The Infamous Tin Foil Debate

[jesusfreak666er]

were getting a little off topic but w/e, do most deodorants have aluminum?

[Agent Subby]

Does everybody that has a toot bother burning the aluminium off the foil before you start tooting?
I've heard it can cause Alzeimers if you don't.

[adzket]

no they dont i no some swims' that do but many more that don't there is a suposid risk of alzeimers like simptoms due to aluminum poising rather than alzeimers it's self.

[Fantasian]

Better to be safe than sorry The one time SWIF did this he burned it off.

[tshady]

most people i no do burn it,just watch and smell the smoke that comes of and it will give you a sore head to..

[INodHardOhYeah]

This is from one of my posts in the Propylhexadrine Basics thread (various drugs)

//From the "Heroin Helper" about the effects of smoking off aluminum foil:
" While working on my heroin books, I researched the possible ill effects of smoking anything off of aluminum foil. This included extensive conversations with people at Reynolds Consumer Products--the makers of Reynolds Wrap®. Although the company does not recommend smoking heroin off their product (nor do they like the idea of their product being associated with heroin at all), there are no known problems stemming from the foil."
http://www.heroinhelper.com/

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	thanks for disproving a myth
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[Wflash]

SWIM has expressed his grateful thanks to me for a lot of the excellent advice I've been picking up for him on here, so here goes with another query to which he would like to apply the community's expert knowledge and lengthy experience -

In SWIM's city, every time anyone (and by this he means everyone) prepares to smoke some kit, he or she first of all spends a lengthy period of time holding a lighter flame to the bit of tinfoil that the smack's gonna go on, "to burn off the poisonous sh*t".

Now SWIM has to say that he's just a little sceptical abouth this.

No obvious vapour or similar appears to be coming off the foil while it is heated, and in any case - surely it wouldn't be sold for wrapping meat in to roast in ovens, and all it's other "legitimate" cooking uses, without a public health warning on it if there was some serious issue here. Plus SWIM has never encountered anyone known to have poisoned themselves with tinfoil. However SWIM has heard that some folk link too much legitimate tinfoil usage with Alzheimer's. But are there any known facts here, or have any scientific studies been done?

SWIM knows that urban myths can spread to almost saturation point among drug users.

For an example he was long expecting his teeth to fall out at any moment because "methadone rots your teeth", 'til he picked up an excellent "Methadone - The Facts" type leaflet in a health centre somewhere that informed him that, yes - Kryptonite can rot your teeth because it's usually got sugar in it to make it taste nicer. However so does Coca Cola or Irn Bru, and they rot your teeth far faster.

And another not directly relevant but quite interesting one - people won't use the central magnetically(?) readable bits of Glasgow tube tickets for roaches in spliffs "because there's more toxins in it than the plain cardboard bit", but are quite happy to pour in and smoke all of the toxic chemicals found in tobacco.

So what's the score with burning his tinfoil before putting his smack on it? Is this necessary to ensure a long and happy life? Or a oddball myth that just sounds convincing?

[Forthesevenlakes]

SWIM thinks that the aluminum foil danger was disproved as a myth. Search around the forum a little bit, SWIM remembers a discussion about this. He can't find his source for the disproof at the moment but he recalls finding out that there was no conclusive evidence that smoking off of aluminum foil will cause Alzheimers or anything like that.

[Wflash]

Thanks. I'll have a look about the forum. Kinda thought that might be the case.

[Alfa]

Threads merged. Also check Smoking cannabis with Aluminum Foil

[Alfa]

About Alzheimers and alufoil: http://www.alzheimers.org.uk/Facts_a..._aluminium.htm
Bottom line: There is circumstantial evidence linking this metal with Alzheimer's disease but no causal relationship has yet been proved. As evidence for other causes continues to grow, a possible link with aluminium seems increasingly unlikely.

[shoobie]

Hey all. SWIM is thinking of trying h. They have however read that smoking on aluminum foil can occasionally react with something in the cut and do serious damage. SWIM wonders what other materials you could use to chase with. Any ideas anyone? Swim also wants to know how much tar they would need to use. SWIM has done alot of oxys (100mg daily) and morphine (3-500 MG daily) so is used to opiates, but they are fairly apprehensive and don't want to land themselves in trouble. Also, Swim wants to know if powder would be about the same amount (to smoke) as tar. thanks!!!!

[MrJim]

SWIM has contacted an aluminium manufacturer. This is an urban myth.
http://www.drugs-forum.com/forum/sho...amous+tin+foil

Noone is going to tell you how much to take. Every dealer cuts differently. One dealers high could be another dealers OD.

[shoobie]

Thanks for the reply. swim thought this was kind of wierd, but just wanted to get a feel to be on the safe side. Swim has heard of people burning the foil first, this will hopefully be safe enough. Swim knew that would be the answer in regards to dosage. Swim will probably start off with a matchead size chunk or pile and work up from there.

[ISmokeCigarettes]

Swim had a past of heavy codeine and tramadol use, amongst other non-opiate related drugs before he ever touched heroin.

Swim didn’t bother doing his homework or thinking sensibly about how much to smoke the first time because Swim thought he’d used enough drugs and OD’ed enough times (on other drugs) to know what was safe…trusting instinct.

Swim also thought that after being around heroin users for years and so being (in a sense) desensitised to its presence and having never seen a heroin smoker overdose that the chances were too small to worry over.

Swim overdosed that night.

Swim peaked after half an hour and then Swim lost consciousness numerous times, stopped breathing and finally collapsed on a bench in the freezing cold facing the Thames about three hours after ingestion (at 4am in the morning). *Luckily* Swim was ok, but had Swim not had the friends Swim does Swim may have not been so lucky.

Swim would advise (because of this) to stick with the basic advice he received (and ignored), and to simply smoke a match head every fifteen minutes until suitably happy, giving Swiy’s self time to peak if Swiy thinks he has smoked a decent amount without reaching this point. Take it easy. It is better to be safe and disappointed than wrecked…and dead.

[ISmokeCigarettes]

…Oh and I read that myth about aluminium foil being potentially dangerous and panicked, as did many of my friends, but it really is just an urban myth.

Not only have users contacted manufacturers, but the government (in the UK) researched this too and although most companies don’t like to think people are sat all over the country smoking smack off their product they determined the foil is perfectly suitable and safe. It is what is on the foil which should be watched (and of course enjoyed ).

[anytime]

You should always burn the underside of the foil before placing your kit on it, because there is some sort of coating on the foil that doesnt react to kindly to the lungs over a period of time.

[noturbo]

yeah swim smoked for four years and always burned the shiny side of the foil before smoking and ran the gear on the duller side

[alessio_3]

swim knows that the brown powder, smoked via tin foil, makes you lose your front teeth. swim knows a few people who realized they had badly damaged their front teeth after only 6-7 monyhs of smoking it. can anybody yell me more on this matter?

[atemeles5]

it can be thrue. I saw several south asian people smoking with a coin on
the front thoot. They saw "it's to defend my thoot"

[ukgal22]

Originally Posted by alessio_3

swim knows that the brown powder, smoked via tin foil, makes you lose your front teeth. swim knows a few people who realized they had badly damaged their front teeth after only 6-7 monyhs of smoking it. can anybody yell me more on this matter?

SWIM has smoked for a year and their teeth are only a little bit yellow, but a lot of her friends have awful teeth and her boyfriend has loads missing due to smoking gear.

SWIM is terrified of losing their teeth so might try that foil thing, anyone else got any ideas on saving your teeth?

[Psych0naut]

SWIM made a very nice discovery, his own personal breakthrough in smoking heroin! He used to smoke it on foil, but a lot of smoke got lost in the process, nothing SWIM could do about, and he also ruined some by accidentally heating the foil too much. Suddenly an idea popped up in SWIMs mind, he has a lightbulb type vaporiser for smoking cannabis. He gave his idea a trial test, and indeed it worked marvelously! No smoke was lost because the bulb is closed, with only one opening, being the tube one inhales through. Because the bulb is made out of thick glass, the heroin would not be overheated, so none of it would be burned and destroyed. He actually only needed half a normal dose, and even then he was much more wasted than usual, so it's very effective. It's something one could easilly have come up with, but it's a good idea anyway.

[beentheredonethatagain]

Nik (no-one I know) has seen methamphetamine smoked very well with a lightbulb pipe. That was more than 10 yrs ago, now that method isnt being used as much , the perferd method now is to buy a pre-made glass dick (pipe) or pookie.

They are sold at some stores here in the U.S., but a test tube or there is a car air-freshener that has a liquid inside a glass tube, the liquid is removed then the tube can be washed and heated with torch to form a bowl then a small hole is burned into it .

Nik has never tried smoking H, but it should work the same with a glass pipe.

[Ethyl]

Originally Posted by Psych0naut

SWIM made a very nice discovery, his own personal breakthrough in smoking heroin! He used to smoke it on foil, but a lot of smoke got lost in the process, nothing SWIM could do about, and he also ruined some by accidentally heating the foil too much. Suddenly an idea popped up in SWIMs mind, he has a lightbulb type vaporiser for smoking cannabis. He gave his idea a trial test, and indeed it worked marvelously! No smoke was lost because the bulb is closed, with only one opening, being the tube one inhales through. Because the bulb is made out of thick glass, the heroin would not be overheated, so none of it would be burned and destroyed. He actually only needed half a normal dose, and even then he was much more wasted than usual, so it's very effective. It's something one could easilly have come up with, but it's a good idea anyway.

I've smoked in the past with mixed results. I found that the thick glass destroyed some more heroin, but the rush is a lot more.
Could you explain on how you used heat and such.?

[Psych0naut]

SWIM heated the vaporiser by keeping his Zippo lighter underneath it. SWIM doubts the thick glass of the vaporiser would destroy the heroin, cause it spreads heat over a large area, and because of this takes a long time to get very hot, and which point the heroin has long since been vaporised.