The Infamous Tin Foil Debate

[Alfa]

I once heard that aluminium foil contains lead and smoking from it leads to intake of poisonous lead. Is this true?

[Insane Asian]

i dont think it has lead other wise it wouldnt be safe to wrap your food in. but ive also heard that smoking from foil is bad for your lungs because when it burns it has chemicals that fuck up your lungs.

[searcher]

Doesn't aluminum give you Alzheimers disease?

[Pinkavvy]

Though it is speculated that aluminun does cause alzheimers, is has not been proven.

However, they do know that high levels of aluminumdoes have bad neurotoxic effects on the brain that are similar to the symtoms of Alzhiemers. And the fumes from burning aluminum can cause brain damage. So, though they haven't proven yet that aluminum causes cancer, they do know that it is a neurotoxin and can cause brain damage the fumes of burning aluminun are inhaled.

[pancho]

i heard smokin aluminum puts metal bubbles in your lungs

[Psilocybe S.]

I must have a lot of metal bubbles then..sigh..

[Pinkavvy]

i heard smokin aluminum puts metal bubbles in your lungs

no, not at all. lol that would imply you're actually getting metel into your lungs. the danger comes from the fumes of the metel heating entering your blood stream through the lungs and causing brain damange after prolonged build up. also some speculation on the fumes causing cancer.

[Psilocybe S.]

I still bet all you guys that its less harmful that smoking cigarettes.

[searcher]

"They" say smoking 1 joint is equivalent to smoking 3 packs of cigarets.

[SurferNerd]

Ya, I think it does mess with your lungs tho, because I used to do it all the time, and my lungs have been hurting really bad from it. I went to a doctor to see why it was happening and he said I had chemicals in there from either aluminum or ink. I didnt want to go there with him about smoking from foil, but I guess its from that. Shortness of breath, easy wearing out, and pain when u sneeze, lol. But newayz, I aint doin it anymore, and I dont recommend it to neone. Vic

[manda]

Your doctor didn't mention Alzeheimer's, did he? (I've heard that sh&t before too)

[GLOBE]

Hey i belive the alzeheimers thing i used to smoke on a lot on foil it fucked my memory up alot could that be from the foil it also fucked my lungs up extremly bad it sucks...

[daeron]

here is some info:

Studies began to emerge about 20 years ago suggesting that aluminium might have a possible connection with developing Alzheimer's disease when researchers found what they considered to be significant amounts of aluminium in the brain tissue of Alzheimer's patients. Although automobile manufacturing industry also have concerns about long-term exposure to aluminium (contained in metal working fluids) in the workplace and the development of degenerative muscular conditions and cancer (Brown 1998; Bardin et al. 2000).

Scientists know that aluminium is a significant neurotoxin and that it shares many common mechanisms with mercury as a neutotoxin. For example:
They are both toxic to neuronal neurotubules
Interfere with antioxidant enzymes
Poison DNA repair enzymes
Interfere with mitochondrial energy production
Block the glutamate reuptake proteins (GLT-1 and GLAST)
Bind to DNA
Interfere with neuronal membrane function.

The last three decades have seen a steady increase of aluminium in our environment and diet. Many junk and fake foods contain additives; for example raising agents in breads, muffins and donuts.

Aluminium is harmful to all life forms. It damages all types of tissue. "Aluminium is a protoplasmic poison and a pernicious and persistent neurotoxin". No living systems use aluminium as part of a biochemical process. It has a tendency to accumulate in the brain and bones. It is considerably less toxic than mercury, arsenic, lead or cadmium, but it appears to be more persistent than most of them.

The principal symptom of Aluminium poisoning is the loss of intellectual function; forgetfulness, inability to concentrate, and in extreme cases, full blown dementia. It is also known to cause bone softening and bone mass loss, kidney and other soft tissue damage, in large doses it can cause cardiac arrest.

Sources and their effects are listed below.

sources:
Aerosol deodorants, alum, aluminium cooking foil, animal feed, antacids, aspirin, auto exhaust, baking powder, beer, bleached flour, cans & tins, ceramics, cheese, cigarette filters, colour additives, construction materials, cookware, cosmetics, dental amalgams, deodorants, drinking water, drying agents, dust, insulated wiring, medicinal compounds, milk products, nasal spray, pesticides, pollution, salt, municipal water, tobacco smoke, toothpaste, treated water, vanilla powder.

effects:
Alzheimer's, anaemia, appetite loss, behavioural problems, dental cavities, colds, colitis, confusion, constipation, dementia, dry mouth, dry skin, energy loss, excessive perspiration, flatulence, headaches, heartburn, hyperactivity, inhibition of enzyme systems, kidney dysfunction, memory loss, neuromuscular disorders, numbness, osteoporosis, paralysis, Parkinson's disease, peptic ulcer, psychosis, reduced intestinal activity, senility, skin problems, spleen pain, stomach pain, weak and aching muscles.

Now for my 2 cents:
If the Al foil is really cheap(i mean its quality is crap-you can determine this in a following manner:if you can scrape the fine Al particles of the foil than its crap) than by smoking shit in it you inhale submicron sized Al particles that go directly to the alveolas in your lungs,cause internal bleeding,breathing probleams and finally they enter the bloodstream and start fucking up you real bad,and really serious.
Use glass pipes,unless you like memory deficiency and a blood drenched cough.

Reputation Comments on this post:

Excellent post. Full of facts.

[GLOBE]

yea i didnt have a pipe handy it was when i first started somkin not no mor ethough

[dags]

if your smoking weed out of it, just use an apple. dont do that shit if you have to. better yet, buy a fucking pipe.

[P!MPJU!C3]

Yes it is really bad 4 u. Metal in ur living invorement is unhealthy. Places close to big factories are dangerous partially due 2 2 much metal in the air.

Smoking off aluminium will kill u, but only if dope doesnt kill u 1st. But then again "Weve been dieng since we were born."

P!MPJU!C3

[Muirner]

SWIM here personally smokes outa foil only when he is doing a Gravity bong and he uses it for the top. SWIMS parents dont buy the cheap aluminum foil and it has never flaked never chipped or anything like that. True it might be bad but for the whole 2 hits that SWIM does off of a gravity bong it couldnt be that bad.


Smoking bud outa an apple, yea i've heard of this before many a time, also a potato and such... SWIM dosent enjoy this from his friends he has heard that the bud and such tastes like starch (when using a potato) and wierd with apples. Most people around here will make an apple/potato piece and use tinfoil to keep the bud off the "flesh" of the fuit/veggie.


Muirner

[Alfa]

Itis not about flaking or chipping. You still get it in.

[Muirner]

Originally Posted by daeron

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<O:P>If the Al foil is really cheap(i mean its quality is crap-you can determine this in a following manner:if you can scrape the fine Al particles of the foil than its crap)

i just said that it wasnt like he describes it. but Alfa do u really think that doing 2 GB's that i'm inhaling that much Al?


Muirner

[Alfa]

I would not use alu foil to smoke no matter what.

[xawego]

You need to burn the alu foil with fire before you use it for smoking coke, so most toxic will burn away.
Use the dulness site for the coke, and the glossy site of the foil at the bottom which you can burn if ya smoke it.

[Muirner]

so the reccomendation is not to use aluminum foil at all period the end? xawego is providing a technique, but it dosent sound like he is pulling anything through the foil... what if i burn the shit outa it before i make the piece would it work then? or still major no go?


Muirner

[daeron]

most ofthe toxic will burn away?Yeah rightto your lungs.Dont you people get it,Al(and more importantly Al2O3) particles cant be seen or smelled or tasted.Can you see something that is less than 1/1000000m in diameter?Every time you take a hit,be it from a cheapor a filthy expencive foil you inhale a shitload of Al particles.


but hey I must be talking gibberish...so dont listen to me,have yourfun!Alzheimers galore!


Hey or better yet,why dont ya take a few good tokes from a blast furnace?

[GLOBE]

Ok simply for all you people jus save a lil bit of money and buy yourself a lil pipe of some sort its as easy as that ok good......

[thydarkprevails]

well, what if you are freebasing 5 MeO dmt and you do not want to make a lightbulb..foil and a slider work nicely, but i suppose there is the danger of the foil there...for SWIMS casual, maybe once a month use of 5 meo, i don't think it's a big deal though..