DEJA VU & MIND READING

[graccus]

How does one explain a "deja vu" experience which was as clear as
normal experience but in a very strange context. As a psychonaut friend
was handing me the free base pipe containing my first DMT pellet and
BEFORE I put it to my lips I was leaped through time and was
REMEMBERING this very strange first DMT journey and was commenting
to myself that it was great but this happened a long time ago and what
are these people, my friends, doing in this place. I almost handed it back
before smoking it and said "thanks, that was great."However, I took it
and took my two draws and was blasted into the 17th dimension beyond
these 4 we normally inhabit and then back in the next 5 minutes.And
then thinking that was as good as the first time which of course was the
exact same event as what I had just experienced, but which had already
been remembered.Sorry for these obscure lines but tricky to describe in
normal temporal context.All quite strange but very clear butthe
actual DMT event was remembered and THEN experienced.Of course,
this was the day after the Telluride Mushroom Festival where I was
hanging with folks like Metzner and Trout.
This year I had just experienced one of my most intense ayahuasca
journeys since, because, the first dose hadn't taken, I was given a second
cup. The entire night was seriously intense, quite enjoyable but
extrememely educational in the plant medicine ways. Since I was
returning the next day to a conference with native American elders,
philosophers, linguists and quantum physicists I asked the plant teacher
how I should present myself back there and her reaction was with her
"tykes" (in McKenna sense of "tykes") was to scrub and shine my face for
at least an hour. Very sweet.
Two days later at this conference I was waiting to say my piece
and thinking intensely about something a native woman had said, when
the person speaking leans over to me and says "thank you, graccus, for
that thought" and proceeds to exactly repeat my thoughts. The most
lucent example of having my mind read I have ever experienced. At the
end of that session I was about to ask her what she had done, how, why,
etc. but snapped, no, that what had just happened had taken place in
some other dimension and that by asking my "left-brained" got to know
questions I would be dragging it "down, back, out of its specialness."I
never did say anything about it to her.Maybe someday, but she lives
800 miles from here.
Comments please.....interesting aspect is the occurence of so-
called "mystical experiences" outside but close (before and then, after) to
DMT experiences.I pretty much insist on pretty clear emotionally and
mentally before doing either ayahuasca or the DMT.Even worked with a
"Jungian/Buddhist" psychotherapist for six months before going to the
Amazon for a serious plant-medicine exploration venture.A fair witness
outside the psychonautic world.

[Solidly-here]

Once you get to the 17th Dimension, odd things happen.


I've read your Post over a couple times. What (exactly) do you want Comments about?


And, your Strindberg quote: Do you, yourself, Hate dog owners too?

[graccus]

Actually I love dogs and dog owners. Also love crusty old writers like
Strindberg with both a sense of humor and the added perspective their
comments bring to subjects that some folks find a bit dear. Have totally
depended on sled dogs (and dog owners) while in Alaska where some of
the owners were often more likely to bite you than the dogs were.
About my post, I would appreciate perspective from similar
experiences and how folks interpret those experiences. Similar
experiences "under the influence" are interesting but, to me, not as
interesting as those "outside" that "realm." The next day after this
posting an email with this article arrived.Stuff I knew but some excellent
perspective.There are some interesting physiological explanations for
"deja vu" which may work for this experience and others that folks have.
Point is... why right before the DMT?
Regards&nbsp ;
The article is at:ayahuasca.com/cgi-bin/viewdocument.pl?r owid=24

[korky8097]

many scientists believe deja vu is caused by your brain storing
something in your long term memory at the time of the incident rather
that the short term, so it feels like you have seen that event
before. Cannot say this is true or not but it makes sense, i have
had some pretty weird dreams where i see a future event that actually
takes place when i am awake some time after the dream, its
strange. Nothing really significant, just like one situation in a
dream will bring me to the the same situation in real life. Such
as dreaming about driving on a certain street by a certain soccer feild
talking about the same thing as in the dream, an exact image
sometimes. Maybe im just losing my mind, who knows.

[NeedleInTheHay]

I discovered long ago that what i personally felt as "deja-vu" was the
memory of a dream involving the exact same circumstances/settings,
people, sounds, etc. I realized this after i began writing down
what dreams i remembered in order to try to gain some personal insight
on my subconcious mind. I keep a sketch pad and pen right next to
my bed and as soon as i wake i write down everything i can remember
with as much detail as possible, often sketching that which words
cannot effectively describe. One day not long after i began this
practice i was riding shotgun in a friends truck on a beautiful autumn
day with the windows rolled down just chatting. We passed an enormous
ancient red barn when "that feeling" suddenly washed over me. My friend
had one of his old notebooks under the seat, so i wrote down everything
that happened until the feeling went away, which was actually only
about a minute later. When we got to my house later that evening,
i checked my dream book for something similar and was completely
freaked out when i found a nearly identical description to the one i
had just written in my friends notebook. I showed him and he was
equally, if not more, stunned. This has happened quite often
since, and it seems to be developing (as in, the actual occurances are
lasting longer and that "just-out-of-reach" feeling in my head seems to
be getting closer....)



Anyone have anything similar? If not, and you do have "deja-vu",
start writing down your dreams....maybe it's not just me...that would
be VERY interesting...
Edited by: NeedleInTheHay

[BluntSkunk]

Interesting reading thank you i will try and write down my dreams, do u rememer them more? do u have many lucid dreams?

[korky8097]

writing down dreams is kind of a way for you to tell you brain
not to do its little "forget the dream ASAP" thing it does usually.
Your brain figures out that you are wanting to remember this
information, thus making you more aware of your dreams and in turn,
more aware IN your dreams. Soemthing like that. If you are
wanting lucid dreams, another good idea ive found is to buy a digital
watch or have a digital clock near you most of the day. Get in
the habit of looking at your watch and thinking in your head the number
in reads, then close your eyes for a second or 2 and think of what you
just saw, then open them and see if the watch has the same
numbers. If your watch reads something different or has weird
symbols on it, youre dreaming! THat or the drugs you do are
catching up to you.

[Montgolfier]

Once while traveling in south Africa I had repetitive DeJa-Vu for over two days. Literally every two minutes I got that 'been here before' feeling. The first day was really interesting but by the third day (before it wore off) it was absolutely horrendous. I couldnt work out why I was experiencing it all the time, and thought at one point that I would be stuck like that forever. Usaully deja-vu is very infrequent and thus enjoyable, if you are unfortunate to get caught with a long spell of it you soon realise it seems more like mental disfunction. (which perhaps it is)