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Old 25-02-2010, 16:57
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Views On Over The Counter Highs

Many people look down upon OTC drug use. Some think it is foolish to get high on anything you can get from the supermarket. Others look past the fact that they are not "real", or "street drugs and enjoy the experiences that those substances produce. I'd like to here your opinions on OTC highs.

This includes:

DXM (Robitussin,Delsym,etc.)
Diphenhydramine (Benadryl, Unisom, etc.)
Dimenhydrinate (Dramamine, Gravol, etc.)
Ephedrine (sold as asthma medication)
L-desoxyephedrine & Propylhexedrine (Vicks and Benzedrex Vapor Inhalers)
Epinephrine (OTC asthma inhaler)
Poppy Seeds
Nutmeg
Morning Glory Seeds (LSA)
Whip-Its
Duster

(this excludes alchohol and i guess you can include caffiene pills if you want)

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Old 25-02-2010, 17:21
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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Old 25-02-2010, 18:03
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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First I'd like to point at that this method of getting intoxicated is petty and is perhaps more dangerous than any of the others mentioned on your list.

SWIM thinks too many people underestimate the power of OTC's. While DXM is SWIM's drug of choice, he has tried and researched many of these and it's ironic that people actually believe they're safe recreationally because they're safe when used as directed.

When I think of how many illegal drugs there are today and how many of them back in the day were legal because they were "safe," I shudder.
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Old 25-02-2010, 18:10
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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Propylhexedrine (Benzedrex Vapor Inhalers)


The negative (and long-lasting) cardiovascular implications greatly outweigh any positive effects.Probably the "strongest" OTC "high" available besides DXM.

If one must use this drug proceed with caution. Lower dosages, e.g. half the cotton rod, may be best suited for first timers (AND SWIM means this in the sense of protecting SWIY's heart/cardiovascular function) . Also SWIM has found as little as 1/4th a cotton rod effective.

Use with extreme caution.

Also, MANY people describe this "dirty feeling" kind of hangover that can last up to two days following the experience. In other terms feeling like shit As mentioned before SWIM particularly dislikes (and most concerning) the effects on blood-pressure/heart-rate, two things people probably shouldn't mess around with.

Bottom line... Potentially very dangerous stuff...

After extensive experience (15+ inhalers) in a short time he has no desire to repeat any experiences. Far too taxing on physical health and simply not worth the short lived "high" and accompanying long lasting hangover.


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Old 25-02-2010, 18:22
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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First I'd like to point at that this method of getting intoxicated is petty and is perhaps more dangerous than any of the others mentioned on your list.

SWIM thinks too many people underestimate the power of OTC's. While DXM is SWIM's drug of choice, he has tried and researched many of these and it's ironic that people actually believe they're safe recreationally because they're safe when used as directed.

When I think of how many illegal drugs there are today and how many of them back in the day were legal because they were "safe," I shudder.
Okay, given tlhat SWIY's post is relating to "dusters", oh gawd yes. SWIM isn't sure about petty but dusters (as with all solvents) are horrendously dangerous.

In reference to the OP, dusters have a similar high to "propellant" (the mix of inhalants used in aerosols), a bit more euphoric and sociable than petrol (very dark and dirty.. came with a bit of paranoia but then a friend of SWIY's was suggesting she might explode if she smoked a cigarette.... wanker! ><) and a lot dirtier than pure butane which came with a very euphoric and hallucinogenic rush for, say... 5 minutes.

Anyway, dusters are potentially lethal and only moderately recreational. In all seriousness, it ain't worth it!


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DXM (Robitussin,Delsym,etc.)
Diphenhydramine (Benadryl, Unisom, etc.)
Dimenhydrinate (Dramamine, Gravol, etc.)
Ephedrine (sold as asthma medication)
L-desoxyephedrine & Propylhexedrine (Vicks and Benzedrex Vapor Inhalers)
Epinephrine (OTC asthma inhaler)
Poppy Seeds
Nutmeg
Morning Glory Seeds (LSA)
Whip-Its
Duster
Diph.: not touched, though tropane alkaloids (which are virtually identical) are dirty and masochistic.

Epinephrine; filthy, dirty, "more-ish" crap, which made SWIM take over 20g of paracetamol in one evening! >< Not a good idea... it had all the addictive-quality of meth, without the rush...

Nutmeg: SWIM only enjoyed nutmeg as a means of self-flagellation. There is a dosage-range of roughly 1g which would equate to recreational. Lower is non-existant, higher is miserable-overdose-effects! SWIM had a bit of "fun" for a few years but not recommended.

LSA-containing seeds: Interesting... SWIM took a tiny dose of morning glory ontop of SSRIs... baaad plan. She experienced a 10 hour LSD-experience with a substantial level of body-load... on a minute dose of seeds. If one enjoys LSD and is not taking SSRIs or SNRIs then, by all means, one will love it.

Poppy seeds: Is SWIY really suicidal?! Seeds are horrendously variable in alkaloid levels...

Nitrous: Giggles! Hell, think hard though, inhalants are always worth considering seriously...

Duster: As above... and the rest. SWIM had one hell of a time on inhalants for a few years, but she dodged a bullet (in that she didn't kill herself!). Really, think hard hun.

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Old 25-02-2010, 18:47
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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Poppy seeds: Is SWIY really suicidal?! Seeds are horrendously variable in alkaloid levels...
Yes very good point. Screw the seeds. SWIM feels the need to emphasize SWIY's point.

A family created a website dedicated to their lost son who died making a seed tea.

As mentioned the problem is with dosage unpredictable alkaloid content. Search something like "poppy seed tea death" via google if interested in the family's story of how they lost their son.

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Old 25-02-2010, 20:37
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

What is a duster?

On an international forum, we get members from across the globe and many are unfamiliar with slang.
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

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What is a duster?

On an international forum, we get members from across the globe and many are unfamiliar with slang.

Here is best explanation SWIM could find. Different companies use different stuff.

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Computer duster is the term used for products sold in cans that expel a gas when the trigger is pressed. They are also called "canned air" sometimes, but the point of the product is to dust-off sensitive electronics without touching them.
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The gas that comes out of them is neither Oxygen nor Nitrous oxide. It is usually a fluorenated low weight hydrocarbon, such as tetrafluorethane, chlorodiflouromethane or another similar gas. What they're looking for is a material which is a liquid when pressurized (at room temperature) but which is a gas when not pressurized. Because it is not intended for human consumption, there is no consistency to what is used by different companies, as long as the gas pressurizes in a cannister well enough to create the blowing effect that the product is sold for.

The confusion may arise because the propellant used to pressurize whip-cream cans sold at grocery stores is Nitrous Oxide, but we do not believe that any computer duster products contain Nitrous Oxide.

The effects of inhaling these light weight hydrocarbons sold in duster products are a combination of direct action and oxygen deprivation. They include giggling, tunnel vision, reduced coordination, blacking out, etc.

Just as with the Nitrous Oxide in "whippets", if you breathe something like computer duster straight, you are both depriving yourself of oxygen and exposing yourself to the chemical. While (medical grade) nitrous has been tested and approved for use in humans, the chemicals in computer duster have not, and especially not for repetitive use. Both research and anecdotal evidence suggest that repetitive use can cause brain and other neurological damage.


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Old 25-02-2010, 22:57
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

Like the source ubeRAGEous mentioned, it is a chemical similar to but far more dangerous than Nitrous Oxide present in pressurized keyboard-cleaners. SWIM has inhaled it before (like an idiot, before researching it), and of course it was fun to do. It lasted only a few seconds though, so SWIM can understand why some people would want to do it repetitively.

However, the gas inside the canister is pressurized and super-cooled. When it is inhaled, apparently what happens is it quickly expands inside the body and slows/blocks bloodflow to the brain. This is essentially what causes the "high." This can and has killed people so SWIM strongly disapproves of this be done recreationally.

A 10-second high isn't worth anyone's life.
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SWIM wants to puke whenever exposed to any menthol containing OTC elixir and is too lazy to extract pure DXM (strange that the bitterness of pills is not all that bad to SWIM). A sea monkey could not mask the taste of the poppy brew no matter what chaser, sweetner, or sour added so this was discarded - what was consumed caused zero effect. Dimenhydrinate caused insane hallucinations - Ryu and Ken from Street Fighter II were battling it out throughout the city for about 6 hours. Interesting but did not find any euphoric value other than bizarre sights. Not to mention the nasty chemical feeling hang-over the following day.

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Nutmeg: SWIM only enjoyed nutmeg as a means of self-flagellation. There is a dosage-range of roughly 1g which would equate to recreational. Lower is non-existant, higher is miserable-overdose-effects! SWIM had a bit of "fun" for a few years but not recommended.
??? I always thought the nutmeg thing was an urban myth, like the banana skin one.
How is nutmeg administered? Orally or smoked or what?
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Old 02-03-2010, 21:05
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??? I always thought the nutmeg thing was an urban myth, like the banana skin one.
How is nutmeg administered? Orally or smoked or what?

Here this should help SWIY understand.

nutmeg_article1.shtml


Detailed article all about it.

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Old 02-03-2010, 22:21
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Here this should help SWIY understand.
nutmeg_article1.
Detailed article all about it.
Wow, that was a real surprise. I genuinely always dismissed any rumours I heard about a nutmeg high as being urban myth.
Looks interesting, but not something to be tried on a whim considering that baseline doesn't return for over 24 hours.
SWIM will certainly have to try it sooner rather than later though, just so he can tell his friends!

Is using the SWIM acronym a bit excessive when speaking about nutmeg? SWIM thinks it is.
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Wow, that was a real surprise. I genuinely always dismissed any rumours I heard about a nutmeg high as being urban myth.
Looks interesting, but not something to be tried on a whim considering that baseline doesn't return for over 24 hours.
SWIM will certainly have to try it sooner rather than later though, just so he can tell his friends!

Is using the SWIM acronym a bit excessive when speaking about nutmeg? SWIM thinks it is.
Swim recalls that Violets and purple used to really stand out on Nutmeg, but the effects on his-her stomach prohibited it frequent use. Swim also used to smoke cloves and certainly got an effect from them, Swim quickly knocked that on the head as it was clearly very bad for his-her lungs.
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Old 02-03-2010, 22:52
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Otc highs: swims preference to dealing with dealers who know less about there products than swim did at age 15. Tried em all and here the low down.
Dxm is a potentially great high that can easily be obtained and is relitively safe. Some dont like it. Swim does, but doesnt do it anymore due to his backing away from drugs of that intensity

poppy seeds. Swim long time fav. Pm mr for tek on how to make tea. This is far less safe than dxm because the alkaloid content is unknown. Many users (especially those who dont have acess to much) prefer this to pharmaceuticals based on pice and ease to obtain

n2o another great high... If one has self control. One whipit feels great but 60 whipits later most are not feeling so hot. The hangover from a massive n2o binge can last a log time too. Funny since the drug last secconds

lsa seeds. Great high, horrible taste and side effects. Many find its not worth the effort. Swim enjoys it but hasnt used itin years

nutmeg. Decent buzz but taste like ass and lasts for ever. Has some familiar effects and some bizzare ones. Worth atleast 1 shot before you call it quits on drugs

inhalebts. Dont do it unless they are reagent or labratory grade. Most shit feom the hardware store is to impure. Swim prefers chloroform, toulene, and ether althou doest reccoment these to anyone

ephedrine. Terribke for getting high great for medicine. Take as directed and you will mosy def feel good, assuming you have cold like symptoms

propylhexedrine. Some like it some dont, usually those wjo say the peripheral effects are too strong are taking too much. Start with a half or a 3rd of an inhaler and work up. Used to be swims fav upper but its gotten too expensive and uncommon rounf his parts.

Anti-histamines. (dipehnhydramine, loratidine ect) some like this drug for the 'trip'. Swim isnt one of them. He finds them only recreational when taken as directed on opiates or kratom to relieve itches. Rumor has it that this works with dxm too

there are a few others but in general if they wotk they fall into antoher category like ethobotanicals or research chems

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Yes very good point. Screw the seeds. SWIM feels the need to emphasize SWIY's point.

A family created a website dedicated to their lost son who died making a seed tea.

As mentioned the problem is with dosage unpredictable alkaloid content. Search something like "poppy seed tea death" via google if interested in the family's story of how they lost their son.
SamuraiGecko discusses massive issues with the PST kills site, such as the fact that the kid was on a number of sedative prescriptions, take a look at the coroner's report from that site and it becomes rather clear the OD was purposeful.

Frankly PST is delightful, if a bit sickening and not TERRIBLY potent, and is quite good as far as easily obtainable drugs go.

DXM isn't for everyone, but for those who like it, they REALLY LIKE it. It has far more potential and use then many give it credit for.

LSA - Good for sitting, not so much for adventure, though an afternoon in the sun can be greatly enhanced with a little LSA. experimenting with admixtures can be very benefiscial in countering the side effects, Caffeine and Ginger are perfect to mix in to a gelcap.

Anti-histamines Way to toxic, too many side effect, experiences are rarely remembered.

Inhalants and solvents - Just plain stupid

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The negative (and long-lasting) cardiovascular implications greatly outweigh any positive effects.Probably the "strongest" OTC "high" available besides DXM.

If one must use this drug proceed with caution. Lower dosages, e.g. half the cotton rod, may be best suited for first timers (AND SWIM means this in the sense of protecting SWIY's heart/cardiovascular function) . Also SWIM has found as little as 1/4th a cotton rod effective.

Use with extreme caution.

Also, MANY people describe this "dirty feeling" kind of hangover that can last up to two days following the experience. In other terms feeling like shit As mentioned before SWIM particularly dislikes (and most concerning) the effects on blood-pressure/heart-rate, two things people probably shouldn't mess around with.

Bottom line... Potentially very dangerous stuff...

After extensive experience (15+ inhalers) in a short time he has no desire to repeat any experiences. Far too taxing on physical health and simply not worth the short lived "high" and accompanying long lasting hangover.
SWIM has had drastically different experiences with Propylhexedrine / Benedrex. In SWIM opinion it is by far the best OTC drug out there. SWIM likens it to the end half of an ecstasy trip.

Extraction is very important though otherwise the body load is heavy. All it takes is some lemon juice and lighter fluid, it's not that hard.

Anyways, great OTC drug. Definitely a step above DXM.
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Old 08-03-2010, 16:15
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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

A side note on the poppy sead tea death site.

First as pointed out, he was on sedatives (benzodiazepines) which are known to lower OD threshold when combined with other drugs
he was using 3.5 lbs which is a massive dose for anyone but especially for a 17 y/o kid. He had done this before and his parents were aware of it, they must have seen him get super trasyed off this stuff. When he passed out they probably didnt think anything of it till it was too late.

As to ppx, this is only from limited experience, it seems that a low dose is suficient but upping the dose decreases the positive effects. It shortens the high, lengthens the comedown and increases the side effects without adding hardly any euphoria
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SWIM wants to puke whenever exposed to any menthol containing OTC elixir and is too lazy to extract pure DXM (strange that the bitterness of pills is not all that bad to SWIM). A sea monkey could not mask the taste of the poppy brew no matter what chaser, sweetner, or sour added so this was discarded - what was consumed caused zero effect. Dimenhydrinate caused insane hallucinations - Ryu and Ken from Street Fighter II were battling it out throughout the city for about 6 hours. Interesting but did not find any euphoric value other than bizarre sights. Not to mention the nasty chemical feeling hang-over the following day.
woah. that sounds cool. the same hallucination was going on for six hours?

boinghd added 3 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

Swim has only ever hallucinated on 400mg diphen once when he saw a tiger morph into a penguin and then a cat; all while he was walking in the street. Can swiy reccomend a threshold dose for someone of 160 pounds (considering a mid to high tolerance)?

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My experiences with diphenhydramine (Benadryl) come from daily use of recommended doses of between 50-100mg for insomnia. Long story short I have been an insomniac since childhood an have seen several doctors concerning my problems sleeping. Because of my age every doctor I saw was hesitant to prescribe me benzos or z-drugs for my insomnia but rather instructed me to use diphenhydramine a couple of hours before bed every night. This worked pretty well (minus the hangover effects I often felt). But fast forward nearly 2 years of daily use and I begin having complications with my urinary system; I don't want to go into too much detail to spare you but needless to say a very painful and traumatic experience. After seeing a urologist he determined I had a series of kidney stones (keep in mind I am still in my teenage years) and possibly other complications. I'm still going through the process, I have a CT scan of my urinary tract next week. Finally after all these years I find out from the urologist that DPH has side effects causing urinary problems as well as sometimes enlarging the prostate! Needless to say I have stopped my DPH use and several of my symptoms have disappeared but some are still lingering. Be careful when using OTC drugs - just because they are legal doesn't mean they are any safer than illicit drugs.

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Re: Views On Over The Counter Highs

DXM: I've read that the effects are similar to PCP and that one needs to be careful when taking robutussin since the guaifenesin will produce horrible nausea (a friend found that out the hard way)

Nutmeg: After a few unsuccessful attempts SWIM has found that eating 3 ground nutmegs feels just like smoking a bowl. He didnt get the munchies but about 4 hours after ingesting it SWIM had what felt like a strong marijuana buzz and eyes the color of tomatoes. It probably wont be the same for everyone since he read that the effects vary greatly, can hit you at a random time and can last for up to 2 days.

N2O: the only propellant SWIM will ever inhale since it is actually a medical grade anesthetic and has legitimate uses

Inhalants: the "high" you get from these comes from a lack of oxygen to the brain as the heavier gas fills your lungs and pushes out all the oxygen. Brain damage is caused by a lack of oxygen which is why many victims of cardiac arrest (also a side effect of huffing) suffer from neurological impairment. A short high is not worth living the rest of your life as mentally handicapped, if you even still have one.
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OTC vs prescription, controlled or non-controlled, legal classifications of drugs mean very little; they're barely based on science at all. That list of available substances is an excellent example. If legal status were based on the potential danger from an overdose, many OTC drugs--and ethanol--would be controlled substances and marijuana would be available at the supermarket.
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Nitrous and DXM are the only two on those list that I would take even if I had access to all the other drugs I want.

LSA is ok, but nothing even close to a real psychedelic IMO

The rest on the list are garbage.
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AFOAF uses ONLY otc products (poppy pods, opiate pharmacuticals) and RCs, she loves not having to deal with drug dealers who cut drugs with god knows what, or suddenly run dry and cant supply you..

AFOAF has all of her drug needs catered to, opiates for downers (she has extracted morphine from poppy tea aswell as making cooked flake opium, or extracted codeine or dyhydrocodeine from pharmacuticals) and RCs for uppers/dissociatives/psychadelics... its a good system

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Meh. I don't know why people view OTC drugs the way they do. Lack of "street cred" maybe? I don't see how it is more foolish to use a medication or substance that you purchased legally vs a street drug that may contain any variety of adulterants not to mention the violence often associated with getting the end product to you (not judging the use of street drugs in any way, just pointing that out for comparison). That's like saying it was foolish to use cocaine before 1970 but not after; or that it is more foolish to use cannabis purchased with a membership card from a dispensary. We live in a society where most psychoactive substances have been and are continuing to be banned because we can't be trusted to make decisions about our own lives and what to put in our bodies. I find that incredibly insulting and sad not to mention ineffective if the intention is to keep people from using them.
Many people use OTCs foolishly due to ignorance, youth, desperation or some combination of those things and perhaps that is where much of the stigma comes from. Those people ruin it for the rest of us and perpetuate ignorance and myth among the general population.
There are very few OTCs left that are worth using but some are still out there and I judge them based on their effects, not their legality/availability.

My experience with the ones you have mentioned:
DXM - Probably the the most underrated, underestimated, misunderstood, and ridiculed OTC by people who have never tried it. This has given me the most intense profound experience of any drug legal or illegal I have ever tried. I have not used many other dissociatives or psychedelics (due to lack of opportunity, not lack of desire), but I can't imagine much that would alter your perception more other than maybe DMT or Ketamine (possibly Salvia and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few things) but it's right up there with those based on descriptions I have heard from others. DXM is the only one I have person experience with so I can't say for sure and I'm talking about a high plateau trip. I don't really see it as a party drug or social drug in any way and I don't really understand why people would use it at lower doses or more than occasionally. Stupid people need to stop using the wrong kinds or not doing their research beforehand and ending up in the ER, but this goes for most drugs.

Diphenhydramine - Tried this at a "recreational" dose once and there was nothing recreational about it in my opinion. It just made me uncomfortable in my own skin and I suffer from restless legs badly enough on my own. I certainly don't need my whole body to feel that way. Works as a sleep aid sometimes.

Ephedrine - Used to take this when you could buy it cheaply in packets at any convenience store (a LONG time ago). It was good for staying awake, especially when drinking. I have never really enjoyed alcohol by itself, but with Ephedrine, it was more fun. Never really experimented with it beyond that and then you couldn't get it anymore.

Propylhexedrine - Under it's influences as I type this! I took this for the first time tonight and I'm surprised in a good way by how effective it is. It is a valid alternative to other stimulants if you don't mind it's inconveniences. Not to be sniffed at. Ha. Second only to DXM on the list for me or maybe tied at the top (apples and oranges).

Epinephrine - This medication almost killed me once when used for it's intended purpose. I have asthma and my prescription for albuterol had run out and I had no insurance so I used this as a temporary alternative. I had a bad cold at the time and this not only shut my lungs down, but it made the meds and anesthesia that the ER docs used ineffective. I became conscious while being catheterized and intubated which was horrific. I would never touch the stuff again unless I wanted to end up back in the ICU with a machine breathing for me. I can't even imagine using it to get high and I would strongly caution anyone else against using it for any reason at all if they value their life even slightly. I think this is the same med that killed Niki Taylor's (the model) sister Krissy.

Morning Glory - Tried this years ago and it was very weak. I probably didn't do it right or do enough.

Whip-its/Nitrous - I might do this if I were around others doing it, but I wouldn't bother with it on my own. It just doesn't appeal to me enough to seek it out.

Other inhalants - No thanks, asking for trouble. I like my brain too much. I know there is very little evidence that I value it based on the rest of my post, but call me a hypocrite. I did try poppers once but it just gave me a headache.

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