Tabernate Iboga - a powerfull hallucinogen

Did you take it to get rid of an addiction? how was the experience? Did it work for you? Any side effects?

[salvia]

I have experience with a wide variety of legal ethnogens, but have never heard of anyones' experience with iboga. I know that it is illegal in the US, but has a legal cousin with similar effects. I would like to hear about peoples experiences with legal ethnogens, including marijuana substitutes. A few I have heard of include Sculleteria Nana(mad dog weed), Lions Tail, and Marijuanilla.

Trachelospermum jasminoides (Star Jasmine) also contains Ibogaine and is legal in the US. Check out http://www.ibogaine.desk.nl/index.htmlfor more info on Iboga.

[Mellow_natts]

I find the term "marijuana substitue" misleading and unnecessary. All substances possess unique qualities and should be addressed as such.

[betty_bupe]

I took it to get off methadone...yes, it works...no, it's not a recreational or casual drug..



pm me if you have any questions...



cheers,

Betty_Bupe

[Bodhisattva500]

can you extract star jasmine easily

[cyalume]

ibogaine's anti-addiction uses could be extremely promising from what i have read. Guess the companies that manufacture methadone have pulled strings to make it illegal here. Similar to the whole L-tryptophan / Prozac incident.

[Bodhisattva500]

The history of ibogain is very interesting. From what ive read it seems to work. When my bro was having problems with morhine i was gonna go to canada and try and get some but he cleaned up okay with out it. Heres a site with some infoand history


http://www.cures-not-wars.org/ibogaine/iboga.html


What happened with tryptophan and prozac by the way?

[Dr_H]

The FDA made tryptophan illegal because it could interfere with the sales of drug companies. Tryptophan is amino acid and is found in milk and turkey, it makes you sleepy.


Prozac is an antidepressent made by Elli Lilly, they supposedly hid research papers showing peope on Prozac had an increased tendency to commit suicide.


Ibogain is illegal because the governments want addicts and does not want a cure. That way the war on drugs can continue and all the money made from it can keep coming in.


I am not sure how it is related except that it is all money motivated.

[sunyata]

Not just money, power. With the war on drugs as an excuse they are infringing upon our rights for privacy, surveilancing your phone, computer, checking mail, randomly searching people on the streets, etc. In Norway now, all the police has to do is ask a judge to put you under surveilance, and the judge says yes in all cases. They also have the right to pose as drug-buyers to get you, earlier a civilian cop/pig had to admit to being a cop if you asked him. And it's probably going to get a lot worse, power corrupts EVERYONE, there are no exceptions.

[Mike177]

"Ibogain is illegal because the governments want addicts and does not want a cure."

I dont think thats true, iboga was made illegal back in the 60's along with LSD when they introduced the scheduling system. Back then the use of iboga to treat heroin addiction was not known like it is today, also the FDA has approved research for it so if all goes well it very well may be legal in the future.

"That way the war on drugs can continue and all the money made from it can keep coming in."

the governemt is not makeing any money from the war on drugs, in fact the us government is loosing SO much money enforcing a law that no one follows, the budget for the DEA has gone up and up and up over the past 30 years and it hasnt made a dent in drug use. if the governemnt made iboga or other/all drugs legal they could tax it and make an ass load of money. we could pay off the national debt.

[Dr_H]

LSD became illegal in California on Oct 6, 1966 and illegal at a federal level in 1967. Iboga was made illegal in the early 70's (haveing a hard time finding the date).


I want to tell you how the gov is making money on the war on drugs but Iam having a hard timedecidingwhere to start it is so huge.


1St think about how may people are employed by the drug war. Dea, Police, Every politition that has passed a law to further his carreer. Then there are the drug counselors, and programs all getting gov aid. Then there are organizations like DARE (corrupt bastards) who benifit directly from forfeitures and seizures in drug cases.


Prissons, there is a big one, 90% are private institutions that are huge money makers, mostly filled with drug offenders. The other 10% are state and federal prissons but also big money makers. Then there are the bussinesses that benifit from prissons like food suppliers and all the other supplies it takes to run prissons and all the guards they employ.


Aside from money there is our (the U.S.) influence over other countries. I.E. Last year Jamaica was trying to decriminalize it's pot law and the U.S. says if you do that we will withhold $20billion in aid to you. They did not decriminalize their pot laws.


Heck Mike177 you even mentioned the DEA's budget and how it goes up every year and yet they are still not getting results accept for putting millions of people in prisson. Every time that budget goes up you can bet that someone at the top has budgeted himself a nice raise.


Then there is the corruption that comes with any war but is way far out and beyond with the drug war. If you read High Times at all you can read in every issue stories about corrupt cops and polititions.


If you want to know how the drug war affects this country in a bad way subscribe to the Drug War Chronicles. It is an E-news all about the drug war and drug reform. http://stopthedrugwar.org/index.shtmlGreat stories and you will know what laws are being passed like: Jimson Weed has just been made illegal in Oklahoma and they trying to pass a law right now in Missouri to make Salvia illegal.


By the way the National Debt is a scam. Debt implies that money is owed to somebody. You tell me who we(the U.S.)owe those trillions of dollars to when we are giving money hand over foot to other countries so we can influence their politics and laws. Who does the U.S owe money to?


Sorry if it turned into a rant instead of a post but as they say "the deeper you go the bigger it gets!"

[Eirias]

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star jasmine leaves needed is huge even to provide enough for one dose
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[xctico]

Dr_H. You made a good point. The drug war does increase goberment
spending, therefore increasing the aggreagated demand. But it doesn't
increase goberment income. It has to be paid for [taxes].



As for the national debt, the problem lies in that the US is buying
more stuff to most other countries [specially china, but europe as
well, and now even mexico is on the red numbers]; to pay for those
extra imports, the FED issues bond tittles and sells them to investors
both locally and at foreign markets. Those bonds have to be paid for,
otherwise the next time nobody will buy them [look at argentina], or
you'll have to give a much larger interest rate to get investors
interested.

Here's where the real problem of Bush's deficits is. By having such
deficits on commerce[Import &gt; Export] and Finances [Budget &gt;
Taxes]

the FED has only three choices, to create new dollard bills at a much
faster rate [more inflation, and the currency losses value; creating
the third deficit a monetary one {dollar emisions &gt; than economical
growth}], to capture dollars from overseas by using bonds, or to raise
taxes[to bush's rich friends; that's a no no.].



So the Fed basically sells bonds on monetary markets overseas. But
since there are deficits there's a chance of the FED having to raise
the interest rate on those bonds in order to compete with other bond
makers [all countries do this, so you've got to compete with the EU,
Russia, etc], and that'll cost a LOT of money.

The problem is that when a country like china has the opposite
situation, surplusses. They don't go out selling bonds but buying. [Is
their money that the FED is trying to get].



So right now you're right everybody owes the US money, but it's slowly turning around [and in some cases not so slowly].

[Dr_H]

Corruption is where most of the money is made. It is not only monitary gain. There is the power as well. Polititions get bills and laws passes as a result of the drug war. Then they advertise the laws that they get passed so the can swim up the political fish ladder. All facets of our lives are regulated by laws and that keeps us afraids so we don't do anything. Think about it, it is difficult for the average person to make it through the day with out breaking some minor or major law. From wearing your seatbelt (they can pull you over for that one now, used to be they had to pull you over for something else and then tak on the seatbelt infraction) to jaywalking, pot smoking, etc. If everyone is breaking a law of some sort no one does anything to complain be cause they don't want to get busted. Drug users are the ones who generally think outside the box. The gov doesn't want people to question they want sheeple. Mass consumers that don't think.

[Dr_H]

Along the same lines, the supreme court has just ruled that walking a dog around your vehicle does not constitute a search because the dog is walking in the area around your car not in it. But if the dog should indicate, that gives the police probable cause and they then can search your vehicle without your consent. This just paves the way to walking k-9's around parking lots, through crowds around your house etc. Getting pretty scary.

[xctico]

Hmm. That is pretty scary stuff.

Have you seen Michael Moore's bowling for columbine, and farenheith
911? It goes along the lines of both you coments, if you wanna look in
the lines of you second comment, read 1984 by george orwell; then take
a look at the "PATRIOT ACT" that was passed by congress right after
911.

Or look carefully into the freedom fry craze before the invasion of
Irak, and then check out on the history channel the way things where
going in germany circa 1941. The similarities are scary.

[Dr_H]

It goes on and on . . . . And the deeper you go the bigger it gets. I was reading about Jimi Hendrix and how he died the other day. I always thought it was a drug overdose and that is what the mass media reported. He did have 9 vesperax in his stomach. So i looked up vesperax and it is a mild sedative made in Germany. It was also reported that Jimi drown in his own vomit. It turns out he drowned on red wine and not vomited wine. There was more wine in his lungs that his stomach and the Vesperax were still in his stomach not his system. The article implied that he was drown, he was held down on his bed and the bottle put to his mouth. Turns out his manager was an ex CIA agent and Jimi was trying to dissolve their relationship. If anybody wants to read the article, here is the link. http://www.alexconstantine.50megs.co...overt_war.html


Sorry, I didn't mean to get so far off topic.

[hacnslash]

yea man, let's all be fuckin hardcore and not wear our seatbelts, fuckin A to the revolution...

[xctico]

You could start by giving your vote to someone different than the same 2 assholes every 4 years.

[DrugPhreak]

I really like this thread... thought provoking and well written. I need to visit the Natural forum more often. SWIDP would like to try Ibogaine, but itssynthesis is nearly impossible to pull off and SWIDP has no idea where to get Iboga leaves as they are in the US.A trip to Africa is in order. Can someone whohas tried it post their experience to this thread?

[xctico]

I heard, from a link I got in erowid, that one of the reasons it's schedule is because it causes liver and heart problems.


Some scientists are trying to sinthetize it, in order to get the effects safely.

[BlueMystic]

Originally Posted by Mike177

"Ibogain is illegal because the governments want addicts and does not want a cure."

I dont think thats true, iboga was made illegal back in the 60's along with LSD when they introduced the scheduling system. Back then the use of iboga to treat heroin addiction was not known like it is today, also the FDA has approved research for it so if all goes well it very well may be legal in the future.

"That way the war on drugs can continue and all the money made from it can keep coming in."

the governemt is not makeing any money from the war on drugs, in fact the us government is loosing SO much money enforcing a law that no one follows, the budget for the DEA has gone up and up and up over the past 30 years and it hasnt made a dent in drug use. if the governemnt made iboga or other/all drugs legal they could tax it and make an ass load of money. we could pay off the national debt.

Holy crap. I can't believe you actually said that. What reallity are you existing in? I suppose the govt. is always honest and cares about our health and well being too.

[Dr_H]

We all believe most of what we are told until new information comes along. That is the beauty of forums like these, you become exposed to different points of view and can see a much broader picture (or at least a broader picture of other peoples views). We think our eyes are open until we really open them and even then we realize our real eyes are just beginning to realize the truth (as we believe it is). Time to start picking the crusty film of the sandmans propaganda from your eyes. Baby steps if that is what it takes.

[Alfa]

Experiences please..