Tabernate Iboga - a powerfull hallucinogen

[GDxCAT]

For anyone who doesnt live in USA, belgium, switzerland or sweden
ibogaine HCL 98% is now available through an internet source of
ethnobotanicals.

[evanisgod]

Have any of you ordered iboga bark online and live in the u.s.? I'd love to try it but it's illegal here and I don't know how safe it is to order...if I'd get caught or whatever.

[blindpanda_eric]

"The Tabernanthe iboga plant is specifically listed as Schedule I in the
United States under the Ibogaine entry. This means it is illegal to
buy, sell, or possess without a DEA license." - erowid



so considering its illegal... importing it in the mail isn't a great idea, most likely you will get caught

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Iboga is not a fun, or recreational high. It's probably second
down on the list of Not Fun stuff, with Datura being in first place.



A lot of things that are illegal/Schedule 1 according to US law are
there irrationally, as the don't have very dangerous effects to the
mind or body, they just threaten politicos because when people take
them they see through all the bullshit.



I think Iboga should be legal for certain things in the USA, like
addiction treatment, as it has proven to be of value in this area in
many other countries where it's use is legal. But really, it
should not be played with by any old individual seeking a recreational
high, especially a person not well versed in it's safe use, and
definitely not by a person who will not have a sitter around.



It's not like tripping alone on LSD or 2C-I, which are both manageable affairs.

[acolon_5]

This is one plant that prohabition makes NO sense. It has been used with very positive results for opiate addiction. I personally would love for SWIM to take a theraputic dose (1000mg) and kick his addiction to poppy tea. I think it is very stupid of the US gov to think that it is better to have cities full of H addicts than a few kids try an uncomfortable psycoactive drug....what a waste

[sands of time]

Originally Posted by BrugmansiaBrujo

Iboga is not a fun, or recreational high.* It's probably second
down on the list of Not Fun stuff, with Datura being in first place.

A lot of things that are illegal/Schedule 1 according to US law are
there irrationally, as the don't have very dangerous effects to the
mind or body, they just threaten politicos because when people take
them they see through all the bullshit.

I think Iboga should be legal for certain things in the USA, like
addiction treatment, as it has proven to be of value in this area in
many other countries where it's use is legal.* But really, it
should not be played with by any old individual seeking a recreational
high, especially a person not well versed in it's safe use, and
definitely not by a person who will not have a sitter around.*

It's not like tripping alone on LSD or 2C-I, which are both manageable affairs.

Ok, I respect your opinion, but have you ever tried this stuff? I hear everyone saying this, but when asked about the effects they always say "well I never tried it myself". This is pissing me off, because there are some people that find all sorts of unusual drugs as fun in some way. Many things that cause hallucinations don't cause any sort of high, they just trip you out. People still do them and find them fun and interesting. An example would be salvia, which often times cause bad trips and such. People still use it for recreational purposes.

[BrugmansiaBrujo]

Yes SWIM has. At high tripping doses, as well as at lower doses both
alone and in combination with other herbs for the purpose of acting as
an aphrodesiac, which it is quite good for.



SWIM still has a good supply, but SWIM is loathe to trip on it ever again.



It is some dangerous shit, in that the amount needed for a good trip is
also very close to the amount that will cause extreme stimulation
(physical type) that can be dangerous to your health, or even kill
you. It requires expert administration and a trip sitter to trip
on, and the trip is not really recreational, though it is life changing.


SWIM is not in the habit of talking out his ass, or simply parroting
things he reads in books. SWIM either speaks from personal
experience; or SWIM asks questions of others who know when SWIM is
interested in new experiences.




SWIM is not against anyone trying what ever they want to, for what ever
purpose they have in mind. On the other hand, SWIM cares about
his fellow human beings, and when dangerous or stupid ideas are brought
up, SWIM can't help but try and discourage folk.



SWIM would hope folk would at least consider learning from SWIM's
mistakes, but then again SWIM prolly knows in his heart that folk won't
listen. After all, SWIM hisself was/is a hard headed SOB and
wouldn't listen, that's why SWIM has this info to share in the first
place.





By all means, go for it if you have not tried it.




Edited by: BrugmansiaBrujo

[genaro]

yess iboga prohibition does make sense....to pharmaceutical firms which did realize that easly curing heroin addicts within a week with a few doses of iboga (very cheap) wasn't as profitable that getting them hooked on methadone for the rest of their life (methadone buiseness represents lots and lots of money to these firms)...and that's the main reason for iboga to be banned in most countries.
Money is almost always the answer to irrational laws.
...and I try to keep thinking that there might be something good for me in this wonderful world...

[vwaporder]

Iboga,

Would put so many people out of work and kill the drug war trade alltogether. Think about the loss of control of the addicted population. I myself take Bup. at $6.00 per pill. One horrible trip on Iboga would release me and give me back full control without going through costly WD's in a $$$ making rehab center. No here in the US you must pay pay pay and then pay again when you fall off the wagon. Iboga would put Rehab centers, Methadone clinics, AA meetings, and good ol MO (Altria) out of business so fast our economy will crumble fast. Just look at yourselves a think if you could go into a center for 3 days and be free from addiction period. No more cravings!!!!!!!!!!!!??? Thats a bad thing for the service providers and Pharma companies altogether. Thier guarenteed revenues would drop and would have to creat somekind of other disease to combat to replace the drug war revenue stream this country has created. E.G a few earth quakes, wars, some hurrricanes, and disease. Iboga also has been shown to rearrange the medulla in the brain where addiction is encapsuled. ( to much to go into ). Iboga would by itself weaken the political idiots in power now due to the fact all of you addicted people would then become as productave and powerfull as they are. The new world order would lose their ability to control conflict through our addictions. We would all stop looking to get high and become a threat to those who are in power now. Every person I know is dependent on some kind of drug for what ever the reason. Iboga would be a scary prospect due to the fact it cures addiction, depression and high blood pressure.

Notice that before you have ever heard of Ibogaine that it was already sched 1 control....... The research was done and the powers that be (AMA) said no way this will be allowed as it will kill our business and be a major threat to their existance. Iboga is left to the jungle peoples as they are no threat to big business; as they are not consumers as we are and will continue to be.

In 1962 Iboga was given to the criminaly insane for testing. In short the conclusion was that they began to show remorse, guilt and the ability to move on to being cured of their habits and wreched pasts. Iboga gave them the ability to move on into society leaving behind without guilt or fear. The outcome was to powerfull to allow this substance to be used as a therapy measure. It is a cure!!! When you cure a problem there is nothing left to develope hence a complete shutdown of the control facility. The control facility must survive at all costs so keep em locked up and keep the lawyers/prisons/judges/rehabcenters/cops/drug companies/the system in business!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! And the controled conflict of the drug war going strong!!!!!!!!!!! It keeps us under control and away from true freedom. We are the economic slaves of our world and Iboga is the key to true freedom.

They hold the keys and won't let you have them. In April I will go to a place that treats addiction with Iboga. I am very affraid to face myself as Iboga forces you to do. Just writting this will most likely be part of the process and I will have to face my inability to communicate and be utterly naked in front of myself. I am very scared but need to move on in life so I may make a tre contribution to the human condition.


Love to you all''

CC

[melt_000]

you can get voacanga in the us, which contains ibogaine.

[psyche]

Swims been considering ordering this substance. Swims thought so far it's almost "another psychedelic", a bit different and quite strong but still very safe in comparision. This makes him to think again and do some further reading, really.

Swims is, as hes been declaring around here for couple of times, quite careful about drugs hazards. He has done some psychedelics and other stuff, but not really experienced. He considers he has read a lot about wide range of drugs, their effects on brain function and consciousness, history and experiences. But ofcourse everything is relative, and this place seems to have expectionally many knowledgeble people. Other forums seem to have only small minority of people really knowing and understanding about drugs and majority just finding their way to get high. And ofcourse the fair share of people screaming like "WHY DO YOU DO DRUGS".

[CrookedEye]

Sorry it is not in SWIM, format, but since it took place where it was legal, I suppose that makes it okay?

I will post a trip report from an experience I had (in the Netherlands, where all of it was legal)... The report was written soon after my return from Amsterdam..

Well, let me tell you, they sure don't tell that much from the reports on the net about Tabernanthe Iboga/Ibogaine. It says you get little to no withdrawal, it fixes your receptors and it cleans out your system. Well, this is only partially true.

The thing is when you take the first small dose, about a gram of whole plant extract, you get no withdrawal for a while and you also don't get the trip. It's like taking some methadone(the withdrawal will come if given in little doses as well, so prolonging the session seemed pretty counterproductive).

So crazy me decided I would take 5 grams of extract, since I was told she gave one guy 12 grams and he had a religious experience and it changed his life for the better. I was told to search deep in my consciousness to find how much I should take, and not to be shy. So, I decide at first at 2 grams, then 3, but finally said the hell with it, give me 5 grams.

I took it and was told to go relax and lay down while it kicked in. I went to the bed and layed down, totally comfortable. A few minutes, maybe a half hour later, I decided to get up because I was getting bored, but it was definitely starting to kick in because my limbs were heavy and it was getting hard to walk.

Then I started to see flashes of white lines around every object and especially those that moved. My vision would pulse from these totally black backgrounds with the white zig-zagged lines from the moving objects in the room or from when I would move. So they said you'd better lay down before you can't walk and I complied. I laid down and almost immediately started to dream and my whole body felt pretty numb, plus I heard a buzz in my ears as if I was in a concrete tunnel and I was hearing reverberations from some steady hum or buzz.

Then came the visions. Now they usually say you see primitive peoples, many times black folks, which would have been great for me since I am actually more comfortable around all blacks, even when I went to jail. For some reason I think they understand me a little better then much of the white race. Anyways, I didn't see black folks, I saw middle eastern people and I imagined I was in Iraq or somewhere similar. I think that had something to do with the fact that I had watched a special on Saddam Hussein on the history channel just a few days before.

So here I am, seeing these Osama Bin Laden MF'ers with those machine guns you always see them with on TV. Then I would also see Islamic people fighting and big artillery being fired off. In my mind I was in a desert type bunker trying to hide from the blasts, but I was actually lurking around in my bed under these heavy covers.

I also imagined that I was in these lavish halls created for Saddam and his people and there were huge, fat, gluttonous middle eastern people that were trying to control the masses, yet they were so fat they would roll around instead of walking. There was a woman related to them who was also fat, but not nearly as huge as the fat brothers(I imagined they were all related). They were telling her she was beautiful and could be a symbol of the beauty of their society, if she'd only try and slim down a bit.

Now, at this time, I could understand none of this was actually real, so I tried to change my thinking but it wouldn't work. So I tried to get up, but that is when the vomiting started. I was throwing up day and night for 2 days and I think I lost about 5 pounds. I was already thin and have lost about 30 pounds since I had been lowering my dose of methadone, so this trip really made me frail and weak. The visions lasted about 24-36 hours with periods of awakeness with the same black flashes with white lines that I described earlier.

Okay, so I guess you can imagine what type of crazy visions I was getting, so now I'll get to the physical part. When I came out of the trip I could barely move to walk, but I managed to come out of the room to try and get some nourishment.

Everything in the NL tastes funny to begin with. Their soda doesn't even taste the same. I think it has less sugar or something, because it doesn't taste right. Their juices also taste syruppy and not what I'm used to, so it was rough trying to find something appetizing. Also, if you know what opiates do to your smooth muscle in your stomach that pushes your crap through, then you can understand how hard it is to eat normally when it isn't under the influence.

I was told after I got there it would have been better to switch to heroin for a week first, because heroin detoxes are less hard on the body and it goes much quicker. But it was too late and she didn't want to tell me to break any laws, so what can you do?

Okay, so now I am awake and very weak but I can't smoke a cigarette because they tasted soooo nasty. The herb was the only thing that I could smoke and be happy, but the high wasn't that enjoyable as it usually was. It did help with sleep though.

So I slowly would move around more and more but it was still very hard on my digestion and I am still not feeling too good in that department. Tomorrow I will go to the clinic to see if I can get Milan, which is for stomach problems and is what another addict I know used when he kicked methadone.

By the second or third day out of the trip the withdrawal actually started to come in, not normal withdrawal but more of anxiety and not sleeping, plus yawning, watery eyes and sneezing attacks. The chills weren't as bad but I did feel cold for days under my skin. Just mild discomfort but the withdrawal did return, much milder than any other detox, but never-the-less withdrawal, and it comes in waves.

It was like how I felt after my first detox, which took about a week. So that means it took about 3-4 days after detoxing from methadone to feel the same as a week after detoxing from heroin by using non narcotic pills and various other drugs to treat the symptoms. No night sweats, although I get them now, occasionally, and I slept every night I was there, with the help of melatonin and a few valiums(took about 5mgs once or twice a day of the valium for the couple nights after I came out of the trip). It is still gonna be a while before I feel like I did before I started using but I am farther along than I would have been any other way.

I also made it worse because after the Iboga I was so wigged out and wanting to feel normal that I smoked a bit of heroin(probably second or third day after coming out of the trip), which happened to be very crappy, but just enough to give me a good nights sleep and make me able to stand the taste of cigarettes(which was very stupid because I was trying to quit those as well).

But I am an addict and when it's available it is very hard to resist, especially in the state I was in. I need to be stronger and to just go through a good month or so of pain, but I get so desperate sometimes it get's almost unbearable.

But the good news, I have methadone at home that I haven't touched and I haven't taken anything since I've been home besides a vicodin occasionally and Cannabis, the main healing medicine that I know is going to see me through this. Now I don't want to get anyone in trouble so I won't mention where I got the dope but I wish I wouldn't have.

Okay, so now you know about the Iboga and my nightmare trip(which I would probably do again, once I am totally clean of everything, or maybe I'll use it once more to conquer the cigarettes, which wouldn't be such a problem if I could only smoke Cannabis). Unfortunately, it is a struggle just to keep my Cannabinoid levels right, since I am broke and can't grow my own under my current living arrangements but my friends and family are still helping me, so I hopefully won't have too much more trouble.

I am still having a lot of trouble sleeping for more than an hour or two at a time, but getting up and getting the adrenaline pumping with some hyped music gets my mind off the pain for awhile. I am glad I have no connections for heroin or money because there are times the pain gets so bad in my stomach that if I could I would score.

I cannot do this and I know it, but in my mind there are some points that seem unbearable and even though I know that it will eventually pass, my mind gets very irrational when I am sick. I find it helpful to tell everyone I'm with about these feelings (even if it disappoints them to hear it) because I don't really know if I am strong enough to do it alone.

Also, taking the Vicodin occasionally is only aggravating the situation but it also allows me to start working to pay back the money I owe. I am going to have my girl ration them out and gradually get lower if I really need to but so far in the several days I've been home, I have only eaten 3 of them and that is only when the Cannabis won't help the pain.

I guess since it's only hydrocodone in 5 mgs and tylenol, so it's not that bad, but being an addict I really have to be careful and let my girl hold them so I don't go overboard and develop another habit. I am proud in a way that I am not dependent on methadone anymore, but I don't want to depend on anything to be fully functional.

So, I will continually update my progress and if anyone cares, I'll tell you how I'm doing. I am disappointed it is still as hard as it is because I expected a miracle cure, but this is only a miracle tool and it will take much more than just that to beat the monkey.

Okay, now about my conscious time in A'dam. Since I was so sick, I never went to a coffee shop, nor did I see the red light district, however, I did meet one of my idols and favorite breeders, Soma, from SomaSeeds in the Netherlands. He had some super potent mushroom tea and the lady I stayed with had also added peyote to it I believe. I only had a sip to take away some of the edginess, but it was good and a mixture of many types of psychedelic mushrooms. The woman had 500 peyote buttons in every window of the house, she had her own Cannabis(powerplant) and a number of connections, including Soma.

Soma gave me a joint of some skunk weed he was smoking on and it was so strong that it made my whole outfit reak like skunk just from carrying it in my cigarette pack. I also got some waterhash and SAGE and Amnesia Haze, which was some of the best pot I've ever smoked and it was all totally organic, so every hit tasted like it smelled.

I now know Soma plus his daughter and her husband happened to be staying at the same place I was. It's sooo cool to have met a guy that I've read so much about and that I had looked up to as a Cannabis breeder.

I didn't get any pictures for some reason and I was too sick to really get out and around but it was over all a very wonderful learning experience and definitely worthwhile for anyone serious (and I mean dead serious) about getting clean, because although it is a much more humane enviorment and much more spiritual and introspective journey, it isn't a piece of cake, miracle, quick fix, it is still a long hard road made easier by Iboga.

I'd be happy to tell more but I am at work and it is over an hour after closing time, plus my kids just got dropped off so I have to run. Any questions or interests and I'll be happy to indulge further into my insights and experience, but until then, Peace be with you!



Sorry I didn't take the time to rewrite the whole post, but I figure it may be better with the story told fresh after the experience..

Reputation Comments on this post:

	great story
	Excellent report, thanks for writing this.

[wildwind]

Hi crookedEye,

Thanks for posting your experience.

love & peace.

Sara wildwind