MDA powder vs MDMA powder

[resonance]

A few days ago i had MDMA powder it was white.


I read some stuff on the forum about people often get MDA powder instead of MDMA powder and MDA powder should fuck u up ...


I was wondering, in what way does it suppose to fuck u up? While ur on it or the after effects?


I had more than halve a gram and I must say I felt great I had been drinkin too and was drunk before I used it.


I was so totaly confused.. I was hanging on a table in a bar I felt very stoned but not in a stoned on weed kinda feeling.


I asked my mate like a hundred times to put some coke in my drinks and he kept saying we should snort it. But i forgot what he said to me the minute after he said something to me .. same like i kept saying he should buy some coke from the dude next to me (I really hope I didnt asked that dude if he sold coke a hundred times). I was so far off the world. When we went outside I saw everything double, lights and people etc. I almost felt like I was tripping on psy-drugs. But i still felt very nice ... Many hours later when it worn off I started to get this awfull taste in my mouth for hours and trust me, I had lots of drugs in my life but this was really awfull...


What do u guys think i had? MDA or MDMA ?


How could I recognize MDA over MDMA next time?


I usualy dont have those pill tester stuff... so this is not really an option


Edited by: resonance

[umich]

Sounds like MDA man. This happened to me last week, slight hallucinations (people in the distance that didnt exist, friends face morphing) and not a real rolling feeling. More like a stoned feeling, and your memory is completely shot. I would forget what I was saying before I finished my sentence, it was so annoying. I asked my friend a ton of times what he just said and what we were talking about. Interesting experience, but not a fan of MDA.

[Nagognog2]

Either MDA or MDMA - or MDE etc - will cause the effect you describe if you take an overdose. You say you had half a gram? Well anything over 200mg (far less for some)of either molecule is quite capable of shorting-out your short-term memory in this fashion.


Read up on proper dosages before you walk in front of a bus.

[resonance]

so mdma doesnt do this extreme short term memory thing? when u take high doses of mdma powder? does mda do more damamge to ur brain as mdma ?

[Tony Blair]

does mda do more damamge to ur brain as mdma ?

I think someone did a study somewhere that came up with MDA *COULD* be
more neurotoxic than MDMA. People seem to report a harsher
comedown / day after with MDA - so this would make sense.



Bottom line has already been stated.. High does of MDMA, MDEA, MDA,
MBDB, and associated analogue's will make your short term memory as
useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

[resonance]

Originally Posted by MegaLev

I think someone did a study somewhere that came up with MDA *COULD* be more neurotoxic than MDMA. People seem to report a harsher comedown / day after with MDA - so this would make sense.

Bottom line has already been stated.. High does of MDMA, MDEA, MDA, MBDB, and associated analogue's will make your short term memory as useful as an ashtray on a motorbike.

So mdma can do the same thing with that short term memory on high doses? so now i still dont know what i had

[enquirewithin]

Originally Posted by resonance

A few days ago i had MDMA powder it was white.


I read some stuff on the forum about people often get MDA powder instead of MDMA powder and MDA powder should fuck u up ...


I was wondering, in what way does it suppose to fuck u up? While ur on it or the after effects?


I had more than halve a gram and I must say I felt great I had been drinkin too and was drunk before I used it.


I was so totaly confused.. I was hanging on a table in a bar I felt very stoned but not in a stoned on weed kinda feeling.


I asked my mate like a hundred times to put some coke in my drinks
and he kept saying we should snort it. But i forgot what he said to me
the minute after he said something to me .. same like i kept saying he
should buy some coke from the dude next to me (I really hope I didnt
asked that dude if he sold coke a hundred times). I was so far off the
world. When we went outside I saw everything double, lights and people
etc. I almost felt like I was tripping on psy-drugs. But i still felt
very nice ... Many hours later when it worn off I started to get this
awfull taste in my mouth for hours and trust me, I had lots of drugs in
my life but this was really awfull...


What do u guys think i had? MDA or MDMA ?


How could I recognize MDA over MDMA next time?



I usualy dont have those pill tester stuff... so this is not really an option

That's like taking 4 or 5 pills at a time, which makes you very
'stoned' (including lots of nystagmus or eye jiggling, which makes your
vision strange) rather than the MDMA clarity. Such a does will
also last much longer and be far more neurotoxic than a normal does of
about 100-200 mg. Erowid's guide says that hardly anyone (sensibly)
takes more than 300mg due to the hangover.

[Tony Blair]

I guess that people who read this forum, or others similar, would know that you should start with somewhere around 100mg.



I guess being with only 4 posts, you probably didnt know that. If
only the stuff was legal, people would know more about it, and not make
potentially dangerous mistakes

[resonance]

hehe ..


well me and my mate are both drug abusers for about 10 years now


but this stuff was new for us, i would take the same amount or next time even more, since the trippy effects were really cool.


only downside was I turned into a complete moron

[Boyv]

Originally Posted by resonance

So mdma can do the same thing with that short term memory on high doses? so now i still dont know what i had

Well, your body changes 7% of the taken MDMA into MDA. Now, you took 500 mg of MDMA, that's quite the load. If taken this much, it's hard to recognize the drug at his effect, since most of the time their quite alike. MDMA isn't really a psychedelic, though at high doses it can give you effects of MDA.

[Tony Blair]

Well, take as much again next time if you want.. with that level of
usage, very soon, all the good effects will disappear and you'll be
left with all the negative ones (and you are sniffing into neurotoxic
region with half a gram, I reckon).



Boyv, where did you get the 7% figure from?

[resonance]

what's neurotoxic?

[Boyv]

Originally Posted by MegaLev

Well, take as much again next time if you want.. with that level of usage, very soon, all the good effects will disappear and you'll be left with all the negative ones (and you are sniffing into neurotoxic region with half a gram, I reckon).

Boyv, where did you get the 7% figure from?

Well, I remember it from a discussion a long time ago. I will try to look it up.Edited by: Boyv

[Boyv]

Now, for as far as I remember, the creation of MDA of MDMA is just a fase during the breaking down of MDMA by the body.


A search gave me the following article, though I didn't read it yet:


A. Richard Green. The Pharmacology and Clinical Pharmacology of 3,4-Methylenedioxymethamphetamine (MDMA, "Ecstasy"). Pharmacol Rev 2003;55:463-508


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Someone I asked send me this, (I hope it's correct, since I had to translate it from Dutch):


Pharmacokinetica van <B style="COLOR: black; : #ffff66">MDMA[/B]
1. Absorption
- Oral taken <B style="COLOR: black; : #ffff66">MDMA[/B]
- MDMA kicking in: 15-30+minutes
-Peak(bloodserumconcentration)+/- 2 hours

2. Biotransformation of MDMA
-Approximately 65% of the drug (MDMA) issaid to be 'unchanged'in the urine. The leftover 35%is changed in the bodyby n-demethylationinto MDA and some other metabolites.

3. Elimination by the urine
- The time it takes for the body to dispose of 50% of the taken MDMA is 3-7 hours