bus ride to score, then generally fixx up, and get the bus back home.
On the way there his cock was kickin' back, chillin' and relaxin'.
But on the way back (post-hit), the first slight bump and swim'd feel that inevitable, unstoppable, panicked rise, growing more and more annoying with every bump, until by the time he'd reached his destination he'd have to hold a bag strategically over his crotch or summin. Very annoying, and not tied in with any sexual feelings at all.

This could be hours after his hit, or a few minutes........but the bus always lead to embarrassment.
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Old 18-03-2010, 17:38
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Re: heroin boners

Swim gets hard on with opiates sometimes. He hasn't shot dope in years do to availability but he remembers after shooting dilaudid walking out of the bathroom with an erection. Lately he's been into the poppy tea pretty hard and when he gets are real good dose, he'll get a hard on when it first starts to kick in. So swim doesn't think it has anything to do with the rush from shooting. He thinks it's the relaxation of blood vescles (sic) that causes the erection. It not sexual at all though. Swim never gets horny on opiates, even with a chick. He can get hard but can fuck for an hour without climax. He just can't come on opiates. Good for the girl swim guess, but sucks for him.
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Old 19-03-2010, 09:51
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Re: heroin boners

Swim definately experiences this on a regular basis as well. He was recently telling a friend about how one of the great things about H, is that although you might not really be able to get off when your on it, the next following day may come with some KILLER boners along with the increased stamina. Heroin is definately SWIMS aphrodisaic of choice
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Old 19-03-2010, 14:41
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Re: heroin boners

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Swim definately experiences this on a regular basis as well. He was recently telling a friend about how one of the great things about H, is that although you might not really be able to get off when your on it, the next following day may come with some KILLER boners along with the increased stamina. Heroin is definately SWIMS aphrodisaic of choice
swim wouldn't call it an aphrodisiac, more of a "performance enhancer". In swims case heroin kills his sex drive, but if he does have sex on it (which he has many times) he can go for hours.
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Old 19-03-2010, 15:16
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Re: heroin boners

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Swim's had the same problem whilst on opioids, it just stops him from being able to cum!

Last week his girlfriend was jerking him off for an hour before swim told her, "Look baby, I think it's the pills I took earlier" and that was it. . . swim was frustrated and pissed of until the pills wore off.
yeah swim has had to tell girls that many times, some of them get all upset thinking they can't get you off and its somehow their fault. but swim always tells them "it's just the pills/dope". but it doesn't really bother swim that much because it still feels good and swim still has a good opiate high.
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Old 19-03-2010, 17:55
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Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

Warning: this thread is extremely sexually graphic. If this offends SWIY do not read it.

SWIM has been a long-term (15+ years) heroin/other opiates addict, and is now maintained on methadone (Rx pills "for pain") 200 mgs/day. He does heroin anyway about twice a month.

He's noticed that he doesnt get spontaneous erections like he used to. Some will say this is just aging but he was popping random woodies for no reason at least 4x a day until he was over 30.

He still has no problem gettin it up when he's aroused, ie: there's a woman coming onto him, he's making out with a woman, naked woman in his bed, watching/looking at porn etc. However he's noticed that no matter how horny he is, it takes longer for his erection to really "get there"

He used to go from floppy to rock hard in seconds with a female present, now he still goes from floppy to rock hard but theres a phase in the middle where he has a "semi". Fortunately the semi only lasts about 20 seconds and then hes hard as a porn star again. But this phase never happened at all before except when masturbating/not really all that aroused.

But now, he had a beautiful woman on her knees in front of him ready to do her thing, and it took him almost a minute to get fully hard! she felt a bit insulted, but he made up for it by rockin the dope dick to her for hours after.

So basically, is he looking at long term opiate side effects, or just natural aging (he's 32, about to be 33). Keep in mind that despite his opiate addictions he's always been a VERY sexual creature. He's down for it any time, any place, any reasonably attractive female (although he hopes to find monogamy soon but it will have to be with someone else with a high sex drive). His drive has always been off the charts. Some gf's have loved it, some have told him it was too much. Guess which ones he kept around longer? Even right now, he's posting about heroin, but thinking about sex.

So, opinions? Is it opiates, is it just natural aging, could he reverse it by quitting opiates (it's not like he's impotent or has ED, far from it, just as said he no longer gets random wood, it can take Mr. Happy up to a minute to fully respond even with a hottie working on him with everything she's got, and sometimes he can watch or read porn and not pop wood)
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Old 19-03-2010, 18:07
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

Dude Swim thinks it might be the 200 mg methadone. Did swiy have this problem before the done?

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Old 19-03-2010, 18:21
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

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Dude Swim thinks it might be the 200 mg methadone. Did swiy have this problem before the done?


Yes, but not as bad (of course he was a year younger) and he doesnt want to go back to full time H addiction just to improve his erection quality, but he is such a horndog that he actually might. Thats how twisted his mind is. Perhaps he could wean down his methadone dose and still shoot dope once in a great while, and see if the situation improves..................

anyone know for sure (medical professionals etc)? I'll speculate all day but SWIM kinda wants to know as he's about to move to Chicago to be with the finest woman he has EVER even touched, and he does not want this to be an issue AT ALL. He doubts Viagra would help, since its not like he cant get it up, its just that it takes a bit longer than it used to and never happens spontaneously anymore

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Old 19-03-2010, 18:55
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

if swim likes sex switch from heroin to stimulants
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Old 19-03-2010, 23:39
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

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if swim likes sex switch from heroin to stimulants



A 15 year habit is not easily changed. Plus stimulants can get one horny, but SWIM doesnt need any help with that. When it comes time to deliver, though "coke dick" is legendary for its' failure. Methamphetamine is unheard of in SWIMs area, and he'll occasionally munch an adderral for sexy purposes but they dont really come around much either. At 32 almost 33, he doesn't feel comfortable approaching the high school/college kids one must approach for a steady supply of adderall, he's much happier geting his methadone and klonopins from the pharmacy and his occasional dope and coke from a dealer who may not speak much english but at least is in SWIM's age group
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Old 20-03-2010, 11:46
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AW: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

This is very normal and the majority of Men`s in the MMT. are affected!
(afair.75%)
It will change quick after a Detox.

200m. is a lot and the Cat is sure that no Men will have a erection anymore

(for what? )
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Re: AW: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

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This is very normal and the majority of Men`s in the MMT. are affected!
(afair.75%)
It will change quick after a Detox.

200m. is a lot and the Cat is sure that no Men will have a erection anymore

(for what? )



SWIM gets an erection whenever he needs one (with a woman), he's just got that annoying "semi" phase (only lasts 20-40 seconds though) and he doesn't really masturbate much or get aroused by porn like he used to . He needs a live woman in the bed with him to get him going.
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Old 20-03-2010, 19:42
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

Swim would say that the 200mgs/day methadone dose, (which is completely unnecessarily high for maintenance IMO), and just the sheer fact that swiy is gettin older, are what's effecting the speed of his cock.
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Old 20-03-2010, 19:56
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Re: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

OK. SWIM can actually taper mdone fairly easily, so he's gonna try to bring hinself doen to something like 70 mg 2x day and then from there figure out a way to get to 100 mg ONCE a day, then reduce that to 80. Otherwise he leads a fairly healthy lifestyle, so other than the methadone and getting older he cant see a reason. Once he is hard he can and does go forever and is quite talented and women love him for it, so his manhood isnt threatened or anything, its just that damn semi phase, and sometimes not being able to rub one out to porn if needed.
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Old 20-03-2010, 21:23
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Re: heroin boners

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yeah swim has had to tell girls that many times, some of them get all upset thinking they can't get you off and its somehow their fault. but swim always tells them "it's just the pills/dope". but it doesn't really bother swim that much because it still feels good and swim still has a good opiate high.

haha Swim had to hide is opiate use from his girl so when she couldn't get him off she would feel bad and apologize. But then there where the days swim wasn't high and he'd bust three or four nuts before she could get off. If she was lucky enough to.
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Old 21-03-2010, 02:22
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Re: heroin boners

swim doesnt want to make a seperate thread for this out of fear of seeming like a pervert, but another question for you fellas:

When withdrawing does swiy have wet dreams and also does masturbation feel extra good for swiy? because both those are true for swim! swim thinks it has something to do with the dopamine faucets being turned back on in his brain which swim thinks is responsible for the sexual appetite and food appetite.
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Re: heroin boners

Swim get's this as well. He does not us intravenously, but whenever he starts to get high he gets aroused. He wonders what the cause of this could be? A sudden surge of testosterone maybe? But that doesn't make sense...
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AW: Long-term heroin effects on erectile function?

Maybe Swiny should decide: nice and good sex with a lot of fun and many erections in a day
or opioid- drugs

Both together will not work for the majority of Opionauts!
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Old 21-03-2010, 19:29
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When withdrawing does swiy have wet dreams and also does masturbation feel extra good for swiy?
I think the wet dreams thing is very, very common for guys who are in the midst of heroin withdrawal, waking up at 5 in the morning covered in sweat and semen, feeling like death lol. Also, all it takes is a girl to accidentally brush against a guy's thigh and they come. I've mentioned this before on here, but I'll say it again - the last time my boyfriend did his rattle, a year or so before I started seeing him, he was going out with this non-user girl, who knew fuck all about smack. Anyway, she figured that she was gods gift to men cos she was able to make him orgasm so easily, don't think he had the heart to tell her it was all due to the previous however many years of heroin abuse.

Kinda show how much it fucks your body up, doesn't it?

It seems that girls experience an increased genital sensitivity whilst in withdrawal as well, but from my good friend's personal experience, getting laid is the last thing on her mind when she's ill. She has heard other people say they get really horny when they start to cluck, but this seems utterly insane to her. She hates anybody even touching her is she's rattling, let alone anything else.

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swim thinks it has something to do with the dopamine faucets being turned back on in his brain which swim thinks is responsible for the sexual appetite and food appetite.
Have a read through the following two excepts:
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Originally Posted by Low Pituitary Lactotroph Hyperplasia and Chronic Hyperprolactinemia in Dopamine D2 Receptor-Deficient Mice Neuron, Vol. 19, 103–113, July, 1997.
Studies of men and women with elevated levels of prolactin report decreased sexual interest, arousal, orgasm as well as mood disturbances such as anxiety and depression. Dysfunction in remaining erect has been described in men with both abnormally low and abnormally high prolactin levels. In women, high prolactin has been associated with infertility and decreased sexual activity. Animal studies also suggest that prolactin has an inhibitory influence on both male and female sexual behavior, although short-term prolactin elevations may play a role in some elements of sexual behavior in male rats.

Clearly, this molecule plays many roles in humans but the exact role is uncertain. It is known that prolactin shares a close connection with dopamine in the brain, particularly in the tubero-infundibular tract, which runs along the base of the hypothalamus and releases dopamine into the portal veins of the pituitary gland. Dopamine acts to inhibit the release of prolactin. This, in turn, affects dopamine release. Blockade of dopamine receptors in the tuberoinfundibular tract releases prolactin from the tonic inhibitor control of dopamine, allowing prolactin levels to rise. This self-regulation is critical to prolactin homeostasis, since any disturbance in the connection between the hypothalamus and the pituitary may lead to hyperprolactinemia (high prolactin levels).
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Once the morphine is in the brain it can go to work by stimulating the mu () opioid receptors. One of the primary ways in which heroin creates its effect is by simulating the natural opiate-like neurotransmitters (called the endogenous opioids, which include endorphins) in the brain. There are receptors for these natural opiates (which will accept both the natural and artificial varieties) on neurons containing γ-aminobutyric acid (GABA) neurotransmitters. GABA proteins are involved in the inhibition of the release of dopamine.

Normally the GABA neuron receives a signal and releases a large number of neurotransmitters, these bind to receptors on the dopamine neuron and allow the Cl waiting in the synaptic cleft to enter the dopamine neuron. This signals the neuron to release only a small, specific, set amount of dopamine, which in turn binds to another neuron, continuing the neural pathway, and leads to "normal" feelings of contentment or pleasure.

The presence of morphine alters this pattern. When the morphine binds to the opiate receptor on the GABA neuron it represses the release of the GABA neurotransmitters, this in turn represses the amount of Cl that is allowed into the dopamine neuron. Without the Cl to inhibit it, the neuron releases a large, uncontrolled amount of dopamine, leading to the feeling of euphoria and supreme contentment.

One of the reasons why coming off heroin can be so painful is because you have used up a huge quantity of dopamine in one rush. Thus your body has to make more before it can begin to release it normally again. When a person becomes an addict, this problem only becomes worse, each use of heroin adding to the last. Finally, when the cells that create dopamine are put under a significant amount of stress, they will start to shut down, producing less dopamine. This is one of the reasons that withdrawal from heroin is so extreme.

Trying heroin once is not enough to make you physically addicted. The technical definition of an addict is "someone who is physiologically dependent on a substance [and] abrupt deprivation of the substance produces withdrawal symptoms." To become "physiologically dependent" means that your body needs to have the drug to function, without it you will go through withdrawal. It seems that the chemical actions that cause withdrawal come when heroin has been used so much that the body cannot function when only being supplied with the normal level of dopamine. If heroin is only taken once the user will suffer a "low" after taking the drug, because a large amount of their dopamine has been used up, but their neurons have not become damaged or adjusted to the drug, and do not require it to work, thus the person is not addicted. When someone is physically addicted, and they stop taking heroin “cold turkey”, all the physiological and neurological systems that have been repressed and suppressed during their addiction go into overdrive, accounting for the many awful symptoms that are suffered during withdrawal.
So to sum up, heroin use causes an abnormally large release of dopamine. Heroin withdrawal creates a markedly decreased production of dopamine. Normal dopamine levels are required to create a "normal" sex drive/ sexual sensitivity etc, due to the connection with prolactin production. So it would follow that heroin use, and heroin withdrawal will cause some distinct changes to sexual behaviour, activity, erectile function, sexual interest, arousal, length of time it takes to orgasm etc.

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