Effects - Mushrooms vs. LSD

[graffixak]

Tolerance with mushies does seem to increase rapidly; the question is, how much is body tolerance and how much is mental tolerance? One might suspect it is all body, but some have reported that it only takes about a week to reduce that tolerance; however, just like riding the same rollercoaster once a week, the mind of a dedicated psychonaut might require more and more stuff to explore those uncharted territories. There are stories of people building themself up to larger and larger doses resulting in more wild rides - by taking a dose each week or two that is just a bit larger than the last one. Yet when desired, they can take a smaller standard dose and have a pleasant ride. It definitely appears that physical tolerance is built quickly, but most people aren't taking them more often than once every week or two.

[dletterman]

SWIM is a big LSD fan but it is currently unavailable to him, would shrooms be a good alternative? what are the differences in the two? thanks

[Nature Boy]

I've recently discovered that shrooms are a great alternative to LSD. I had done shrooms a few times before (liberty caps, they grow naturally here) but with a recent loophole in the law, imported shrooms are being brought in and they're pretty mind blowing. I've done them three times in the past two weeks.

The main difference I noticed between the two, is your emotional and perceptional state. With acid I feel thrown into a world of wild colour and unpredictability. With shrooms, you ride your emotions and you go from absolute euphoria to sheer intensity and beyond. The visualisations aren't as intense but then again, it really depends on the shrooms. Shrooms effects seem a lot more controllable however.

Give them a go. They're their own little crazy world.

[Softrat]

Yes shrooms are a good alternative to Acid. They are different in many ways, but close enough that if you like one your will probably like the other.

[cactus]

IMO shrooms are far superior to lsd. The only thing is they dont last long enough and redosing can make you feel very ill or not have any effect.

[dletterman]

Thanks for the input, SWIM just found a bag of mushies so we'll see how that turns out!

[Pickpoke]

SWIM has tripped on acid before and wants to know what difference if any at all there are between acid and shrooms? she has taken 3 hits at 1 time what would it take for her to trip off shrooms? she was thinking about eating a quarter of shooms for her first time..is that safe for her?? im worried for her.

[Samadhi]

my cat shakes his head... it says to me that LSD and mushrooms being two different substances will have two different kinds of trips. from the frisky felines experience LSD tends to feel more metallic and the visuals are very much stronger than those of mushrooms. Mushrooms depending on the dose are a good starter for one looking to get into the world of hallucinogens. My cat says let your friend go and do what she wishes and if you're worried about a bad trip come with her and help keep her in this world.

PS. it never hurts to keep some Diazepam (AKA valium) on you to help end a severely bad trip.

[infekt]

I think SWIY should start out an eighth of an ounce. from Swim's experience, Mushrooms have a more of an anxiety factor than acid. A quarter is like jumping in the deep end without knowing how to tread water, in swim's opinion. They are two, totally different experiences.

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good dosage recommendation

[razorwiredildo]

A quarter of mushies is a very high amount for an inexperienced user. Swiy should not go over an eight for the first time, and even then, if she gets freakishly good mushies, it can be more than expected. Swim has seen experienced mushroom trippers freak out on a quarter ounce. Just because mushrooms are natural doesn't mean they can't be more intense than acid.

[chemlove]

In SWIMS early experiences 7 grams was a lot for him, even as a bigger guy. An inexperienced user probably only needs 3.5, If there even in the least bit paranoid or worried about a bad trip they could even hinge on caution and do 2gr, then if not desired effects, then you could do the other 1.5 with in the 90 minute mark. SWIM always told me that with psychedelics its always better to do just a little less then needed, then to take just a tad bit more then you need.

[Richi]

Swim would say start with a few grams. A quarter is a lot, even for someone experienced with LSD.

[readyforthefloor]

SWIM has tried lsd before and is planning to buy 1.5 G of liberty caps this week.
What is the main difference between the two drugs? Many of swims friends say mushrooms are very different but couldnt explain.

[lineartransform]

The classic debate...

To keep it short, they're different. The only real quantifiables would be that LSD lasts longer and tends to produce more stimulation. Mushrooms seem more "dreamy".

Your mileage may vary, as they say.

[Panthers007]

Suffice to say, SWIM will be in familiar territory. Both substances work on the same pathways in the brain.

[Frond]

According to Sir Tokesalot:

It's very difficult to properly summarize the difference since different people get rather different effects from the two drugs. They are, however, as similar in their effects as two structurally dissimilar chemicals can be.

Acid tends to last longer and the experience tends to be more clearheaded and analytical. One doesn't lose his ability to think throughout the experience, though at higher doses there is considerable difficulty understanding basic concepts. The Mushroom (often) takes away one's ability to think during the come-up, which is more dreamy and surreal, and most of the thinking happens on the comedown and right after the bulk of the experience. Acid tends to not have its own overriding character, and generally depends on set and setting for the content of its trip. The Mushroom, on the other hand, tends to have more of a personal character, a "spirit" if you will, and very often ends up in entity contact and a feeling of communion with a higher being, especially at high doses. Acid tends to be more energetic at low doses and is very good for dancing, hiking, and anything physical that doesn't involve danger and doesn't require interaction with the sober philistines. The Mushroom tends to knock one out more, and is better for quiet introspection and appreciation of nature, and other similar things. At higher dosage though both drugs will knock one out quite nicely and send them into a different reality altogether. Lastly, the Mushroom tends to leave one feeling cleansed after the experience and gives one a strong afterglow, while acid generally has a rougher comedown and tends to leave one feeling burned out until they get some sleep - with the next day having an afterglow, or a general feeling of lethargy/depression, depending on how the trip went. Both drugs are very capable of causing lasting changes within the subject, which are generally positive as long as the drugs are used responsibly.

The Good Sir prefers the Mushroom by a fair margin, but it's impossible to predict how different people react to different drugs.

[dutch-marshal]

lsd is an upper and mushy's are more like a downer both give psychedelic effects.
mushi's give more mindfuck then lsd though.. but with different strains that varrys

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mushrooms and acid are not even close to an upper or downer, it all depends on the trip to even try and classify as such

[amadeusstoner]

In swim's experience mushrooms produce a "cleaner" high then lsd, and of course this only has to do with body feel. They definitely feel more natural... lsd has that agitated/excited feeling to it where shrooms not so much. Shrooms have more of a relaxing feel to them.

As far as mental effects go swim would consider them very close if not the same.

[Potter]

The most obvious, mushrooms last between 4-6 hours where LSD can push 8-10. Of course this all depends on dose. Mushrooms are also synergistic with harmala, though this isn't of real importance to a first time user. Well it could be, but best to take things one step at a time.

Nobody and his cult tend to prefer mushrooms in an outdoor setting, LSD indoors, though weather and circumstances are a stronger dictator then the type of sacrament.

[Panthers007]

I should like to point out a famous, and great, activity to engage in while on psychedelics - as we are on the subject of indoor & outdoor settings. This pertaining to what the Shulgin's call a "Museum dose." Museums are wonderous places to explore on a low to moderate dosage of what ever tickles the monkey. This full-functioning dosage is not so much as to send the monkey into outer-space, but firmly planted to enable concentration to be unaffected. This will vary from monk to monk.

This activity was first brought out in the early 1960's - before the laws were passed to make exploration a criminal offense. People soon discovered the amazement of being transported to the person, place, or thing the exhibits guided one toward. With the choises of museums and themes available in a large city like New York or San Francisco, this has been reason for many to make it a weekend - or longer - trip to the city if one lived away from such. This can be a very special and magical journey well worth the trouble to travel.

[thealmassi1]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

I should like to point out a famous, and great, activity to engage in while on psychedelics - as we are on the subject of indoor & outdoor settings. This pertaining to what the Shulgin's call a "Museum dose." Museums are wonderous places to explore on a low to moderate dosage of what ever tickles the monkey. This full-functioning dosage is not so much as to send the monkey into outer-space, but firmly planted to enable concentration to be unaffected. This will vary from monk to monk.

This activity was first brought out in the early 1960's - before the laws were passed to make exploration a criminal offense. People soon discovered the amazement of being transported to the person, place, or thing the exhibits guided one toward. With the choises of museums and themes available in a large city like New York or San Francisco, this has been reason for many to make it a weekend - or longer - trip to the city if one lived away from such. This can be a very special and magical journey well worth the trouble to travel.

Sounds like an amazing idea. How experienced should one be before thinking on embarking on a trip in a museum? Would it be reckless/irresponsible to go on SWIM's second acid trip? Would it be as profound if SWIM took shrooms?

SWIM has taken shrooms 8 or 9 times and is planning on tripping for his first time on acid next month, maybe a few days before xmas (a happy time of year ). He's planning on doing it at his house with 1 other friend.... Any recommendations for settings for a first timer?? Or is SWIM's house a suitable lsd environment?

Thanks

[teddybearpicnics]

Originally Posted by thealmassi1

Sounds like an amazing idea. How experienced should one be before thinking on embarking on a trip in a museum? Would it be reckless/irresponsible to go on SWIM's second acid trip? Would it be as profound if SWIM took shrooms?

SWIM has taken shrooms 8 or 9 times and is planning on tripping for his first time on acid next month, maybe a few days before xmas (a happy time of year ). He's planning on doing it at his house with 1 other friend.... Any recommendations for settings for a first timer?? Or is SWIM's house a suitable lsd environment?

Thanks

Hey thealmassi, how are you? on to your questions. Swim thinks it isn't a matter of experience, but more a matter of self confidence. The most experienced tripper can have a social problem and therefore breakdown in a situation like that. If swiy feel that you can handle it, well then damn it...swiy can! It's all a matter of how strong you are in your head. Sure you might laugh out loud in the middle of 15 quiet people, but then do you get paranoid because you think they know you're tripping...or does swiy hold composure and just laugh even more in their head...get where i'm going? Swim also thinks that it would be just as profound on either mush or l, it's just a personal choice. From swims perspective, it would be more fun on acid, just because acid feels so scientific to himself. as for dose, swim would recommend on mushrooms only a gram and a half or 2 grams, and for acid, 2 hits tops.

as for swiy's first acid trip...does swiy live with parents? if so, imagine your parents coming down while you guys are doing something crazy ::like snowangels in the carpet:: or whatever else you might be doing, that could ruin a trip...Personally, swim likes outdoors when he's tripping, or at a concert. Swim has tripped many many many times so he isn't so ambitious about where and when it is. Swim can save it for the perfect set and setting, although he has tripped at his parents house with one other person, it wasn't his favorite trip by any means...but fun was had nonetheless. other suggestions, make sure you have really good tasting beverages, some GOOD music :if you never heard of ozric tenticles, PM me and i'll send you a link, they are the BEST tripping music:: if you like beer, get beer, i love drinking beer tripping on l. and other than that just have fun!!

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[thealmassi1]

Originally Posted by teddybearpicnics

Hey thealmassi, how are you? on to your questions. Swim thinks it isn't a matter of experience, but more a matter of self confidence. The most experienced tripper can have a social problem and therefore breakdown in a situation like that. If swiy feel that you can handle it, well then damn it...swiy can! It's all a matter of how strong you are in your head. Sure you might laugh out loud in the middle of 15 quiet people, but then do you get paranoid because you think they know you're tripping...or does swiy hold composure and just laugh even more in their head...get where i'm going? Swim also thinks that it would be just as profound on either mush or l, it's just a personal choice. From swims perspective, it would be more fun on acid, just because acid feels so scientific to himself. as for dose, swim would recommend on mushrooms only a gram and a half or 2 grams, and for acid, 2 hits tops.

as for swiy's first acid trip...does swiy live with parents? if so, imagine your parents coming down while you guys are doing something crazy ::like snowangels in the carpet:: or whatever else you might be doing, that could ruin a trip...Personally, swim likes outdoors when he's tripping, or at a concert. Swim has tripped many many many times so he isn't so ambitious about where and when it is. Swim can save it for the perfect set and setting, although he has tripped at his parents house with one other person, it wasn't his favorite trip by any means...but fun was had nonetheless. other suggestions, make sure you have really good tasting beverages, some GOOD music :if you never heard of ozric tenticles, PM me and i'll send you a link, they are the BEST tripping music:: if you like beer, get beer, i love drinking beer tripping on l. and other than that just have fun!!

Thanks, SWIm might do that if he can convince a friend to do it with him because SWIM does gets slightly paranoid when in public, but with each shroom experience, he is able to handle it better and better. He has almost been able to rid it from himself - he did 6g of shrooms with his parents (who are against drugs) in the same room since he came home from a party early one evening b/c of the overwhelming effects of the drug, parents did not find out he was on strong shrooms and he was not paranoid at all (SWIM claimed he was on a little weed to explain some laughing fits and some weird comments he made hehe). But, this sounds like a really good idea. But, for his first LSD trip, it will be taken at his house or a friend's house with some exploration outside despite the cold weather. Probably in a few months he'll venture into the world of art and historical artifacts while under the influence of psychedelics... Can't wait

[Waffa]

Originally Posted by Panthers007

This pertaining to what the Shulgin's call a "Museum dose." Museums are wonderous places to explore on a low to moderate dosage of what ever tickles the monkey. This full-functioning dosage is not so much as to send the monkey into outer-space, but firmly planted to enable concentration to be unaffected. This will vary from monk to monk.

This is so true, Pinocchio went in Amsterdam to the Sex Museum .. he thought he was in sex orgy and had good match whit some of the mannequin's there... he still remember this one - does not mater this was long long time ago.

[Potter]

Nobody can highly reccomend the Museum Dose, just make sure you go somewhere nice. Few years ago a visit to the Buffalo Museum of Science had it;s moments, but it was sad to see so little of what i remember from my childhood, many halls shut down and emptied, a gorgeous planetarium/space exhibit in shambles, knowing how much was in storage, the sadness wasn't helped by the sacraments. On the other hand, a world class art gallery can be utterly delightful, especially if it has a room made of nothing but mirrors. Not kidding, even furniture, floor, ceiling.

Remember not to touch things! It can be tempting, but you can get in a lot of trouble. Had an ex who couldn't understand this, nearly got thrown out of the museum multiple times, she was sober too. Of course there are plenty of places with wondrous hands on exhibits these days. If you're with friends, try not to yell for each other, it's kind of frowned upon and can attract undue attention.

If the enhancing substance makes you prone to nausea, get that out of the way before entering the museum. Finding a bathroom isn't always easy and you DO NOT WANT to be the guy who blew chunks on a priceless artifact. Ginger is a good preemptive, even if no trouble is expected.

Headphones can help, especially if your alone. Nobody prefers to be doing this in off hours and the silent caverns can be overwhelming as much as the constant mumbling of idiots. Oh yeah, try to remain calm in the presence of creationists, not the best place to argue.

Bring a notebook, or even a little recording device, both can be fun. Nobody will be bothered if you just sit down somewhere for a while. As long as your quiet and don't fall asleep, you'll be left alone.

Been a while. Much thanks for the memories and inspiring current plans.

Good times to be had by all!

Love.