HydroMorphone (Dilaudid) Basics

[pixplzthx]

The kid around the corner disagrees. Stories have been told of a simple 1 cc solution, made up up water and 8 mg of hydromorphone, placed inside a 1 cc oral syringe and then absorbed rectally allows for better euphoria and longer duration.

You don't get a rush but TKATC seems to favor duration above all else.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by pixplzthx

The kid around the corner disagrees. Stories have been told of a simple 1 cc solution, made up up water and 8 mg of hydromorphone, placed inside a 1 cc oral syringe and then absorbed rectally allows for better euphoria and longer duration.

You don't get a rush but TKATC seems to favor duration above all else.

Just 8? SWIM will let TKATC know.
PS: Rectally allows for better euphoria, hopefully some euphoria. At least the pain is somewhat controlled orally. Have to get something to administer the "exit only" route.

[fiveleggedrat]

My cat was eating 20-30mg orally at a time, but will try the nose route next time.

It is a waste of pills, but swim is vehemently against using needles.

[Daytona71]

SWIM has the mechanical parts needed to send the Hydromorphone IV but feels the same as the cat. No way to smoke it either.

[kailey_elise]

TPIK was on hydromorphone for pain, and went from consuming 30-40mg at a time with little effect to injecting 2mg for pain relief & 4mg to by flying high. While on 60-90mg of methadone (also for pain) at the same time.

There's no comparison.

Dilaudid is NOT meant for oral consumption. It's a wonder why they make it in a pill form at all, since it's essentially useless that way. It worked orally for TPIK for a little while, but they had to go so far above the prescribed dose it was ridiculous. *sigh*

~Kailey_Elise

Originally Posted by Daytona71

SWIM has the mechanical parts needed to send the Hydromorphone IV but feels the same as the cat. No way to smoke it either.

[HRed]

I have read over and over about others mixing methadone with other opiates? I am baffled methadone from what I understand blocks the receptors that allow the rush from opiate injection or opiate highs period.

[ExperiencedUser]

There is a lot of conflicting data about the dillies in here. SWIM is no doctor but there is one opiate SWIM knows a lot about it is the dillies. Most d's are completely water soluble and have very low bioavailability when taken orally, and have about a 50 percent bioavailability when insulfated. The real gold lies in the IV.
One question SWIM does have though is why is it so hard to find a vein, they are very present on SWIMs arm but when needle goes in no contact is made with vein. The needles are 1cc small tipped insulin syringes and am thinking maybe the guage is too small?

[Donmeka]

in SWIMs opinion and experience in opiates from 15 or 14 to 20 years old, like everyone else starting from vikes and moving on up moooovin on uuuup the the eeaast siiide tooo a deeeeeluxe opiate field in the skaaaahiiiiiiiigh!!!! ROFL sorry i had to, the song came into my head as i was typing that first sentence but in SWIMs experience Diluadid is a beautiful opiate and the B-E-S-T BEST! Heroin is too expensive and black tar is the only thing available around SWIMs valley(if there is powder it is probably very hard to findd or in some city in the valley but not mine) Oxycontin is expensive as hell, without breaking the rules SWIM will just say he can get an 8mg dilaudid for 10% of the price of an 80mg Oxycontin when it comes to the prices around here.

SWIM mostly sniffs dilaudid and oxycontin(most of his opiate experience) or smokes black tar (IVed maybe 3 times max in the past and didn't enjoy much) but he enjoys dilaudid so much any way it is taken(nasal or IV for SWIM) ever since it was given to him in the hospital after a bad foot injury. maaaaan that liquid shit is fucking bananas!!!! it was like god crawled into my body and starting humping my brain and orgasmed dopamine and man did he bust 1 hard, it felt like heaven exploding in my body melting me into the entire world. the omly downside only a genie could cure is all u get is a rush and thats it

[mrsyavez55]

Well SWIM took up to 12 4mg dilaudid a day per Dr. Since that wasn't really doing much SWIM decided to IV them. Snorting did nothing. SWIM first crushed to a powder and added 3ccs of water and filtered w a cotton ball. Didn't clean it up much at all. So SWIM read about a microfilter but couldn't get any. So SWIM used nylon. Crush, add 3cc's and filter through nylon. It takes a few minutes but does come out almost completely clear and most of the filler is left on top of the nylon.
FYI, SWIM did this for two days and was hospitalized cause liver shut down. SWIM will never IV anything again. So be careful. Everyone deals different. The rush would happen almost everytime but SWIM was pushing 8-12mgs at a time. Careful.

[chichi]

SWIM has a prescription for hydromorphone hcl, 2mg tabs MFG by MALLINCKRODT. SWIM has had this in a clinical setting IV before, and it worked so much better that way. SWIM has read all the previous posts in this thread, and is curious about crushing the pills and making an IV solution. There have been many posts about filtering the filler, and SWIM is wondering if this method would work: Instead of drawing the solution through the nylon/cotton while in the spoon, could SWIM remove the hyperdermic needle from the syringe before drawing up, place the nylon or small cotton ball inside the hub of the needle, then draw the solution...then remove the needle and cotton and replace it with an unused needle on the same syringe? If this sounds too complicated, let me know, and I will try to explain it better. Thanks

[chrisdubs]

SWIM was wondering if pms hydromorphone had the same effects as just hydromorphone...SWIM wants to know what are similarities and differences.

[chrisdubs]

can anyone respond to swims post above...would be appreciated because swim does not know much about the pills that swim got.

[Friggs]

dilaudid is so hard to get.. envy!!

[Donmeka]

SWIM recently IVed 2 8mg triangles which he believes are Mallinkrodt because of the M on one side and the 8 on the other. He has IVed them b4 and also some generics which are small circular pills and the generics have worked perfectly, dissolved fine and sucked through the cotton just peachy

The M8s on the other hand when the cotton is applied to the mixture and when the syringe begins sucking up through the cotton the filter i guess it starts to stick to the cotton and stay on the spoon(or w/e u choose to use) and make it harder for the syringe to suck up the liquid.

SWIM has decided to stop IVng from now on for a looooong time but is just posting this for the sake of knowledge.

What seems to help is using a big piece of cotton(not too big, you be the judge you should know what to use) so there are more pores for the liquid to go through while the guck is sticking to the cotton.


its a great rush and SWIM is sad he has to quit opiates for good it seems as of this moment. he has too many things he needs to do and focus on this upcoming summer and school year in September.

[Omega Receptor]

SWIM had quite a bit of success IV'ing hydromorph contin. The bugger is of course the little beads. Here's how I do it. I get 60 18mg HM contin every month.

Now this is really a poor man's mortar and pestle (and will buy one when have the $$).

swim take a 12mg and pour the beads into a large tablespoon. . To crush the beads I use the bottom end of a heavy ratchet, it is heavy and the bottom is round, smooth stainless steel (you can also use a screwdriver with a round bottom but the weight of the heavy ratchet helps grind better.

Crushing the beads is where the elbow grease is required, that's why I use a heavy tool. But you can clearly see the beads before you start and when done after crushing every bead (just grind, push it all to the center of the spoon and grind and keep going until you don't hear anymore crunching beads), you should have a mixture of the crushed beads and the powder and in the spoon you can basically see any uncrushed beads.

swim then add a bit of water and crush again, this is to basically get the powder that is still stuck in the crushed beads. I myself heat the spoon to a quick boil to dissolve all the Hydromorph, although I know many say this is unhealthy. I have been banging OC's for years and that must be heated to get the oxycodone out and for sure some of the wx gets in, but when I heat the HMcontin the solution in the syringe is clearer then I ever get with OC's. If health was my no. 1 concern I wouldn't be Iv'ing crushed pills...the only totally clear solution I have ever gotten crushing pills are the 8mg dillies. anyhow, I tried not heating and maybe it was in my head but I didn't feel I was getting the full hit. I would like clarification on this part really....I have always had to heat dillies to get them to dissolve (even the generic, even though they don't go clear), I don't know why the dilaudid powder in the beads wouldn't also need to be heated to dissolve. Anyhow I heat it cause I have always had to heat hydromorphone to dissolve in the water unless someone tells me the dilaudid powder in the beads is for some reason water soluble without heat but not in any other dilaudid form I will heat my solution up. The key is making sure you have a good filter. Wet the cotton on your q-tip before you tear it off, rip of a good piece and roll very tightly.

Luckily, The needle exchange we have in Toronto gives out little cotton spun dental pellets (used for packing after dental surgery) which look like little cotton bowls, you put your needle in the whole in the middle and it fits right over yur needle tip - we can get them in different sizes).

Now here is a harm reduction tip USE A 25Guage VACUTAINER BLOOD COLLECTION SET if you can get your hands on them. I got clean for a while using methadone and then got off the meth no prob. I blew another disc in my neck and here I am at the pain clinic again. I am no longer able to poke myself anymore. I don't know why but my hands get shaky and I miss 90 % of the time).

I use butterfly IV sets that you may have seen used for taking blood. Instead of the old form of using a neeedle with a large plastic housing that they put the tubes in to take the blood once they've hit a vein, these little sets have a needle with a butterfly handle and about 6 inches of tubing. They take blood using these by poking the vein then you know your in cause blood starts coming down the tubing, then they simply put the tube by plugging the rubber tipped needle at the opposite end into the top of the tube and in goes your blood. Here's the secret ...the rubber tipped needle at the end can be screwed off and the tubing end has a lip that screws perfectly into any size syringe, obviously made to be able to take blood into a syringe instead of the vacuum tube. so you are not limited to 1cc and I can always hit my vein. this means I can use as much water as I want and any size syringe.
It also makes drawing your stuff up into the syringe easier..just hold the butterfly needle onto your cotton with one hand and draw into the syringe using my other hand or pulling on the plunger with my teeth.

If you can get your hands on thes vacutainer sets they are a godsend. I simply tie off, hit the vein, as blood slowly goes down the tubing take off the tourniquet I screw the syringe with my stuff on the the end and pull back so all the blood goes to the syring getting out any bubbles then push away and bob's your uncle. Using the butterfly IV sets means I never miss a vein. I have three sight that I rotate and it's brilliant. Luckily there is a very liberal needle place in toronto called 'the works' and as I have 'Parkinsons' and am too shaky to hit a vein they give me 8-10 a month, I get a few uses out of each one although I can make them last longer if I need to, but with a good supply I can be picky and not worry about a dulling needle.

If somwone can verify that dilaudid is completely soluble in water I'd like to know where they got the info so I can verify... I have to heat 8 and 4mg dillys in order to get them to dissolve so why are people saying it dissolves completely in water. If that were the case all I would have to do is crush the pill and put in water... but anyone who has done the non-generic and generic dilies knows that it has to be heated to dissolve the hydromporhone and make it soluble in water. The non-generics completely dissolve to a clear solution..in fact when I was a battlefield medic and PA in the military it was known that if we had to we could use these in the field if we had nothing else or needed something stronger and forward operating hospital was a long wait away we could dissolve completely also sterilizing the solution by boiling in emergency use only. So why do I need to heat these to dissolve if they are completely soluble in water at room temp? Any help in clarifying this would help. I am searching my toxicology database as to the soluble temp for hydromorph in water but am still looking.

Happy days

Omega Receptor added 84 Minutes and 24 Seconds later...

OK guys, sorry but I think the others are right about not needing to heat the hydromporphone. I just used a crisp method..heated up the beads in the spoon and they were way easier to crush, then some water (damn I can hardly write this ) to get all the powder out of the crushed pills and just added water, stirred up a bit and sucked it up..I can barely keep my friggin head up and am trying not waking up with qwerty on my forehead. but no need to heat the water...I'm a believer if I try...remember though I washed it about ten times using about 9 cc's of water altogher..would just fill the spoon with more water and suck it up into the 10cc syringe...add another few cc's and stir and suck it up. Using those vacutainers are a godsend...

Anyway, I have a date with some some hallucinations (up here in Canada SWIM gets legal medical cannabis it's called an Authority to Posess card or ATP) So I can buy it and the place looks almost like a bank but cooler, with booths to go into and make your order..excellent BC Bud, nothern lights, bubble gum they put the shit under a microscope and test thc content before selling..you can buy tincture for your tea, cookies, butter, cooking oil, cannabis pills -REAL ones not the prescription nabalone or marinol which sucks and even cloes for $5 each) and I can buy as much as I want up to an oz a day. I could only afford this once but they also sell 99% pure honey oil at $85/gram.. one little needle tippied dollop dripped onto a pipe with some ash in it or bud if you want and you are off to the moon...honestly crack isn't my drug of choice but its the closest THC equivalent to the rush you get from crack...the gram lasted me nearly a month and sent me to the mood every time...and being a long time smoker it's been a long time since cannabis gave me the giggles..I was by myself in bloody stitches...well off I go, I'll let you know when I land.... but I am happy COLD WATER WORKS and I dont have to boil the hm contin and deal with the powdered water crap..trying to suck up thrugh a cotton swab takes 20 min it feels as the crap plugs up your cotton ball and you have to keep adding another one on top of it. Geeze I am higher than stink and would never have thought I could use cold water...happy happy jpyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy joyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy oh man
gotta go..where the fuck am I gonna go...I am gonna keep sittin at my desk and smoke a bowl, then .shit I still have no where to go but my couch to nod in front of the ..am I typing dubbleeeeeee

shit, I'd better lie down...

happppy days ervybuddy

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[pixplzthx]

I don't know if I an allowed to post this, but here is a video showing how to use the vacutainer collection system.


Note: Best because it shows you what it actually looks like. The rest of the video is just on to protect yourself from the used needle.

[tisanemaster]

SWIM will get dillies tomorrow but they have expired about 1 year ago.

Good or bad?

[Wehr]

Just like swiBeltane swim was having problems IVing the dilaudid pills. Would have alot of crap left in the bottom of the spoon and wouldn't catch any kind of buzz off them whatsoever until a friend finally showed swim how to do it properly, and boy did they work great! Here is what swim did:

Crush pill as fine as possible in the spoon
Add cold water (do not use heat)
Mix it up with the plunger until it's just a white liquid
Drop in cotton
Suck up with syringe while continuing to mix until it's all in the syringe.

There was virtually nothing left in the spoon unlike before and swim got one hell of a nice rush. Swim loves those things now!!!

Hope this info helps those that may have had trouble getting those to work!

[paragoric]

swim would gladly shoot dillies that expired only a year ago..pg

[HRed]

In the US SWIM has seen #2Dilaudid orange round #4's yellow round #8's white triangle each has a P on one side with the mg. on the other, the #8's I was told by my local pharmacist where discontinued and only generic Hydromorphone 8mg. round with a 8 on one sife and M on the other...all as far as I remember could be crushed to powder dropped into a 1cc insulin syringe add about 35units of hot water shake n shoot ooooh lovely relaxed feeling from back of neck down to the rest of the body. SWIM can remember a time when they had #1 #2 #3 #4 and #8's,the 1's where green, the 3's where a purplish and the others remain the colors mentioned above.

[Daytona71]

Did SWIM get the switch? SWIM is prescribed non-generic hydromorphone but these 8mg. tabs are milky when chrushed with water added, quite a bit ofjunk left after use. Bottle says made by Knoll b ut tabs have P & P on the back side with 8 on the other. Since when does Knoll use P & P to identify their products? THX

[pixplzthx]

Originally Posted by Daytona71

Did SWIM get the switch? SWIM is prescribed non-generic hydromorphone but these 8mg. tabs are milky when chrushed with water added, quite a bit ofjunk left after use. Bottle says made by Knoll b ut tabs have P & P on the back side with 8 on the other. Since when does Knoll use P & P to identify their products? THX

I thought that Knoll was a division of Abbott. The do put a (funny looking) "a" on the flipside, twice.

[Donmeka]

SWIM losst count but it about to IVE 40-48mg of Hydromophonr IE 5-6 8mg pills.

[ullyeus]

I just wanted to add a general compliment here to everyone that has contributed to this thread...while much of the information was confusing overall (especially towards the end) I found it very useful.

[ness33]

How does dilly compare to oxy? Swim's tolerance is starting to slowly increase and oxy does the job but it takes a large amount. almost a whole 80 to put him where he wants to be when sniffed.