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Old 07-03-2010, 22:12
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Methylone dose

Swim used to do a lot of speed and e 10 years ago but had to stop as was getting in a mess with it. He heard about mephedrone so gave it a try. He loved revisiting the old days but found it quite toxic. He read about methylone and tought it sounded a more chilled out option so ordered 1g. He is always aware that being a big bloke (6'4" and 20st) and worried about spoiling a trip he stated with a high first dose of about 400mg. After 20 mins a nice gentle high started to build but went nowhere. He felt cheated so did another 400mg 30mins after first dose (both oral) and again a gentle come up that went nowhere. He was left very stimulated (not in a good way) and unable to sleep but other than the initial light come up found no pleasure from it. From what he's read 800mg in half an hour is more than enough (and very stupid but he felt compelled to redose) so what went wrong? Bad batch? The methylone was very dry hard crystals with a yellow tinge to it. It didn't smell. Swim has never liked a quitter so has another gram on order from another supplier and doesn't want to give in to his inner voice telling him to go in high on the initial dose to save any dissapointment so is looking for advice. Thanks.
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Old 07-03-2010, 22:38
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Re: Methylone dose

can't really say what you received, but normally methylone is powdery. Swim knows that powdery stuff is just crystals ground up more, but he's received methylone from several different sources and they all have had the same appearance. saying that the powder is yellowish. but it has always had a smell that swim best describes as coconutty but not quite.

anyway really 400mg is way too much for a single dose, then to follow with another 400 so shortly after is asking for trouble.. really anything above about 250mg per dose is too much. even for the larger person. swim used to do that and has decided with methylone less is more. with 400mg swiy get all the negative side effects with not so much of the positive effects. the higher the dose the more speedy/stimulating it gets and the less euphoric.

of course it is possibly swiy got a duff batch. but without an actually lab test on it there no possible way to be certain.
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Old 07-03-2010, 22:50
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Re: Methylone dose

Thanks for the reply. I know the amount taken was stupid and and will tell my friend not to do it again. Just couldn't believe the lack of effects. I shall tell him to start off with about 200 mg next time to test the waters. From what I've read it seems to be less is more and possibly a fine balancing act.
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Old 07-03-2010, 23:26
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Re: Methylone dose

This definitely is a strange one, especially in the doses SWIY mentions, in SWIM's opinion one dose of 400mg would be a very intense roll in terms of it's effects, especially for a first time. All SWIM can think of is tolerance built up with past mdma use, but then many SWIY's who take methylone already have that history and get an enjoyable roll from sub 250 mg doses, even turning to it for that reason of tolerance build up on mdma. SWIM has read about how other SWIM's are stoked with being able to experience the 'magic' again when MDMA no longer has it's effect. Another possibility, as already pointed out, and in SWIM's opinion more likely is a very poor batch. Again though as already pointed out without an actual test this can't be proved, although as SWIY has ordered another batch from a different source some conclusion can be drawn soon. Other possible things to consider could be stomach content and any other medication SWIY may be on interfering with the trip in some way.
As a case in reference, SWIM is 6.4 and although has no considerable tolerance build to mdma the initial rolls he had on methylone, on an empty stomach (last meal approx 5 hours earlier) were 200mg (single dose) and 250mg (followed by 50mg booster within 1 hour 30) respectively, 200mg (followed by 100mg booster inside 1 hour 30) oral mixed with water. The first effects were felt within 5-10 minutes, by the 30 minute mark he was in euphoric ecstasy, feeling everything good effect this substance had to offer, the music appreciation, empathy, general loved up, dropping of all baggage, the famous 'magic'. The first two rolls went up in levels over the next two hours, plateaued at the 3 hour mark or so and gently trailed off back to baseline. The time SWIM took the 200mg followed with 100mg booster the roll lasted around 5 hours! SWIM get's bad drawn out comedowns now making sleep impossible for hours after plateau now but that's beside the point.
In any case for SWIY, new to methylone an initial dose of 200mg should give SWIY all the good effects this substance is known for. Next time SWIM recommend's a fully empty stomach (if that wasn't the case this time) so SWIY can at least rule that out of the equation if it doesn't effect SWIY so good on this new batch. If SWIY is on any additional medication, read up about it's effects when methylone is taken with it.
All the best with SWIY's next batch and hopefully the roll goes well! Make sure to post the trip experience on here, be it good or bad!
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Old 07-03-2010, 23:53
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Re: Methylone dose

SWIM finds this all very interesting. SWIM did lots of on-line research to find the dosage for Methylone before trying any, the answer seemed to be what was suggested above, namely: about 250 - 350mg max.

However SWIM has taken those amounts, even the 350mg and got nothing only breaking though when another 100mg was snorted.

Now SWIM, rarely takes anything, once every two months or less, so no tolerance issues, and the product was obtained from different sources, and had the desired effect on other SWIMERS at lower doses.

So it is possible to just be a bit of a hard-head, for the stuff, SWIM is also the same with mdma, where others take one pill and are in orbit SWIM will need two.

SWIM was concerned about this and after internet research on this site and others did find others out there, who displayed a similar expensive response to the stuff.

Great stuff though, SWIM now takes, 400mg orally and that just works, next time the same amount dissolved in operation poop-shoot.

SWIM is 6' 1" and 180lbs
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Old 12-04-2010, 07:04
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Re: Methylone dose

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So it is possible to just be a bit of a hard-head, for the stuff, SWIM is also the same with mdma, where others take one pill and are in orbit SWIM will need two.
Yes thats very true.

If SWIM was in your shoes, after doing plenty of research he would assume his dosage advice (if the advice didn't vary greatly) to be fairly accurate for the average user, because in most cases it would be.

However, there will always be those individuals closer to one end of the scale than the average person. It could be related to a genetic factor amongst tons of others. Some first timers will discover a high tolerance as others learn they are very hypersensitive. We all get out personal preference for doses eventually, but that has to come through SWIYs newbie experiences. Its just a shame SWIY is not at the economical side in this case : lol

SWIM used to always think 'well great just me then?' when it came to puffing even the tiniest bit of weed. SWIM 'cannot' do cannabinoids and enjoy it, they leave SWIM a heap on the floor and hes been there tons of times. (SWIM actually repeated the unpleasant scenarios as his own (ultra) sensitivity somewhat amazed him. He hoped to force a tolerance so he could at least 'experience' cannabis) A few tokes of a J however and SWIM finds himself a horrible, low-med salvia type head space hes trapped in for hours.

He always feels like hes on the verge of a fit for some reason? he becomes overwhelmed by otherwise normal stimuli, for e.g the ambience from a TV would bombard him he starts feeling literally everything is too much. Weird eh? It is not a paranoia, SWIM wouldn't hesitate to admit that, it just seems to act so weirdly upon him despite sensible dosing. He's guessing its due to an autoimmune response but he'll never really know I guess

I'm sure SWIY will still be cautious regarding his methylone dosage, never safe. SWIM likes to relax and enjoy his purchase. Never mind sh!ting ya pants, the sweaty hands and bulldog chewing a wasp facial expressions all the lasses wanna dive on him for

SWIY might laugh at this, but also consider your state of mind before dosing. Very high expectations, anticipation etc dont help much. Go with the flow
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Old 12-04-2010, 11:47
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Re: Methylone dose

A normal dose is really subjective, it will be different for each person, and many factors can influence how responsive a person is to the drug. Body mass, metabolic rate, tolerance, medical conditions, etc....
Method of ingestion will also affect the required dosage, as a consequence of the absorption rates, and the purity of the substance.

In The Devil's experience, Methylone effects will vary according to method of ingestion. To snort Methylone is less interesting than to take it orally.
Why? Because of the fast absorption when snorted, (the chemical will enter the blood stream prior to pass by the liver first) so the effects will take less time to come-up but will be short living. So swiy will feel good for an hour and feel tired quickly, the problem with this, is that swiy will try to re-dose to prolong the experience.
When taken orally, Methylone will pass by the liver, it will take longer to come-up but the experience will be more intense and much longer. So this remain the best option.
Another thing when snorted, Methylone can burn swiy's nose a little and have some unpleasant feelings when the chemical doesn't dissolve in the nose and ends up down the throat and testes very bitter.

400mg in one go is a very very strong dose, this will not bring some good and pleasant effects like desired (euphoria and entactogen) but speed like effects, which is not very interesting with Methylone.

So, start with a parachute 150 to 180mg maximum and swiy can re-dose only once with the same dose 3 hours later. Re-dosing after the second parachute will only bring some little speedy effects, prolonging a little interesting state, with the risk to be very tired and to have a difficult come down. Some people can't sleep after larger doses so be careful.

The key is to be sensible with Methylone, and swiy will found a perfect set and setting after several experiences.
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Re: Methylone dose

SWIM tried methylone for the first time last weekend. SWIM bought 1g pure and divided it equally into 5 bombs. SWIM bombed the first and when it kicked in it did nicely but not overwhelmingly. SWIM waited a half hour after he was up, then swallowed the second. SWIM then gave away 2 bombs to a friend as he felt the remaining bomb on top of the two already ingested would be enough for the night.

Great stuff in swim's opinion. Feelings of empathy like MDMA and unlike mephedrone, without bad comedown or hangover effects swims gets from ecstasy pills. Another difference SWIM found between it and MDMA was it didn't boost SWIM's energy levels like MDMA as swim was stuck to the couch the whole night.
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Re: Methylone dose

does swim take ssris?
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Re: Methylone dose

Mr. Hamster tried around 125mg of methylone and reported very interesting stimulation. Feelings of love, peace and unity as well as touch as very pleasurable sensation. Mr. Hamster reported also increased sexual desire with extended lasting in bed (feels like will never cum...)
In addition Mr. Hamster noticed that he like to hug his gf much more than usually. As well as kiss.
Mr. Hamster didnt eat anything, but felt like drinking a lot of water is a must. Music didnt sound any better, but a little bit worst.
Mr. Hamster reported euphoric feeling for up to 2 hours, and stimulation for over 5 hours which gave him difficulty sleeping.
Mr. Hamster enjoyed methylone and seemed like it cured significantly his social phobia. He seems more open to the people, even 2 days later. Mr. Hamster reports that previous anxiety is gone in significant part, but he still have some.
According to Mr. Hamster he is planning to limit his next therapy to around 75mg of methylone (mostly due to small quantity he has).

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