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Old 21-02-2010, 00:12
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Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

SWIM was just notified the he will be drug tested for tramadol through a lab. He has done extensive research but can not find a reliable source to understand how long this med stays in his system. He has read in multiple places that the half-life of this drug is 6-7 hrs. So if you multiply 7hrs x 7(half lives) that comes down to about 49 hrs. until it is out of your system does that sound reasonable? Any advice?? please help!!
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Old 21-02-2010, 01:03
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

SWIM once had a broken leg and had to have a tibial nail surgically placed in situ. Whilst in hospital he was on IV morphine which was accessible for pain relief by pressing a button for a few days and nights as a post operative, and much needed soother for the pain.
On discharge from the ward SWIM was prescribed tramadol in fairly high doses for the months of intense discomfort and pain that followed. He reliably informs me that the prescription helped immensely. However even when he no longer felt the initial pangs he persisted in receiving the same dosage from his doctor.
He eventually realized that he was dependent on the medication. It was pleasant especially in the wee small hours when laying in bed listening to a Chopin nocturne or two on the radio. SWIM told his GP, all of his friends and workmates of his plight and gradually reduced the dose (with medical supervision).
SWIM informs me that the only thing that will show up in a drug test for opiates will be just opiates which can be ascribed to (over the counter) medicines which merely have only a small amount of codeine in them. He is not aware of any "test" that can specifically identify tramadol.

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Old 21-02-2010, 01:15
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Tramadol is a synthetic opiate. Since it works by manipulating serotonin mostly,swim does not see it showing. Most test kits are for traditional(opiates from the poppy)

This is a new one. Now if Swiy were to give blood it would certainly show. Swim was on a program on where they sent the urine to a lab far away to be analyzed.

Swim's testing for certain drugs were random but was taking tramadol and no problems from LE.

Swiy's logic sounds good though swim has not heard of a specific detection of tramadol.

So how are they going to tell if it is in the system?

>Swab
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>Hair

Presumably it would probably have to be detected through Blood test. Swim is not 100%sure though.

Intriguing post, this is a question that swimself would like to know actually, just in case.
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Old 21-02-2010, 01:44
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

It originated in the late seventies. SWIM tells me that he still has the occasional flirtation. He tells me that it has antidepressant qualities which are significant, but yet have to be freed from the bonds of their poppyesque chemically bound origins. As far as testing for it though SWIM cannot recall any actual specific procedure.

Smeg added 9 Minutes and 6 Seconds later...

SWIM reckons you're quite correct about detection techniques. He feels that the poor chap who's been duped into feeling the way he does about it shouldn't feel so worried.

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Old 21-02-2010, 17:47
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

SWIM is quite sure there is a UA test for this. Just checked on Labcorps website- which is where his urine will be going to. I hope my logic is close to correct :/ .
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Old 21-02-2010, 18:19
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Panel-type drugs tests tend to test for opiates by testing for morphine, which many opiates metabolise into. A standard 5 panel test will test for morphine for its "opiate" category.

Tramadol does not metabolise into morphine, it's main active metabolite is O-desmethyltramadol, and so it would not show up as a positive for a standard opiate test.

If one is being testing through work, generally speaking the standard 5 panel test is what they will use. If, however, one is being tested through their doctor or drugs service, for something to do with opiate abuse, they may test for other opiates apart from morphine, such as heroin and methadone.

I do not think there is a specific panel-type drugs test for tramadol or its metabolite O-desmethyltramadol, and tramadol should not cause a positive result for the general "opiates" standard urine panel test. A mass spectrometer (gc/ms) would probably be required to detect tramadol. Although this is possible, it is not standard procedure (even for urine tests which are processed in labs). So unless a urine sample is being sent in to a lab specifically for mass spectrometer analysis, it is very unlikely that tramadol will cause a positive result.

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SWIM informs me that the only thing that will show up in a drug test for opiates will be just opiates which can be ascribed to (over the counter) medicines which merely have only a small amount of codeine in them.
The above statement is rather misleading. If one gives a positive test for morphine, and that morphine is actually in their system because they have taken heroin, for instance, the excuse of over the counter (OTC) codeine-containing meds would not work. For a start, at the recommended dosages, codeine would metabolise into such a small amount of morphine that it would be unlikely to show up on a test anyway. Additionally, if your test comes back positive for morphine, and you say it's from OTC codeine containing meds, they will just ask the lab to further analyse the sample to see if this is true or not.

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Tramadol is a synthetic opiate. Since it works by manipulating serotonin mostly,swim does not see it showing. Most test kits are for traditional(opiates from the poppy)
Just to clarify - Tramadol is a synthetic opiate, but this has no bearing on whether or not it would show up in a drugs test for opiates - heroin and oxycodone are synthetic opiates, yet they give a positive result in standard 5 panel drugs tests for opiates. Additionally, tramadol doesn't work "mostly" by manipulating serotonin. More accurately, its mechanism of action is two-fold - just like many other opiates, it works as a straight forward μ-opioid receptor agonist, but it also inhibits the reuptake of norepinephrine and serotonin.

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Old 21-02-2010, 19:20
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

This is no ordinary drug test! It is a tramadol UA from a lab. The Lab is not looking for opiates they are looking for tramadol and thats it!
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Old 21-02-2010, 20:08
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Hopefully not because someone you know was stupid enough to steal Tramadol from where they work and then doubly stupid enough to get caught?

If it's urine, someone I know told me you can get replica urine samples off the net or even use a friends carried into work. Might be illegal where that person you know is from though, you would have to check that of course.

It's not like they're going to stand there and watch your friend with their johnson and if they want to do that your friend is either working for people they should have known better than to mess with or they don't have the right so your friend could tell them they can't go while they were watched so stop being perverts, then use the replacement sample to fill the container.

Don't know about your logic with half lives. If it was someone I know they'd probably use a friends sample obtained as close to test time as possible. I heard horror stories of folk who bought samples from the internet getting caught out as the man was tested for pregnancy and found positive (hopefully the labs don't test for this on the woman's samples, but one expects they do).

Good luck, unless you are flying aeroplanes while high or something in which case I hope you get caught

Re: Pregnancy comment.

Maybe you are right and it is just a story, but it does come up in the news from time to time. Like here. I wouldn't know.

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Old 21-02-2010, 23:48
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Haha specifically for tramadol that blows man! Did they find a trail of tramadol leaving to SWIYs office haha?!
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Old 22-02-2010, 00:14
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Swim feels that if the specifications of a written contract of employment that has been signed by an employee designates that "supervised urine tests" (for whatever substance is suspected) is not inherent in the aforementioned agreement it is not legal. It also be not entirely legitimate even if one has "signed". Where I'm from you cannot sign away your rights.
If so Swim reckons that it's not entirely appropriate for any member of that corporation to gaze upon a pee-pee whilst peeing. That sort of intrusion is a bit odd. Any insistence by the agency on that kind of spectator would seem peculiar and unusual to say the least.
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Old 22-02-2010, 00:22
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

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Swim feels that if the specifications of a written contract of employment that has been signed by an employee designates that "supervised urine tests" (for whatever substance is suspected) is not inherent in the aforementioned agreement it is not legal. It also be not entirely legitimate even if one has "signed". Where I'm from you cannot sign away your rights.
If so Swim reckons that it's not entirely appropriate for any member of that corporation to gaze upon a pee-pee whilst peeing. That sort of intrusion is a bit odd. Any insistence by the agency on that kind of spectator would seem peculiar and unusual to say the least.
When SWIM's son was on probation for weed he was drug tested monthly. His PO stood right there by him talking to him while he peed. He didn't look specifically at his weiner, but he could have noticed if her son was trying to pull something shady.

Also, why, why, why would they test for Tramadol? In SWIM's opinion and experience it's hardly more than fancied up Ibuprofin or something. It did absolutely nothing for SWIM, although she knows people who take it like it's going out of style. She thinks it might be just psychological.

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Old 22-02-2010, 00:48
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Swim reckons that the particular intrusion mentioned is not entirely befitting of any organization, and could be objected to as humiliating and unreasonable.

Smeg added 17 Minutes and 53 Seconds later...

Swim also agrees that the search for tramadol users is not hugely significant in the scheme of things. Swim recommends that scientific quests for the exact origins of diseases and cancers should be at the top of the queue for urinalysis. Not victims of prohibition, decreed by constantly shifting arbitrary laws designed to control and mold folk into weird corporate and/or national ideal identities on the whims of whatever political clique is presiding.

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Old 22-02-2010, 01:45
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Swim is kind of irate that so many of his fellow swimmers have been so ignorant of the plight of swidirtbiker573...

Did swidirtbiker573 specifically say he took the meds from his workplace... NO!
So why are some people that aren't some of the rest of you making assumptions that he did?
Swim strongly encourages his fellow swimmers keep their heads on topic, and to ignore why swidirtbiker573 is being tested for tramadol, instead help him... which is what he asked for to begin with.
Apparently there IS a test for tramadol specifically!

Swim would recommend swidirtbiker573 to simply drink plenty of fluids... It sounds like he might be getting tested for probation, or possibly work or whatever, in such cases he cannot have any other drugs present in his system, stimulants wouldn't work for him unless he had an Rx... (in swims experience he can pass a ua 10-12 days sooner on amphetamine than without...)

Swim recommends plenty of water specifically... Perhaps a gallon and a half a day until his ua comes up... Swim has used consuming excessive amounts of water to pass a ua before... 5 days earlier than he would have expected... and the drug in his system was marijuana...
Swim is just assuming tramadol and its metabolites would be more freely soluble in water than THC etc... So drinking fluids would increase clearance.

Swim has never had a blood test for drugs, however... He doesn't know how drinking fluids would affect such a test... I would assume as long as the chemical is cleared out of the body before the blood test swiy would have nothing to worry about.

Also diluted urine seems to work like a charm for urine tests in some cases... One just has to make sure he has had PLENTY of water... And has urinated at least 3 times previous to the UA.

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Old 22-02-2010, 02:01
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

Swim reckons that he was trying to help in any kind of predicament that Swiy may be embroiled in. Swim made non judgemental suggestions. He is unaware of the personal details nor circumstances of Swiy, but means well. He feels that others do too.
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

SWI-OP already took said tramadol and has it in his system, hence his reason for asking to begin with.

Swim feels questions relating to 'Is there really such thing as a test for tramadol?', after SWI-OP revealed he is being LAB TESTED specifically for tramadol, are quite irresponsible (and pointless). It would seem SWI-OP's situation is rather urgent, and he requested advice, swim offered what has worked for him in the past, nothing more. Swim simply just wishes to remind his fellow swimmers that drug tests are very potentially life-altering experiences, and quick, to the point advice could be the difference between say SWI-OP losing his job or going to jail, versus keeping his job and maintaining the quality of his life (however that may be). Asking such questions, and by probing for potential 'logic behind swi-op's situation' certainly falls in the realm of 'off-topic', and hinders the speed at which swi-op receives the advice he is seeking.

If SWIY were asking the community "Swim took 20 CCC's and is worried he is gonna die... (noting known physical symptoms and information known to him)... What do?"
Wouldn't swiy want to hear a quick to the point answer that might save his or her life, rather than pointless questions such as 'why did you take 20 CCC's' or 'IS SWIY TRYING TO KILL HIMSELF!?!?!.
The subject of drug testing should be treated with the same respect as the subject of 'am I gonna live or die', as both can significantly impact quality of life on a more immediate basis. Swim urges others to keep this in mind.

Back to the point:
Swim has successfully passed a UA by drinking ALOT of water (but not too much).
Swim has successfully passed a UA thanks to stimulants.
Swim has successfully passed a UA by diluting his urine.
Swim knows these won't work for everyone, but they worked for swim.

This is the extent of SWIM'S knowledge on passing drug tests.
Swim would also like to know any information beyond what he knows that others may have...
Swims belief is 'passing a drug test is simply LUCKY when one knows he or she has drugs in his system.' and knows there isn't much help for people in this situation... Surely some of his fellow swimmers, however, have more information, even if it is just 'personal experience'. Swim would like to see it.
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

You can test for ANY compound with the right equipment but such testing is VERY EXPENSIVE.

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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

I am also specifically tested for tramadol. The test is an ELISA and the cutoff is 200ng/ml. From what I have heard, the tramadol shows up from 3 - 5 days after you take it. I am currently waiting for my positive to come back and lose my job, as I took a test 2 days after taking it. So basically, you should drink lots and lots of water, and I would suggest OMNI, which replaces the creatinine in your urine so it doesn't look dilute. I have successfully used this in the past, although not with tramadol. Let me know what happens!

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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

ELISA testing for tramadol does indeed exist, but it's not considered to be conclusive, you need to do a GC/MS run to check. I don't know about other countries employment law but in the UK at least, an ELISA alone is not considered to be proof.
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Positive tests on the ELISA are usually verified by GC/MS.
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Re: Tramadol Drug Test- Yes it does exist! Please help!

BTW The story about the urine test showing the guy being pregnant comes from a true case in the Tour de France. Once they figured it was a false test, they decided to rip it apart to really show the guy up.

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