Oral use - The coca alcohol thread (wines, liquors, etc...) thread

[Benga]

hello all


SWIMwas wondering if people had experienced with making wines, liquors and other coca leaf extracts in the footsteps of Mariani and others ?


there must must some way to get the most out of c. leaves without ending up with a wad in your cheek for 40 minutes. Not to mention the interest of adding alcohol, producing cocaethylene which means a heavy body load but also euphoria.


SWIM has decided to macerate 300 grams or so of ground leaves in 50% fruit maceration liquor, adding baking soda as a base until PH is around 9. This would probably imply adding an acid prior to consumption such a good shot of lemon juice/ lemon juice concentrate in order to neutralize that base.


but what of liquid extraction, and maybe kitchen distillation using the pot, iceand bowl method ? any hints clues or stories on the subject ?




another question : if say 300g of leaves are macerated in a liquor with a ph of 9, what would be the ideal maceration time to extract alkaloids ?


cheers


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[Benga]

This popped up in another thread, though it might be better off here.

Here's a lovely recipe, to which you can add whatever leaves you have, let's say, hum, laurel leaves, hum...

Benga's Tonic Hot Wine

take one liter of red bordeaux wine
dump in between 50 g or 150g of say laurel leaves
add 3 brown sugar cubes
3 sticks of cinnamon
one tablespoonful of grated ginger
a few cardamom pods
4 star anis (badiane)
4 cloves
1 teaspoon grated nutmeg
some fenel, fenugrec
optional 1 or 2 betelnut (areca catechu) dried slices, one tablespoon c. sour for those in the know.

a dash of liqueur, say cointreau or cognac, or even a little rum or whiskey

at the end of preparation (after first heating) some lemon juice ( or lemon peels) and orange juice (or peel) in moderation, this stuff is strong tasting.

let this sit for as long as you can, 24 hours is great but a couple of hours will also do.

cover, then heat very slowly, turn off heat just before it comes to a boil.
let it cool, and repeat process, just reaching boiling point and turning off heat, add half a glass of wine, and let sit.

the key is not to let it boil, or at least not more than 30 seconds, as boiling degrades.

Strain and drink your delicious tonic hot wine.

laurel of course is just one option among many possibilities.

this drink is perfect for long winter evenings.b

[Benga]

Aaaah, coca drinks !


here's a couple of recipe to share (favouring lovely toxic cocaethylene for a more euphoric drink) :

the tonic hot wine :

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...ght=tonic+wine

Coca liquor :

a more complex but more efficient way to make a coca drink is to make coca liquor :
prepare a pH 9 water solution with sodium bicarbonate, and pour enough to just cover the leaves / leaf powder.
Add the strongest drinking alcohol you have to the solution. Let sit for a week or more, stirring/ working the paste whenever you can. Resulting liquid will be undrinkeable, foul, but the alkaloids will have recipitated into the alcohol. What you need to do is extract the alcohol out of the water / leaf / sodium bicarb / alcohol stew.

key is distillation : distillate, with a pot still if you don't have distillation material, it works fine : pour the liquid into a tall pot, float a bowl in the middle of the liquid ( it will get hot and reflux but that's not detrimental), cover the pot with a wok, fill the wok with cold water and ice and heat gently. Alcohol rises, hits the cold metal wok, condenses, drips into the collecting bowl.
distillate all the alcohol out of the liquid, leaving as little tails as possible ( non alcoholic liquid) since this is the undrinkeable water / sodium bicarb / leaf stew with a fould taste.

Take a sip of the clear alcohol collected in the bowl, if your mouth goes numb, no reason it shouldn't if worked / macerated the paste long enough at the right pH, you're there : Coca liquor.
add whatever you need for taste (distillated alcohol won't have much taste).

Coca drinks are pretty fascinating, I wish there was a way to dig up info on the ratios and processes involved in the famous Vin Mariani of yore...the internet is silent, but there must be a pattern pending somewhere...It was apparently also based on maceration and distillation of leaves, but it's hard to see how it could have been so effective without addition of extracted Hcl...
b

[azrael2600]

Swim was casually walking through swim's local liquer store when swim came across a particular liquer (AGWA) that claimed it had 32 grams of bolivian coca leaves per liter with some gurana included. swim had to try it out, but to no availe swim just got drunk. apparantly there are 2 version's of this liquer. the US version of this particular liquer has 32 grams of coca leaves per liter, and the Europian version has 40 grams of coca leaves per liter.

[jesusfreak666er]

i cant imagine a us alc containing something like coca leaves, sounds more likely thats its juyst some gurana and caffeine.

[Benga]

Originally Posted by azrael2600

Swim was casually walking through swim's local liquer store when swim came across a particular liquer (AGWA) that claimed it had 32 grams of bolivian coca leaves per liter with some gurana included. swim had to try it out, but to no availe swim just got drunk. apparantly there are 2 version's of this liquer. the US version of this particular liquer has 32 grams of coca leaves per liter, and the Europian version has 40 grams of coca leaves per liter.

it's probably quite good for your health, apart from the alcohol.
Oral effectiveness of coca is very limited, since alkaloids are broken down by stomach acids, and 40gms of leaves is not that much...I guess it might also make a difference if the leaves were macerated or distilled, but still, nothing great to be expected...does it numb your mouth more than regular alcohol would ? if not, well...
which again brings up benga's everlasting interrogation on vin mariani : did it contain extra cocaine Hcl ? if not, how could it be so enjoyable, or was the international endorsement just commercial hype ?
ah...

b

[azrael2600]

Originally Posted by jesusfreak666er

i cant imagine a us alc containing something like coca leaves, sounds more likely thats its juyst some gurana and caffeine.

swim found out this liquer (AGWA) was banned in the state of New York recently
and the bottle claims it has 32 grams bolivian coca leaves in it per liter.

[Nagognog2]

The Bolivian government is doing it's best to export coca in just about everything. The economy of Bolivia is so poor that to ignore it's major crop would be downright criminal in the eyes of it's new socialist government. So I'm not in least bit surprised to hear that coca liquor has flowed up into the USA. I'm waiting for Crunchy-Coca Granola Bars to appear in my local supermarket.

Regards 32, or 40, grams of coca leaf per litre - that is a very small amount. It would be hardly noticable compared to the amount of alcohol you'd have to drink to feel any effects from swallowing that amount of coca. You'd be passed-out cold on the floor first! But the novelty of such is sure to make this a flash-in-the-pan best seller. A great gift for your oddball inebriated uncle or aunt. A neat novelty - but shouldn't be purchased with HIGH expectations.

Viva Che Guevara!

[nobody13]

I was researching coca wine and came across this:


"If cocaine is consumed on its own, it yields two principal metabolites, ecgonine methyl ester and benzoyleconine. Neither compound has any discernible psychoactive effect. Cocaine co-administered with alcohol, however, yields a potent psychoactive metabolite, cocaethylene.

Cocaethylene is very rewarding agent in its own right. Cocaethylene is formed in the liver by the replacement of the methyl ester of cocaine by the ethyl ester. It blocks the dopamine transporter and induces euphoria. Hence coca wine drinkers are effectively consuming three reinforcing drugs rather than one."

-So is this true?

Can a simple leaf extraction in wine for a few days produce this effect?


Just wondering if anyone has any experience with this and their feelings toward it vs. chewing w/basing agent.

[Swimster]

well uhh... "Cocaethylene" is a no-no.

read:

Just a heads up here, please do not try ethanol to come from from cocaine, there are a growing number of threads and information out there on teh internets about the two forming cocaethylene in the body, which is disastrous on the body

It's more toxic to the heart than cocaine, but.. just as you said-it is also euphoric. It also lasts longer than regular Methyl ester of benzoyl ecgonine.

Try wiki: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocaethylene

[Bio-Cellular Enigma]

Of course, it so happens that perhaps 90% of heavy cocaine users tend to drink alcohol heavily as well -- quite a 'coincidence'.

[Bajeda]

Yes, cocaethylene is a much better subjective feeling than cocaine alone for many, including my bunny.

My bunny would wonder why you wouldn't just snort some cocaine and then drink some wine if you wanted to play with such things though, as that combination produces cocaethylene without much effort.

Not to mention that coca leaf has many other alkaloids than cocaine in it, so I don't think you would have much cocaethylene produced from 'coca wine' compared to the method my bunny suggested.

[pabel_giboon]

Allways wondered what coul have cocaetihilene has done to my cat. It´s been exposed to it maybe twice a week for 10 years. Maybe a blood test would suggest how it´s liver is doing. Too lazy to do it.

[Nagognog2]

There was a recipe around here that seems to have vanished. However, if memory serves Bongo well...

About 100gm of powdered Coca leaves would be brought to simmer in a quart (litre) of red wine (Burgundy was the example) and allowed to simmer gently for an hour or two. Allowed to cool, then filtered. Another bottle of wine added to the filtrate and the same thing done. The combined wine was then allowed to sit for awhile. The filtrate was then discarded.

The alcohol in the wine works just as well as a solvent for the active ingredient as raising the pH to 9 or wherever.

[Benga]

well after some experimenting and reading up in the last couple of years swim is pretty positive that Vin Mariani was actually strengthened by additional cocaine HCl. there's a couple of other threads on coca extracts and a coca wine recipe in the coca forum somewhere.

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[Benga]

found one which needed renaming and moving (pre coca forum post)
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14691

[AceOvArts]

SWIM will try these recipes (I thank you for posting) as soon as his leaf arrives

[fleetwood1956]

Swim decided today to make a very crude vin mariani today.
Firstly swim put 2 heaped teaspoons of powered coca tea superior in to a cup adding a little sodium bicarb and boiling water. Finally adding some malibu(swim big girl).
Swim has to say it is very strong and quite europhoric(swim cant spell either). Swim also quite likes to chew(suck) with bicarb(nice stimulant for walking swim feels like swim can walk forever).
Swims only problem is swim has 1.8kg it could take till christmas to finish it.
Swim has been looking around at other posts and is interested in production of cocaine but it seems quite complicated. Swim only has a/s levels in chem. Swim would just like to know a little bit about other peoples experiences in making it and there personal skills.

[imyourlittlebare]

swim would have to say the hastle of it isnt worth it. i believe i read it takes like a kg of coca plant for a gram of coke. dont quote me but i know thats a good ballpark figure. Swim heard from a little birdy that if one grows coca and chews the leaves with a lime like incans did, 3 hours go by and then one feels like one has done a big line and the feeling is pretty consistant.

[Benga]

Cocaethylene makes it worth it, pretty euphoric compared to regular coca chewing. Coca wines and liquors are interesting, when prepared properly, from 100gm of coca to 1 litre of red wine. But yes, it's very different from cocaine. But in swim's opinion coca is in many cases more worth it than extracted cocaine.

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[imyourlittlebare]

Originally Posted by Benga

Cocaethylene makes it worth it, pretty euphoric compared to regular coca chewing. Coca wines and liquors are interesting, when prepared properly, from 100gm of coca to 1 litre of red wine. But yes, it's very different from cocaine. But in swim's opinion coca is in many cases more worth it than extracted cocaine.

b

i really wanna try it. its sounds great!

[Benga]

there's a couple of threads on coca drinks in the forum you might also want to check out.

b

http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/showthread.php?t=14691

[lala124]

SWIM is planning to make a quite big coca order soon and will be making coca vodka. If that goes well, he will they make Coca Green Dragon, that should be quite nice.

[fleetwood1956]

swim made coca vodka, swim said its really quite good. All swim did was add a couple of tablespoons of coca into bottle of vodka and add a bit of bicarb. Shake and leave for 3 days. Only thing is dont drink too late in the day.

[lala124]

What were the ratios you used?