snorting RC’s

[Ninja Master]

ive been seeing alot of posts about people snorting rcs. just a
few words of advice, KEEP THAT SHIT AWAY FROM YOUR NOSE!!!!
eather drop it dry, or mix it with water in a shot glass. read
about snorting 2c-t-7 then think about how well these drugs have been
researched. its your life on the line, do i care about you if you
decide to snort some random RC? whats more personaly valuable
than your life, not some cheap high! random rc in the nose =

[Nagognog2]

But DooooD....99.5% of people are blithering idiots. Factor that into your equation. Now re-phrase.

[RoboCop]

Yes you are right snorting could be quite dangerous expecially any 2c chemical should not be snorted.

On the other hand what about RC's such as 5-meo-dmt? This has been snorted for god knows how long in traditional snuffs. Using the pure chemical just seems to make it more effecient. (If measured very carefully)

What about DPT? This is a cousin of DMT (of course) and I have been reading alot on its insufflation, seems to be a rather effecient way of digestion. DPT has been studied alot more than most RC's. (same with 5-meo-dmt)

Do you believe people that would insufflate one of these two chemicals at carefully measured small doses in a nice setting to be blithering idiots?

(FYI I would not do this nor am I trying to make it seem like snorting any RC is a good idea. I am just trying to descuss this in more detail)Edited by: RoboCop

[dclacomb]

Insufflation is just another delivery method. It may change the
dosage of the drug, but it won't turn a drug deadly in the hands of an educated</span> person.

[Nagognog2]

I know a young woman who snorted a small crystal of 5-Meo-DMT one night at a party. She spent the next hour on the floor of the bathroom howling in agony from the pain it caused her. I guess she was not a Jivaro from the Orinoco Basin of the Amazon headwaters.You decide. Edited by: nagognog2

[VictorBorge]

One should insufflate any research chemical with the utmost caution and
only after weighing it on a high-precision scale, starting with a dose way
below threshold and working up. Just like with oral dosing.

Under these conditions I don't think insufflation is much more dangerous,
except maybe to one's nasal passages. The problem is, most people just
pick an arbitrary dose that "seems right" and rail it. That is how people
end up snorting 30mg of 2C-T-7 and dying.

Personally I find insufflation an inferior method of administration, but it
can be desirable when one just doesn't want the trip to last as long, and/
or one desires a faster onset.

I'm not recommending anyone else do it, but I insufflate 2C-B (usually 3
-7mg) on occasion, and after a lot of experimentation I've found that I
actually prefer 2C-T-7 insufflated vs. oral. The nausea is briefer and the
effects much more pronounced. 10mg of T7 insufflated is A) almost too
much, but B) a lot more enjoyable for me than 30mg orally, which usually
leads to at least an hour hunched over the toilet.

[prospero]

VictorBorge is pretty much spot on. I toosnort chems whenever I can, preferring the faster onset, shorter trip, and of course using less material for a given level of experience. It's really not at all riskyPROVIDED you're very careful with the dose.


Personally I start witha threshold/light dose and work up from there - never had any problems. However there are so many people who lack the patience/intelligence to do this, snort way too much, and end up in serious trouble or dead.

[Sektor]

how bout just adding the chem to say, a cup of coffee? would it fuck the chemical? that way your not harming your lungs/nasal/veins.. suggestions?

[Alfa]

That wouldn't fuck the chemical. In fact caffeine increases the absorbtion of the chemical.

[Pinkavvy]

but the taste is so nasty. bleh ...

As far as snorting rc's, swim has rather enjoyed a sniff of 3mg of 2c-e on occasion for a good fast trip. HOWEVER swim would never recomend to anybody else to do this, as the burn is beyond what anybody could imagine for some rc's. (piperzines anybody?) Also the dose curve is so rapid for many rc's that the average person who "eyeballs" a dose and then cuts it in half to snort could definatley fuck themselves up.

I think if it's a substance you know well, sniffing 1/10th of the oral dose you take is a safe step for the educated user.

what about plugin a substance? even MORE dangerous then snorting it. I've seen stupid kids that hear about my wine enemas stick rum 151 up the butts and be taken to the hospital for alcohol overdose/poison. (also, you think it burns your mouth or nose, put it up your butt and you'll know pain.)




Edited by: pinkavvy

[raven3davis]

After lots of reading about snorting rcs etc, SWIMI decided to snort 4mg of 2c-e and then take an additional 14mg for a total dose of 18mg. It burned so fucking badly. It felt like my face was on fire and my eye turned blood red. I started tripping in a few minutes maybe a + and then slowly it built up to a +++. I actually kinda liked it because when I take the dose all together orally, the come up is so intense that I normally hurl. There was a bit less nausea this way it seemed. It seems to me like snorting tryptamines is much afer than snorting phenethylamines, does anyone agree with me on this. It seems relitively safe to snort DPT, and 5-meo-dmt, but the dose response curve for DPT isnt like that of 2c-e. SWIM is seriously considering snorting some 4-ho-mipt or maybe plugging it to conserve it. Its a great chemical and snorting might be a more effective way to take it. Of course SWIM will start with a smaller dose, but I have read a report of some guy who took a gelcap with 90mg miprocin, then a few hours later snorted 30mg. I mean shit, if he did that I see no problem in snorting ~20-30mg of miprocin, Im sure it would make for a hell of a trip but I dont think it would be near as dangerous as snorting 2c-e. All the bad reports I have read on snorting RCs have involved people either 1. snorting an unknown amount, or 2, snorting the same amount they would take orally. I know its good to try to reduce incidents like this and say its horrible to snort RCs, but i think if you are a knowledgable person who is responsible then you shouldnt have a problem. Just lower the dose and be safe. I will never snort 2c-e again though. The burn was so bad that it made the negative effects outweight the positive, which was only a reduced amount of nausea on the come up. I really dont mind ralphing, Ill take a nice vomiting over that burn any day. So anyone have experience with snorting miprocin??

this is a story told to me by some guy on the side of the street by the way. wierd individual

[cactus]

i quite like 2c-b or 2c-e up the nose, the trip is much nicer and more intence, you can get the same effect from a lower dose.It doesnt really burn that much and only lasts for 5 minutes.


Im still skeptical about the deaths where 2c-t-7 was involved, it was sold in netherlands for years without problem there were only everissues in america.

[Nagognog2]

How do we know that heingested 90mg of mip? Could it have been cut with lactose maybe? We don't know. We DO know that 20mg of mip taken orally is quite enough to elicit the full spectrum of effects for most people. Unless they have developed a whopper of a tolerance. Edited by: nagognog2

[prospero]

As a fan of insufflation I've also looked into snorting the Tryptamines. However after an extensive trawl through the trip reports on ErowidI came to the conclusion that, for whatever reason, most Trytamines don't seem to be any stronger when snorted than when they are eaten (apart from thecouplethat are largely inactived in the gut eg DPT, DMT - and they of course are smokeable).There also doesn't seem to be any difference in duration.


As a result I've never tried snorting the tryptamines. I'd be very interested however if anyone has snorted them, and found results differentfrom what I've just described.


Also it seems quite interesting that of the phenethylamines, snorting generally triples the power (so snort 1/3 the amount to get the same effect), except for MDMA where there seems to be no difference in power, and TMA-2 where there is only a 50% increase in potency.

[Ninja Master]

i personaly will stick to the shot glass. just the idea of
chemicals in the nose isnt a pleasant one. ill agree that the
method of taking the drug does affect the trip overall with duration,
how hard it hits, and how quick it hits. id almost rather plug a
half dose than snort anything. i would prefer to smoke a hit at
any time posible. 2c-e is twice as strong, just a hair shorter in
duration, and hits you in 2 seconds. 2c-t-2 is said to do the
exact same smoked.

[ambrosius]

Stick with a good scale and a shotglass. Gotta keep yourself alive for the next RC, ya know?

[radio879]

One of the few things that i'll snort are the DOx's - *measured
accurately* of course. DOB, DOI, and DOC (I did smoke a tiny bit
of DOC once but next time I trip I plan to snort) all seem to just come
on real fast snorted (about 10 minutes for DOB/DOI) and then last a
shorter duration. Nothing else changes in my experimenting.. dose
doesn't seem to change that much either actually.



What i'd usually do is have x amount - lets just say 50mg here,
dissolved into 5mL's of water, but use one of those real accurate
needle syringes for measuring the water, so 0.1mL = 1mg.



So 1mg is literally like a drop of water, *sniff* - and barely 'burns'
at all unlike the 2c's probably mainly because the dose is so small
(but i really do think the DOx's burn as much for some reason).
Also you can snort like... 0.5mg's at a time, wait... another .5...
etc, til "yer good" and don't have to wait for a come up like orally.



Now DOC.. well that stuff came on within 40 or so minutes orally, not
like DOI which takes like 3 hours, but just to reduce the duration
alone I think i'll be snorting some small drops of water next time
(this weekend hopefully!).



As for anything else... ESPECIALLY the 2c's, I can't stand putting much
of anything up my nose.. possibly a little meth, or other things that
don't burn and aren't a huuuge amount .

[sg43]

SWIM's friend has had problems with snorting 2ce, random nose bleeds ect... he no longer snorts rc's and warns against it.

[kinesis1337]

2mg DOC snorted for a ++++ by a capuchin.

[Toltec]

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[oOflyeyesOo]

Snorting 2c's were pretty bad with swim's experiences but DOC was HORRIBLE, think it was one of his worst burns from snorting.

[sg43]

Not only the pain is horrible, SWIM gets terribly sick to his stomach when he snorts anything, never again for him, and the drip BLEH!

[Gradient]

Hi all,

I'm aware that this thread has gathered some dust since its last activity - last post hasn't been since 2006 - but a few acquaintances have become intrigued with insufflation as a mechanism of delivery to generate a more rapid onset of effects, and would greatly appreciate some honestly informed advice.

OK - so the contents and pH of the stomach contribute to the metabolism of orally ingested compounds. And yes, sublingual methods are clearly effective in rendering the onset more rapid. However, one would expect insufflation to generate a wholly distinct experience from oral or buccal; such rapidly expressed distortions in sensory processing would have to generate a different kind of experience altogether.

The vast majority of discussion on this topic is quite negative (see above), but there are a handful of experiences that stick out as interesting - on this, and other threads. One aspect of the phenethylamine/trypamine experience that is difficult to modulate is the duration of the onset. For most acquaintances, this generally leads to an increased awareness of the peripheral side-effects (smooth-muscle tension, odd digestive effects) before any appreciable psychedelic effects are expressed. Also, the prospect of 'titrating one's dose', by insufflating small amounts at spaced intervals, also provides another mechanism by which one might regulate the expression of effects. The availability of nasal-flushing treatments might present more appealing circumstances, but one has found little to no discussion of such products.

One would be quite grateful if any members could offer positive, well-described (the important info like dose, weight etc...) experiences related to insufflated phenethylamines or tryptamines. One is well aware of the nasty and predictable nasal pain that would result from such a method. That said, are there any compounds that have proven to be consistently tolerable by this route of administration, or should this method be considered altogether poisonous and avoided at all costs?

At the very least, I would be very grateful to be able to point intrigued acquaintances in the direction of any experienced advice.