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Old 21-02-2010, 13:03
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Huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

SWIM wanted some advice. They can take a big hit, but when exhaling usually nothing comes out and no effects are felt. 25% of the time they can blow out a LITTLE smoke, but not even 5% of the hit they got, but they do feel it somewhat then. Obviously they are wasting alot of money.

SWIM said that they exhale completely when its almost time and when the pipe is rolling with vapor as it should they inhale deeply, but slowly. Once they have all they can hold they exhale, they do not hold it in, however they have tried holding it in and got the same result.

Any ideas is much appreciated to them. If it helps at all for comparison SWIM smokes cigarettes.
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Old 21-02-2010, 20:44
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

It is probally cut with msm or something of that nataure. If msm is present it can be detected by holding a lighter right above the purge hole and blowing while melting it down after you have loaded it. If you see a powdery white residue start to form then it's cut.
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Old 22-02-2010, 04:47
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Bad quality drugs or your smoking technique is the only thing it could be.

Try cracking it back first. Search the forum on how to smoke meth.
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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Bad quality drugs or your smoking technique is the only thing it could be.

Try cracking it back first. Search the forum on how to smoke meth.

Its definably technique, as SWIM can let one of his friends thats a "pro" operate the pipe, take a hit and exhale huge clouds, then give SWIM a hit the same size and nothing comes out. Unfortunately SWIMs friend can't identify the problem.

When SWIY takes a hit, do they directly inhale, or suck and then inhale like smoking a cigarette?

SWIM feels dumb, most peoples problems lie in properly melting/cracking/pipe process, and SWIM for some reason can do that perfect but cannot properly inhale it.

Any more tips/help is much appreciated to swim. Sadly, all of the smoking threads are directed at the proper method of creating the vapor, not inhaling it.
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Old 22-02-2010, 19:57
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

inhale but no smoke coming out. wow swiy must have a big lung to contain all the smoke! Or swim when smoke faster blow out the smoke if no than must be something really wrong with swiy smoking technic on pipe
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Old 22-02-2010, 20:24
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

inhale it. A hit should last at least 7-10 seconds exp. You should be hitting the pipe for a good 10 seconds before your lungs run out of room. Gently "roll" the pipe back and forth as you are smoking.

You are smoking out of a standard Speed pipe correct? You know a glass stem with a bubble at the end?

If so, you need to let your dope "crack back" before a attempting to inhale.

There are numerous threads on here how to do it but swim will sum it up.

Put ur shit in the bubble part of the pipe, melt it with very low heat just enough to get all the crystals to melt down and form a sort of puddle in the bubble, once all the speed is melted together take the flame off and let it cool down to room temp. You should be left with one solid mass of crystal in the bubble, it should almost look like a dirty frozen lake in the bottom of ur bowl/bubble. Once its at room temp proceed to hit as normal, Using just enough flame to get it to melt and produce vapor. Start rolling the pipe back and forth as you are smoking it. The idea is to get the little lake in your pipe to start cradling back and forth, this increases surface area of the puddle and creates more smoke.

If this still doesn't work then it has to be bad dope. Smoking meth isn't hard to do, its really easy and works even if you don't know the method above, cracking back your shit will increase the hit size but even without cracking it back you should still get fairly large hits. "Cracking back" is not required when smoking meth.

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Old 22-02-2010, 22:05
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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inhale it. A hit should last at least 7-10 seconds exp. You should be hitting the pipe for a good 10 seconds before your lungs run out of room. Gently "roll" the pipe back and forth as you are smoking.

You are smoking out of a standard Speed pipe correct? You know a glass stem with a bubble at the end?

If so, you need to let your dope "crack back" before a attempting to inhale.

There are numerous threads on here how to do it but swim will sum it up.

Put ur shit in the bubble part of the pipe, melt it with very low heat just enough to get all the crystals to melt down and form a sort of puddle in the bubble, once all the speed is melted together take the flame off and let it cool down to room temp. You should be left with one solid mass of crystal in the bubble, it should almost look like a dirty frozen lake in the bottom of ur bowl/bubble. Once its at room temp proceed to hit as normal, Using just enough flame to get it to melt and produce vapor. Start rolling the pipe back and forth as you are smoking it. The idea is to get the little lake in your pipe to start cradling back and forth, this increases surface area of the puddle and creates more smoke.

If this still doesn't work then it has to be bad dope. Smoking meth isn't hard to do, its really easy and works even if you don't know the method above, cracking back your shit will increase the hit size but even without cracking it back you should still get fairly large hits. "Cracking back" is not required when smoking meth.

Thanks for taking the time to reply. SWIM knows how to handle the bubble pipe and properly melt/crack/vapor the product, and when his friend who has smoked it for years handles the pipe for him while he hits the problem still exists. SWIM's friend will take a hit, blow out a huge cloud.. let it crack and cool, and then operate it for SWIM and the same results happen, so its not a case of bad product.

But I do think from your post SWIM understands the problem, he is possibly inhaling toooo long (about 30+ seconds) would that cause the problem? Yes, SWIM's lung capacity is quite large, or perhaps he is inhaling too slowly.
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Old 23-02-2010, 00:22
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

SWIM thinks SWIYs friend might be holding lighter on it for too long, cause 30+ seconds really is too long. After the crack back light until theres a puddle then twist the pipe back and forth to get the thick smoke rolling, then after about 5 sec. take the flame off and continue to rock the pipe back and forth until SWIYs friend cant inhale anymore then hold smoke in for a few seconds and exhale. This should give SWIYs friend a massive cloud, it works for SWIM everytime regardless of the quality of dope.
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Old 23-02-2010, 01:57
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Hmm.... The only other thing it could be is you are holding it in for too long. If its getting you high SWIM would just leave it alone and accept your lungs are fuckin freaky.

Try hitting it nice and strong for a ghood 10 seconds and try applying more heat. Maybe you are taking "Apply minimal heat" a wee bit too seriously? You don't want it to burn but maybe putting the lighter closer to the bowl and taking a more powerful but shorter hit might work.

Good luck.
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Old 26-02-2010, 16:22
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Same thing is happening, & than afterwards its white not clear when dried in the pipe, why?
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Isopropylbenzylamine



Shit looks like meth, but indeed has differences. Shards are not clear and not made in the same way. They should explode into powder with ease in your fingers as to where meth is made (most times) with the air in the recrystallized environment being very low.

Also slightly toxic and leaves a residue in mouth and lungs.
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Old 01-03-2010, 07:25
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

so is it ok to do still or no
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Eat or rectal administration would be best if your dragon needs to be high

DaRu4164 added 8 Minutes and 3 Seconds later...

Reason being: This was not made to be smoked. It's a precursor for a lot of things as that structure is very common in pharmaceuticals and even rock making.

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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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inhale it. A hit should last at least 7-10 seconds exp. You should be hitting the pipe for a good 10 seconds before your lungs run out of room. Gently "roll" the pipe back and forth as you are smoking.

You are smoking out of a standard Speed pipe correct? You know a glass stem with a bubble at the end?

If so, you need to let your dope "crack back" before a attempting to inhale.

There are numerous threads on here how to do it but swim will sum it up.

Put ur shit in the bubble part of the pipe, melt it with very low heat just enough to get all the crystals to melt down and form a sort of puddle in the bubble, once all the speed is melted together take the flame off and let it cool down to room temp. You should be left with one solid mass of crystal in the bubble, it should almost look like a dirty frozen lake in the bottom of ur bowl/bubble. Once its at room temp proceed to hit as normal, Using just enough flame to get it to melt and produce vapor. Start rolling the pipe back and forth as you are smoking it. The idea is to get the little lake in your pipe to start cradling back and forth, this increases surface area of the puddle and creates more smoke.

If this still doesn't work then it has to be bad dope. Smoking meth isn't hard to do, its really easy and works even if you don't know the method above, cracking back your shit will increase the hit size but even without cracking it back you should still get fairly large hits. "Cracking back" is not required when smoking meth.
After SWIM read this he smoked some later that night, and has been blowing massive clouds since he says. SWIM thanks you greatly! SWIM was inhaling TOO slowly -- once he followed your 7-10 second inhale instructions instead of his 30 seconds he produced clouds that rivaled his friends. SWIM said for the remainder of the binge, finally being able to blow the big clouds was what he looked forward to more then re-upping. The funny things SWIM/SWIY do when they over think things..

Post Quality Evaluations:
Thanks for updating your thread to let us know you found a solution to the problem (& what that solution was)!
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Old 06-03-2010, 15:21
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Swims Turtle has noticed some effects mentioned regarding this OP. Swim's Turtle has noticed that when Anhydrous Mth seems to always blow out smoke when taking large hits. Or just decent hits. Though Swim's turtle only finds the best Anhy dope,

The turtles experiences with RP/I stuff, would get a big O hit. Figured Would blow out a good size exhale. But nothing much happened. There was little and sometimes not smoke on the exhale.

Suppose the technique/method of synth would make a difference in making a quality product.
If it burns and runs clean and is of good quality, swim has never experienced this unless it is the case of lower quality or byproducts get into the batch.

Swim has ran into some that is better done nasal and IV, though did not smoke well and WAS Good quality.
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Old 06-03-2010, 19:26
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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Same thing is happening, & than afterwards its white not clear when dried in the pipe, why?

If the puddle is not clear looking and is cloudy or has sort of crystal "veins" running through it, its prob pure cut or very little meth.

The resin should look like snow frosting on the pipe tho.
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Old 13-11-2010, 10:38
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Considering the person lighting the bowl is experienced, and visibly large hits are being taken, I'm guessing that it may be cut with MSM. One characteristic of that is that the cloud blown out after a smoke is much smaller than initial hit.

Also an earlier poster brought up MSM's tendency to stick to the pipe very easily; the OP commented about the smoke being white, not clear. Perhaps the OP is noticing the residue from the MSM, and perhaps he's not been a longtime smoker. A longtime smoker would know that Meth leves frosty white residue after using the same tool long enough, but a new user(not experienced enough to light own bowl, so I'm guessing OP is) wouldn't necessarily know that, and might be surprised by the amount of frost the MSM would very quickly leave, perhaps as opposed to the residue a bag of higher quality he has maybe tried on a previous occasion would leave after the same amount of use.

Just playing 'puzzle pieces', hehe. Wonder if you guys think that makes sense.
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

As far as possible adulterants, Swim would agree with the MSM ideas. Especially if the bowl smokes quickly.

But to make a couple other points:
•Remember that you are not smoking the dope, you are vaporizing. That is why the vapors are (ideally) odorless and tasteless. Clean your pipe with a torch. That is what meth smoke smells like...
• Maybe most important is that you don't want to exhale large clouds of vapors. That big white cloud is dope. Now gone with the wind. Inhale. Hold. Suck in a gulp of air. Hold. Another gulp of air. Hold. Exhale. Very little visible should be seen.

At least that is what I have been told.
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Old 14-11-2010, 13:06
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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As far as possible adulterants, Swim would agree with the MSM ideas. Especially if the bowl smokes quickly.

But to make a couple other points:
•Remember that you are not smoking the dope, you are vaporizing. That is why the vapors are (ideally) odorless and tasteless. Clean your pipe with a torch. That is what meth smoke smells like...
• Maybe most important is that you don't want to exhale large clouds of vapors. That big white cloud is dope. Now gone with the wind. Inhale. Hold. Suck in a gulp of air. Hold. Another gulp of air. Hold. Exhale. Very little visible should be seen.

At least that is what I have been told.
From my understanding, it's best not to hold the vapors in for too long. The number i keep hearing is 5 seconds then spit. Also The Flaming Rainbow and all his associates inhale until they are filled to the head, lol; so there's no room for more 'gulping' in of air.

Logically you would think keeping it in for longer would allow for more absorption, but without anyone providing a source with an explanation as to the mechanics of it, it's always confusing and guesswork on our own parts as to which claim we should take as true.

Also, as to torching the glass, MSM frosts the glass up very quickly as well, so torching the pipe would release that substance back into the air, and as such that may not be the best way to learn the smell of Meth.
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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SWIM wanted some advice. They can take a big hit, but when exhaling usually nothing comes out and no effects are felt. 25% of the time they can blow out a LITTLE smoke, but not even 5% of the hit they got, but they do feel it somewhat then. Obviously they are wasting alot of money.

SWIM said that they exhale completely when its almost time and when the pipe is rolling with vapor as it should they inhale deeply, but slowly. Once they have all they can hold they exhale, they do not hold it in, however they have tried holding it in and got the same result.

Any ideas is much appreciated to them. If it helps at all for comparison SWIM smokes cigarettes.
SWIM Has had this happen before. SWIM and some there friends purchased half a g of ice and when smoked produced almost cigarette like smoke, not that thick white vapor that SWIM is used to blowing when they get good shit.

They IVed the ice with their friends and got high as hell though! So it was a weird trade-off! SWIM thinks you are either 1. not smoking correctly 2. getting bunk shit (most likely cut with MSM or adulterants)
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Swim used to have a similar problem regarding blowing out little amounts of vapor regardless of product quality. Swim found that he was being to cautious regarding a slow inhale, inhaling faster left swim blowing out clouds with a great rush each time.
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

Is it possible to tell whether it's high or low quality by the way it is exhaled?
In videos that show people blowing dragon hits, the hits always come out in 'clouds' that look really thick and milky(like 'milking' smoke in a bong.) but SWIM and his friends noticed that, most of the time, the vapor comes out more like smoke from cig(more like a stream and less like a cloud.)

So my questions is: Are the clouds that look like massive hits actually massive hits of high quality meth that seem impossible to acheive, or a combination of that and exhaling slower?

SWIM's friends envy the huge hits SWIM has exhaled in front of them. But sometimes SWIM runs into the problem of exhaling less vapor than he took in. SWIM is going to try the method mentioned above about taking the hit a little faster. But the main thing SWIM wants to learn here is if the way the vapors come out(either milky cloud or smokey stream) are because of the quality or just the rate its exhaled.
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Re: SWIM : huge hits, little or no "smoke" on exhale.

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inhale it. A hit should last at least 7-10 seconds exp. You should be hitting the pipe for a good 10 seconds before your lungs run out of room. Gently "roll" the pipe back and forth as you are smoking.

You are smoking out of a standard Speed pipe correct? You know a glass stem with a bubble at the end?

If so, you need to let your dope "crack back" before a attempting to inhale.

There are numerous threads on here how to do it but swim will sum it up.

Put ur shit in the bubble part of the pipe, melt it with very low heat just enough to get all the crystals to melt down and form a sort of puddle in the bubble, once all the speed is melted together take the flame off and let it cool down to room temp. You should be left with one solid mass of crystal in the bubble, it should almost look like a dirty frozen lake in the bottom of ur bowl/bubble. Once its at room temp proceed to hit as normal, Using just enough flame to get it to melt and produce vapor. Start rolling the pipe back and forth as you are smoking it. The idea is to get the little lake in your pipe to start cradling back and forth, this increases surface area of the puddle and creates more smoke.

If this still doesn't work then it has to be bad dope. Smoking meth isn't hard to do, its really easy and works even if you don't know the method above, cracking back your shit will increase the hit size but even without cracking it back you should still get fairly large hits. "Cracking back" is not required when smoking meth.
I smoked some shit today and got a few fat clouds i got some more of the same batch and i can't blow the same sized clouds as i did no more then 5 hours ago.
I'm new to smoking it sniff lines but that isn't doing it anymore so I started smoking it and not hip to all the lingo i wanted to know 1 what is cracking you're shit? and 2 how fat should i pack my bowl? i use a normal bubble speed pipe if that helps thanks.

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