HydroMorphone (Dilaudid) Basics

[Beltane]

SWIM just got his hands on what he's relatively sure are Dilaudid 4's. They're fairly small, white, have a capital "M" on one side and a '4' on the other. He's eaten and snorted them, neither of which did much for him. He going for IM, IV or both and has some questions. I think these are generics, does that mattter? For IM/IV just crush them up fine, mixed w/ distilled water and shoot? if there a heating or filtering process required?
SWIM has crushed and mixed w/ distilled water already. He's gone w/ and w/o heat. The liquid always seems to be milky white and when sucking it up through a cotton filter he says there's usually a large amt. of precipitate left. Also, the couple times SWIM has IM or IV'd these, nothing real impressive happened.

Thanks for any help-
- B

[bigt]

in canada the ones SWIM got had a pms on one side and 8 on the other because they where 8s...water crush heat and put through cotton did leave alot of junk left because i hear there is alot of talc powder in them..
worked like a charm for SWIM but he also got of on sniffing or eating them if you did enough but IM or IV was the day to go with these opiates

[Beltane]

So as long as SWIM crushes them good, heats well and draws thru tight
cotton filter he can expect to see a lot of stuff left behind and still
know it's good to go? I'll assume yes from your answer, and
thanks-



- B

[bigt]

yeah man.. sometimes SWIM would eat the leftovers but its mostly filler and tastes rank...
YOU CAN ALSO ADD MORE WATER AND RE COOK ONCE AND YOU WILL GET A BUZZ OF IT THE SECOND TIME

[Beltane]

Cool, I'll try that. I've just been throwing it out, but then I'm
not turning out to be a huge fan of the stuff. Still think I'm
doing something wrong.



What's the halflife on dilaudid?



How long would SWIM have to go completely without to get the best "rush" off the next hit?



And finally, how much water does one need to dissolve one dilaudid
4? Since SWIM is now doing 2 of these at once, he's wondering if
1CC is a big enough pin.



Thanks-



- B

[bandido]

add a half a match head of blow to it and c how awesome it feels!if ya add too much blow you fuck the buzz , trust me I I to accept that myself, if you do a small enough amount of blow with it it feels as you did 5 times amount of opies, takes a bit of fine tuning for u and batch of white.

[jimdandy]

They aren't dilaudid. 4's are tiny andyellow and have no markings or numberson them, and they mix up clear when heated, needing ony a bit of heat. actually you dont even need to heat them, crush em up and mix in water. stop putting holes in yer arm for no reason.

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[MrJim]

This is dilaudid.





This is codiene 60mg, APAP 300mg





There is definitely room for some confusion.Edited by: MrJim

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Shocking comparison

[bandido]

not like any d I have ever seen in 12 years of doing them

[blacktoothgrin]

Originally Posted by MrJim

This is dilaudid.





This is codiene 60mg, APAP 300mg





There is definitely room for some confusion.Edited by: MrJim

greatest post in history
not to any benifit to myself or swim
well theres alot swims out there so maybe

but you deserve a freakin award

here it is


*Award of master minded brilliance*

[deltakilo]

Originally Posted by blacktoothgrin

greatest post in history
not to any benifit to myself or swim
well theres alot swims out there so maybe

but you deserve a freakin award

here it is


*Award of master minded brilliance*

One time SWIM IV'd what he believed to be 4 mg of dilly and felt like absolute dog $#¡† for a few days, it's likely that SWIM IV'd T4's. F! It's all so clear now.

[Beltane]

Yeah, SWIM's are the ones on top and they're messy to get mixed with water. Heat's definitely required.



- B

[snave2222]

Old post, but I receive these same meds and don't want anyone to get the wrong method down. Mallinkrodt sp? 4 mg hydromorphone. The only thing you need is a rig, a filter, a spoon, a mortar or even a small rhinacort bottle for crushing, some type of card or razor to scrape, and maybe 80 units of warm (not hot water) in a sterile glass or receptacle and rubbing alcohol to make sure things are clean. Hydromorphone is completely water soluble. Using hot water will cause the filler to dissolve and you'll end up injecting filler into your veins.

My method:

Clean everything with the alcohol: Injection site, spoon, glass, card or razor. Allow everything to dry. Get a piece of clean paper. Fold it in half. Crush the pill with the mortar as fine as possible. Put the powder from the paper in the spoon. Fill your rig with 40 to 50 units of warm water. Dissolve as much as possible in the spoon with this much water. Take the filter (In my case I use a sterile very small very tightly rolled piece of cotton, about the size of small pea) drop it in the solution. Then take 20 to 30 more units of water and dissolve again close to the cotton to get as much of the soupy-filler away from the filter as possible. You want filler far away, liquid close to the cotton. Stick your rig in to the filter (I use 1 ml rigs) . Draw it up, flick the rig to get all of the air bubbles to the top. Plunge to get rid of the air bubbles. Stick rig in at 45 degree angle to main line, pull back, make sure you've got some blood in there and then depress the plunger. Wonderful rush. Better than H in my opinion, but not as long lasting.

Cheers,

Snave

snave2222 added 11 Minutes and 28 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by ExperiencedUser

There is a lot of conflicting data about the dillies in here. SWIM is no doctor but there is one opiate SWIM knows a lot about it is the dillies. Most d's are completely water soluble and have very low bioavailability when taken orally, and have about a 50 percent bioavailability when insulfated. The real gold lies in the IV.
One question SWIM does have though is why is it so hard to find a vein, they are very present on SWIMs arm but when needle goes in no contact is made with vein. The needles are 1cc small tipped insulin syringes and am thinking maybe the guage is too small?

I don't have any experience with insulin syringes, but is the vein rolling maybe? Are you sure you're not hitting an artery? You want a vein, do not hit an artery.

snave2222 added 1 Minutes and 16 Seconds later...

This is a good starting point for finding veins.

snave2222 added 9 Minutes and 22 Seconds later...

Originally Posted by kg21dmx

SWIM has the M4 pills, oblong brown ones with Ethex and 30 imprinted (was told it was morphine), and Methadose 10's; all of which have been taken orally but none have produced much of a desirable effect. All of the above posts advise to inject but SWIM is extremely scared of that method. Is there any other way to get great results from any of these without using injecting? Also, what seems to be the most euphoric dosage amount (SWIM is of medium height and build with high tolerance to OXY but little experience with morphine).

Thanks for any help!

Olympic back stroke gold medalist would slowly snort the hm if some aquatic athlete doesn't want anything to do with needles. OBSGM would subcutaneously inject into the fat of back of the arm or stomach fat around the belly's happy trail if needles are okay. Greg Luganis would shoot it into the shoulder muscle if subcustaneous is too pussy a method.

[Daytona71]

Nice instructions but what does "I" mean? Reread the rules so SWIY does not get a reprimand so soon. No self-incrimination not allowed.
Really, good instructions. Is there any mixing or did SWIM miss that? THX

[fiveleggedrat]

Swim would like to state putting 2mg orange Dillie's in a lightbulb vape did nothing but produce a plastic/cotton candy tasting smoke that was smoother than expected. The pills themselves melt, bubble, and expand. Also produces too much smoke to hold all in. Hard to scrape clean. He did not try more than one pill, though. Also tried with lorazepam pills, same thing, no effect, so pill fillers might be to blame. They tasted the same.

Also, this particular swim has NO tolerance other than natural, eg, plenty high off 4mg hydromorphone snorted, or 20mg hydrocodone oral, 10mg methadone oral, just so SWIY know SWIMs response is not from tolerance.

SWIM would like to know, have any SWIYs put dillies or any type of hydromorphone pill for that matter in, say, a bowl of marijuana/tobacco/whatever in a bong/pipe/bowl and smoked with working opiate effects?

[Daytona71]

SWIM is a bit jealous at SWIY's non-tolerance and likely euphoric events with these mentioned meds. SWIM is eating 2 eight mg. tabs and snorting 2 eights at a time several times a day and is lucky to get pain relief let alone anything else. 40mgs. of Methadone on top of that and 25mgs. of morphine delivered through a pump/cathater to SWIM's spine/brain 24/7.
20-40mgs. of a stimulant are needed to keep SWIM awake driving a vehicle as that is the only time nodding takes effect, just like a baby!

[black-shores]

Originally Posted by Beltane

Yeah, SWIM's are the ones on top and they're messy to get mixed with water. Heat's definitely required.



- B

in correct... cold shaking is actually the best way and most potent. swiy does that only .... maybe with the wash he'd put a LITTLE heat to it... and it's great.

[bcStoner420]

I thought they made generics with some filler so they couldnt be abused, at least not IV or IM. Mabey thats just oxycodone though im not sure. Also the white liquid your seeing is the fillers in the pills, you definatly do not wanna be shootin these. If your gonna do it filter em as many times as you can with the cotton/whatever your using to hopefully get a large amount of it out. I dont remember what it is but there is some other pad used for filtering things that works much better, if im not mistaken. About the halflife of it, that i dont know but from what ive heard the rush is suppose to be greater than that of heroin but much shorter lived.

[hav0c]

Dilaudid is meant to be injected. Generics or not, doesnt matter.

There was only 1 generic OxyContin made by Teva that was injection-proof. It would turn into a gel when mixed with water that was impossible to shoot. This is the football shaped, green 80mg OxyContin with 93 imprinted on one side, 33 on the other.

All the other generic OxyContin's are fine to inject.

[u4ic]

Swim tried an experiment to see if the diluadids he had could me slammed. Had the m 4's and another one of forgotten imprint both gelled. Heard the ones you can slam have a k on them and are referred to as k4's. Also diluadid will not come up in a standard opiate test.

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Diluadid WILL show up in a opiate/drug test!!!

[Stan Mar5h]

Info: Those are Dilaudids. They are not generic; it is incredibly hard to come upon generic hydromorphone.

Advice: First, intramuscular injection is stupid on every level. Infection is very possible, and the effects are minimal. IM is only effective with steroidal type drugs, and muscle relaxants ("cyclone" cyclobenzaprine). Intravenous is the way to go with morphine derivatives, like hydromorphone. Second, since they're pills, you should buy a pill crusher to turn it into powder easily. Pill crushers are available at any pharmacy. Dilaudid is freely soluble in water, so a simple filtration method can be applied here. Then, shoot up and enjoy the effects. To avoid nausea I recommend lying down for the initial onset.

[kailey_elise]

What do you mean, it's incredibly hard to come by generic Dilaudids? I would assume it depends on the insurance of the person you're getting it from, unless it's ripped off directly from the pharmacy.

A friend of mine is prescribed Dilaudid for pain, tiny blue 2mg round tablets, and he couldn't get the non-generic if he begged his doctors. *rolls eyes*

The blue 2mg ones seem very waxy; heating makes the water turn blue (but clear), not heating doesn't seem to do anything but make mud, no matter how pulverized they are beforehand.

Others I know say that it's next to impossible to find any name brand items.

So maybe it's a geographical thing. ;>

~K.Elise

Originally Posted by Stan Mar5h

Info: Those are Dilaudids. They are not generic; it is incredibly hard to come upon generic hydromorphone.

Advice: First, intramuscular injection is stupid on every level. Infection is very possible, and the effects are minimal. IM is only effective with steroidal type drugs, and muscle relaxants ("cyclone" cyclobenzaprine). Intravenous is the way to go with morphine derivatives, like hydromorphone. Second, since they're pills, you should buy a pill crusher to turn it into powder easily. Pill crushers are available at any pharmacy. Dilaudid is freely soluble in water, so a simple filtration method can be applied here. Then, shoot up and enjoy the effects. To avoid nausea I recommend lying down for the initial onset.

[Bernie Runns]

First start heating a glass of water in the microwave get it pretty hot. Find an old drinking straw and cut it in half. fold this straw in half and put the whole pill in. fold the other end of the straw to trap the pill. now take a lighter or something and crush the pill in the straw. great, now pull the plunger all the way out of the rig, and carefully deposit the fine ,and i do mean fine, powder into the rig. replace the plunger and draw up about 10 to 20 units of the hot, and the hotter the better, water.now pull the plunger back to get a little air in there. now shake the living shit out of it , take a look, is there still bits floating? shake it some more. if there is a fine powder left after a minute it ok . now push the air out and run the rig under some cold water from the faucet. now get ready for the ride. its safe and there is no waste. enjoy

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[bandido]

Originally Posted by Bernie Runns

First start heating a glass of water in the microwave get it pretty hot. Find an old drinking straw and cut it in half. fold this straw in half and put the whole pill in. fold the other end of the straw to trap the pill. now take a lighter or something and crush the pill in the straw. great, now pull the plunger all the way out of the rig, and carefully deposit the fine ,and i do mean fine, powder into the rig. replace the plunger and draw up about 10 to 20 units of the hot, and the hotter the better, water.now pull the plunger back to get a little air in there. now shake the living shit out of it , take a look, is there still bits floating? shake it some more. if there is a fine powder left after a minute it ok . now push the air out and run the rig under some cold water from the faucet. now get ready for the ride. its safe and there is no waste. enjoy

not the plan!shake in the rig method I was told by a dr. that is danderous(as are all pills iv) dangerous to the lungs and eyes, other than generic, they mix up clear anyway, even generics can just be heated , a tiny bit then use cig filter and what is sucked up is see through and powderless, seriously dont go threw all that work to just make it more danderous than just grushing and adding 60 units, filter and jam er home.

[raven3davis]

SWIm has recently been introduded to this drug and it is wonderful. SWIM actually got hydromorphone in 8mg pills. The pills were pretty big and they were white. When you broke up the powder it looked to be a good 200mg. The pills were about the size of an average xtc pill. There was only 8mg of hydromorphone in the pills so the pills had A LOT of filler. SWIMs friend loves to shoot the stuff up. SWIM is no expert on IV and neither is his friend. Honestly, SWIM wanted to shoot it but fears these are not meant to be injected. There is just too much filler.

Here is what his friend does though. He puts the pill in a spoon and adds water. He mixes it up and "cooks" off the impurities. SWIM is unsure how well this works but the liquid comes out to be clear. Then he gets cotton and sucks the liquid out of the cotton. Then he sitcks it in his arm and injects it.

SWIM snorted 16mg and was high as a kite. Such a nice opiate buzz. SWIM enjoyed it more than oxycodone. It doesnt feel as good as heroin but it comes pretty close. The high is just so clean. The only unpleasnt thing is having to snort the whole pill. These generics have a lot of filler and SWIM normally has to break it out into two lines. It stings a bit but in about 3 minutes you start feeling in in your chest. A slight pressure starts in the chest and slowly moves to the rest of your body. You feel warm and euphoric. 16mg is plenty to nod off for SWIM. SWIM is unsure of the stregnth of hydromorphone compared to oxycodone but 16mg hydromorphone made swim feel better than 80mg OC.

The high lasted for a while also. A few hours of intense nodding followed by a pleasnt feeling through out the rest of the day. Later that day SWIM snorted another 8mg and was feeling good. SWIM definitely prefers 16mg at a time though. 8mg is a good amount for him to start but the intense effects come at about 12mg for swim.