HydroMorphone (Dilaudid) Basics

[Modulus]

hi everyone, SWIM is new and I'm hoping someone can help me out with a question ...

IHe has 2 2mg hydromorphone tablets (small blue with a 2 on one side and a 3 on the other) and wondering if it's advisable to take both at once (4mg total) for pain relief or just one.

Any help is appreciated.

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I don't think the above is clear enough... I want a nice warm and fuzzy feeling. Take both (are they truley what I think they are?) or one? I've taken other pain meds on occasion but not enough to build a tolerance I don't think. I'm 6'1" and weigh in at about 220 lbs. The only reason I ask is because I hear different opinions that these are super strong bad mofo's or that a 2mg tab won't do diddly.

Thanks

[Donmeka]

although SWIM doesnt really condone smoking pills he has to say smoking diluadid off foil gives a heavy head change that SWIM couldnt believe at such a low dose (maybe 2mg or so possibly less) he would not suggest making this a habit but would reccomend giving it a shot if one is curious.

[Donmeka]

SWIM has tried 12mg plugged (anally) and 8mg intranasally and has had for the past 4hrs great sedation and quite nice euphoria.

SWIM did not experience any rush w/ the anal route but he layed on his stomache for about 20-30 minutes and 10-30 minutes later insufflated 8mg.

He believes if a rush was supposed to be accompanied by the anal route, it did not happen to SWIM because he did not insert the needle less syringe too far out of fear of sticking things in his bum.

[Daytona71]

The anal route will allow a smaller amount of the drug to be used due to the many more blood vessels available in that region. Any rush is from IV use. SWIM believes hydromorphone is considered to be the next best thing to herion.

Will someone familiar with both please either correct SWIM or describe the difference. SWIM has a large amount of this med and takes 24mgs. orally a few times a day for pain relief. Many years of narcotic use have done away with any euphoria.

[Sklander]

25mg is A LOT of Hydromorphone.

SWIM became quite experienced with this drug via rectal use. 12mg Hydromorphone in the anus is sufficient to cause the warm and fuzzy to the maximum. Be careful with this drug. It is extremely potent.

4mg nasally for a first time user is enough. Go from there. You can always do more, but this shit will stop your heart if you do too much.

Rectal use of this drug is HIGHLY recommended.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by Sklander

25mg is A LOT of Hydromorphone.

SWIM became quite experienced with this drug via rectal use. 12mg Hydromorphone in the anus is sufficient to cause the warm and fuzzy to the maximum. Be careful with this drug. It is extremely potent.

4mg nasally for a first time user is enough. Go from there. You can always do more, but this shit will stop your heart if you do too much.

Rectal use of this drug is HIGHLY recommended.

PLEASE heed the advice to be careful. SWIM has tolerance that skews SWIM's perspective on what is a safe amount. There is no warm and fuzzy or any other feeling other than pain relief for SWIM so the amount taken can be even higher than stated without effect. Always be smart and be safe! Don't mix meds either!

[JaWill88]

how does IV hydromorphone compare to IV heroin? anyone done both? swim had a huge habbit of IV heroin for quite a while and its gay. fuck physical dependence. sorry but swim just hates it. anyways, has anyone done both and can compare? swim has IVed morphine and oxycontin and they both really suck compared to heroin. they just cant even compare.

[crunchyblack]

Swims says the first time is the best time. The rush is great with hydromorphone but it doesn't last too long maybe an hour or so and it will make your tolerance go up alot if you use it alot. Sniffing is ok if you have low tolerance but like everyone said injection is the idea method. Oral does nothing. Swim only ever had the Mallinckrodt 4's (off white round pill with M on one side 4 on the other) The K4's made by Abbot were discontinued I believe but were the best to shoot (less harmful fillers).

[ilikesmypills]

a buddy of mine came across a few 2mg dilaudid with the K. he's never booted anything before but he wants to now. he's got a pretty good idea how to break em down and boot em up but he could use some more detailed instructions on the entire process. thanks.

[myfavoriteaccident88]

there are a few things i wanted to say in this thread... first being that anyone that is doing 20-25mg of hydromorphone orally is completely wasting their pills. youre hardly gonna get any effect, no rush, useless.. Hydromorphone should only be IVed in swims opinion.

However swim does not get dilaudid pills anymore, instead he gets pure powder medical grade dilaudid. Which swim strongly recommends for those looking to SAVE YOUR VEINS! and get the best imaginable rush from this amazing compound.
Pills are so fucking dirty and they destroy your veins.

Swim loves this stuff alot more than oxy, but only recently, for the last few years swim took alot of Oxycodone orally, and loved it. But then started injecting the 80mg oxys and the shit fucking felt wierd, it made him feel dissociated, swim will never inject another Codone product. Morphone products are meant to be IVed, codones are not.

For the guy who asked about first time IVing Hydromorphone. Well swim guesses if you have a pill and not powder. Do this.

Get a syringe, Swim recommends 30 gauge 1cc 1/2" insuling syringes.

Put the crushed pill or hydromorphone powder in spoon.

Add 50cc's of water. Heat under with a lighter till it boils for about 5 seconds or so.

Using the top of the plunger mix the pill or powder around. If you have pills you will probably have leftover shit. Dont worry.

Get a clean q-tip and roll up a small cotton ball. Add this to the spoon, uncap swiy syringe and put the needle into the cotton, slowly suck up the solution till you have all of the water in ur syringe.

Turn the syringe needle-side-up. Flick it a few times to get bubbles to go to the top, then plunge the air out so u only have your water solution in their and no air.

If you have rubbing alcohol swab your injection site first. Then tie off with a belt or something, find the vein, insert the needle at a 45 degree angle and once u feel like ur in the vein, pull the plunger back and if you see blood flood in the syringe, your in the vein! Now slowly press the plunger down till there is no solution left, then take out the needle and unwrap the belt.

Now the fun begins! youre gonna feel a tightening in your chest, and then almost immediatly, a complete relaxing of your entire body. Reminds swim of the pins and needles from a morphine rush, except morphine is up the spine, Hydromorphone u feel in the chest.


As far as good rushes swim would rate the following if IVing:

Heroin
Fentanyl
Hydromorphone
Morphine

Everything else sucks, unless you can get Oxymorphone which swim believes is just below heroin, only did it once but it hit hard!


As for overall euphoria after the rush swim would rate:

Heroin
Morphine
Hydromorphone
Fentanyl


Fentanyl fucking sucks on euphoria.

So if you have a chance to get these chemicals swim would suggest it, Heroin beats all, no question. But morphine and Hydromorphone are the only great substitutes for heroins rush.

[deltakilo]

Originally Posted by myfavoriteaccident88

Add 50cc's of water. Heat under with a lighter till it boils for about 5 seconds or so.

Heating will destroy the hydromorphone and will aid only in further dissolving the dangerous fillers/binders into the solution, which will wreak havoc on SWIY veins upon injection.

Hydromorphone will dissolve into cold water very quickly and easily, there is absolutely no need to heat it. Anyone injecting pills should be using a micron filter to further remove the fillers/binders from the solution.

[JaWill88]

swim has 2 4mg dilaudids is about to try and inject them.... now! lol. will let know how it was although swim isn't expecting much.

[JaWill88]

it's about two hours later since swim posted swim thinks. anyways swim has injected heroin for a long time but has mostly given that up. anyways earlier today swim ate 2mg clonazepam like usual for anxiety and swim noticed wether he takes it or not it doesn't have much effect on what opioid swim is using. anyways earlier today swim snorted two 4mg dilaudid (hydromorphone) and didn't really notice anything. although it was at the same exact time as the 2mg clonazepam so that may have possibly effected it. but either way it was very weak so swim wasn't expecting much from IVing these as he used to use heroin at least 3 times a day every day for a long time. swim has these white, round, scored pills with M on one side and 4 on the other as swim has seen them before many times but never done hydromorphone till today. well swim crushed them up to a very fine powder and put them in a spoon. filled a 1cc 5/16" rig with water and squirted it all over the powder to saturate it. swim mixed it up quite well and there actually wasn't too much crap left. just some white spots of powder and thats it. swim then broke off a small piece of cotton and sucked it up. it got up most of the pill there wasn't too much residue left in the spoon. so anyways swim proceeded to register into a vein (which is near impossible these days as he has completely destroyed his veins) and pulled back on the plunger to make sure, then of course pushed the plunger back in. swim has injected hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, and some others swim can't think what else right now and they all REALLY SUCK compared to heroin. none come even slightly close. in fact swim finds some of the rushes unpleasant and dysphoric, the opposite of what he should feel. and morphine takes a long time to come on compared to heroin. now let swim tell you... before swim was even done pushing the plunger in, he was FUCKED. as in fuckin bomb. extreme euphoria and all that good stuff that comes with a good shot of heroin. this felt way more like heroin than some pharmaceutical opioid. this shit hit quicker, and harder, than heroin. that's quite and accomplishment. although swim must say he still likes heroin better as the rush is a little more euphoric and it definately lasts longer, way longer. no doubt about that. but hydromorphone is without doubt the BEST pharm opioid out there for injection. it is a beauty. swim just thought he would tell his first couple hydromorphone experiences that were in the same day. hope this is an okay thread for it. if not one can move swims post. thanks. hydromorphone is and A+. way better than any others, at least for intravenous injection.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by JaWill88

it's about two hours later since swim posted swim thinks. anyways swim has injected heroin for a long time but has mostly given that up. anyways earlier today swim ate 2mg clonazepam like usual for anxiety and swim noticed wether he takes it or not it doesn't have much effect on what opioid swim is using. anyways earlier today swim snorted two 4mg dilaudid (hydromorphone) and didn't really notice anything. although it was at the same exact time as the 2mg clonazepam so that may have possibly effected it. but either way it was very weak so swim wasn't expecting much from IVing these as he used to use heroin at least 3 times a day every day for a long time. swim has these white, round, scored pills with M on one side and 4 on the other as swim has seen them before many times but never done hydromorphone till today. well swim crushed them up to a very fine powder and put them in a spoon. filled a 1cc 5/16" rig with water and squirted it all over the powder to saturate it. swim mixed it up quite well and there actually wasn't too much crap left. just some white spots of powder and thats it. swim then broke off a small piece of cotton and sucked it up. it got up most of the pill there wasn't too much residue left in the spoon. so anyways swim proceeded to register into a vein (which is near impossible these days as he has completely destroyed his veins) and pulled back on the plunger to make sure, then of course pushed the plunger back in. swim has injected hydrocodone, oxycodone, morphine, and some others swim can't think what else right now and they all REALLY SUCK compared to heroin. none come even slightly close. in fact swim finds some of the rushes unpleasant and dysphoric, the opposite of what he should feel. and morphine takes a long time to come on compared to heroin. now let swim tell you... before swim was even done pushing the plunger in, he was FUCKED. as in fuckin bomb. extreme euphoria and all that good stuff that comes with a good shot of heroin. this felt way more like heroin than some pharmaceutical opioid. this shit hit quicker, and harder, than heroin. that's quite and accomplishment. although swim must say he still likes heroin better as the rush is a little more euphoric and it definately lasts longer, way longer. no doubt about that. but hydromorphone is without doubt the BEST pharm opioid out there for injection. it is a beauty. swim just thought he would tell his first couple hydromorphone experiences that were in the same day. hope this is an okay thread for it. if not one can move swims post. thanks. hydromorphone is and A+. way better than any others, at least for intravenous injection.

Did the poster before asking about 40mgs. of oxycontin causing a nod even read this post only a few above? This should tell a bit for an answer to whether 4mgs. would be a good thing to do.

[Daytona71]

SWIM tried the instant route with an experienced associate doing the job, 8mgs. and not much but a warm feeling. SWIM is sure that the associate did not mix the powder and water very well and did not use any heat as this and other threads on generic Hydromorphone say DO NOT HEAT! SWIM has a tolerance as morphine, methadone and the hydro are daily usage items along with valium, Ambien CR(sorry don't know chemical name but it is for sleep) and Dextroamphetamine along with an SSRI.
Perhaps in the future SWIM will try again and report the effects. Just as a referrence point a 100mcg. patch eaten is the only way SWIM feels anything euphoric, supposedely that is a decent dose and it does work for a short time. Since the Hydromorphone was added later in SWIM's condition there is no way of gauging how it would have been before the tolerance set in. 30-40mgs. eaten does nothing but relieve pain. SWIM has heard of Hydromorphone being called pharmeceutical heroin with street prices being unbelievable high for 2mg. tabs and that must have been from IV users.
SWIM has posted about the lack of weuphoria with the D-aps and feels the number of different chemicals and the time of use has changed SWIM's reaction and perhaps he should eliminate some of them for a while to see what he can achieve?

[e$pe]

I just wish it wasnt such a "do it once,twice and tolerance GETS HIGH, HIGHER THAN YOU!" rx but it is a godsend = ) m4z rockin swimsworld!

[kg21dmx]

SWIM has the M4 pills, oblong brown ones with Ethex and 30 imprinted (was told it was morphine), and Methadose 10's; all of which have been taken orally but none have produced much of a desirable effect. All of the above posts advise to inject but SWIM is extremely scared of that method. Is there any other way to get great results from any of these without using injecting? Also, what seems to be the most euphoric dosage amount (SWIM is of medium height and build with high tolerance to OXY but little experience with morphine).

Thanks for any help!

[SnakePlissken]

SWIM tried a 4mg Dilaudid for the first time today. He took half orally and snorted the other half. SWIM has a very low opiate tolerance. For a long time after that SWIM was completely relaxed and had a very good day. SWIM and his girlfriend want to try injecting it.

[Daytona71]

SWIY does not appear to have nearly the experience to do what was stated and does not know what this substance can do. It is up to 8 times as powerful than morphine. The same amount SWIY took in the other manner suggested would likely put SWIY in the hospital. Maybe worse. This medication comes in 1mg. tabs as it is that strong. Nasally it is 50% bioavailable and orally about 30% with an IV being 100% that 4mg. What got into your system was about 1.6-1.75mgs. Rather slowly also. Multiply that by more than double, actually triple and with a nearl immediate response, not wise. Be smart and be safe.

[OzzBozz]

SWIM's Magical fish would like to know if 4mg's ( the small, white round pills with a 4 and M ... the ones on in the first post of this page ) IV'd would be too intense if SWIM's magical fish nods hard off 40mg's of oxy???? What's a good dose? Is it true that SWIM's magical fish shouldn't heat these pills up in the spoon???

[Daytona71]

Read this thread from the start to finish and take notes. Also do a search. Hydromorphone is 8 times as strong as Morphine and there are comparisons of one medication to another. One could also buy the latest edition of a PDR and reseach there also. SWIY says that Codeine is more eurphoric than Oxycontin and SWIM says Codeine is for kids. Everyone reacts differently especially when some amount of tolerance is involved.
Start low and have the fish be here for another day to try a bit more rather than have it flushed down the toilet, magical or not.

[OzzBozz]

^ SWIM got a little sleepy and never read this page.


SWIM's magic fish now knows what to do... SWIM's magic fish will most likely IV 2mg's as this seems like a sure safe dose with good effects. SWIM's magic fish wonders if IV dialudid OD's are common? From what SWIM's magic fish has read, it sounds as if the rush is the most intense part ... after that it seems like it mellows out. Jawill's post cleared things up for SWIM's magical fish


BTW, SWIM's magical fish is still confused as to whether or not SWIM"s magical fish should heat the pills up once mixed in the spoon, different posts are saying different things. Does SWIY have a straightforward answer as to whether or not to heat the white "M4's" in a spoon with water??

[radiometer]

Not really much of an opiate user, Eddie sat on a few 4mg dilaudid tablets for a long time. The moment seemed right last weekend. He is not too keen on insufflating substances, however an earlier trial with 4mg per oral was pretty much a waste of time and hydromorphone.

4mg insufflated + little opiate tolerance (presumed, due to chronic kratom use) = a very pleasant time for Eddie and spouse, they even nodded a bit. YMMV.

[Daytona71]

Originally Posted by radiometer

Not really much of an opiate user, Eddie sat on a few 4mg dilaudid tablets for a long time. The moment seemed right last weekend. He is not too keen on insufflating substances, however an earlier trial with 4mg per oral was pretty much a waste of time and hydromorphone.

4mg insufflated + little opiate tolerance (presumed, due to chronic kratom use) = a very pleasant time for Eddie and spouse, they even nodded a bit. YMMV.

Stated above that orally Hydromorphone is about 30% bioavailable and nasally it is 51% so that is about 40% stronger the way that worked well. Most likely quicker to reach max peak also.
Please remember all, be smart and be safe.
SWIM has been on many medications for many years due to many surgeries and has had some poor experiences by mixing and ading to the directions and is now looking to try being free from these and see what that is like as SWIM does not remember but has a vague memory. 3 years clean and sober in nearly 40 years.

[Daytona71]

Triangular 8mgs. now, 10/day or 12/day. OK for pain relief but SWIM is not into the IV thing. Little to no experience, too bad these cannot be smoked like some smack. Insufflating is better due to the extra bioavailability but still about the same for euphoria, none!