Rate drugs on a scale from 1-10

[vhalin]

How would your monkeys & marmosets rate certain drugs on a scale from 1-10?





For mine its


alchy: 3


weed: 4


xtc: 8


dxm: 7


coke: 7


No combos allowed combos feel too good.

[dr.gonzo]

Weed - 1 (nowadays, it just makes swim really sick and paranoid)
Dxm - 6
Coke - 9
Ecstasy - 6
Alcohol - 9
Mushrooms - 5 (I usually like to know what's going on)
Lsd - 6
Meth - 7 (would probably be higher if it werent for the terrible come-down)
Codeine - 7
Hydrocodone - 9
Benzos - 10
Heroin - 10
Oxycontin - 10

[sands of time]

Swim says...

Weed: 7.5
Pharma amphetamines: 8
Pharma opiates: 6
Ritalin: 3.5
Kratom: 6.5
MDMA: 9
Coke: 7
Salvia: 5
Ayahuasca: 5.5
Mescaline cacti: 6.5
DXM: 2
Methylone: 8
Tobacco: 1
Alcohol: 5
Mushrooms: 7
Benzos: 6Edited by: sands of time

[ambrosius]

SWIM says:


Alcohol: 5/10 (eh...nothing special)


Opiates: 5/10 (something's missing)


Weed: 4/10 (boring by itself)


Shrooms: 6/10 (not enough of a mindfuck)


LSD: 8/10 (only good in large quantities)


Coke: 5/10 (productive, but too short acting)


Crack: 4/10 (WHEEEEEEEE!!!...where'd my money go?...)


Salvia: 6/10 (Bizarre and fun, but not very recreational)


DXM: 5/10 (if it weren't for the obligatory vomiting fit)


X: 8/10 (would be 10, but it loses its magic)


AMT: 10/10 (I miss you )


Meth: 8/10 (Wow...what a crash...)


Ephedrin: 6/10 (Icky crash)


Given the list, any recommendations for SWIM? He's currently waiting on some 2C-I to experiment with. His favorite thing the effects X has on music.Edited by: ambrosius

[pokeymcsmot420]

Nicotine- 0/10 does nothing for swim, if anything the buzz is negative.


Booze- 3/10 Swim doesnt really like the buzz at all (its so cheap feeling), but its gotta get at least 3 cuz its always there and its the first choice for most in time of crisis.


amphetamines- 2/10 Swim finds no recreational value in amphetamines but gives them 2 because they serve a purpose when you need to stay awake for hours.


meth- 3/10 basically same as amphetamines but with a much stronger rush and perhaps a sense of power.


DXM- 6/10 personally swim is not into to DXM whatsoever it just isnt his thing, however I have to give it a good rating because its easily obtainable and psychedelic, pyscedelics lead to insight and peoples perspectives changing for the better. Wish I enjoyed it myself.


mushrooms- 8.5/10 swim has had some of the best most beautiful times of his life on shrooms. he considers them verry euphoric and insightful with little downsides. I reccomend everyone trip in with one week of reading this.


coke- 5.5/10 unbeatable high, but very shortlasting and the comedown greatly outweighs the buzz.


E 9/10 beautiful drug, one of the best ever, would give it a ten except you burn out on it and its so hard to find a pure tablet.


opiates. 9.5/10 very good feeling, makes you greatly content and comforatablewith everything, no bigcrash, about everything you could possible want. just WATCH OUT FOR ADDICTION, without that it would be a 10


marijuana. 10/10 the bread and butter of the drug world, the building block of healthy drug use. IDK i could ramble here, but i love it and everyone knows the shit.

[ashuricci]

SWiM dot understand how people dont all rate weed at 10 as an all rounder its more of a life style than a drugs


any way


Hash: 10


Skunk: 10


Grass : point less 2 me


LSD:9/10 couldnt really do it every day like weed (hence 9) but isnt so much a drug as the closest thing to the answer ( or more questions)


alot more natural feeling inside than shrooms but slightly grogy and weird....and sore back ??? any of u get that when u coming down


Coke:9 great if use correctly (too moreish so ), a tiny but empty on the inside not natural feeling ( a shit load more than speed but still has that feeling inbetween lines, and get bored abit too quickly nd expencive otherwise would be higher


shrooms: 5 free and uncontrollable and will always have a yearly supply here but grogy and dirty and not as controllable as acid, why shrooms when there is acid?


alcahol:6/7 very funny and loose and socialably aceptible so is always a good one just makes me a worse person than normal when the rest make mebetter


Exticy: 7/8 the first feeling amasing then after awhile your body doesnt react aswell ( pills in my area are shit and havnt done enough pure md so cant comment properly)


laughing gas: 6/7 funny as fuck great on pill a bit groggy if done too much trips are nuts all gas trips are nuts just gasses are dogy but some of the crziest trips have been on gas and (coming in and out of conciousness) the only ones if cant trell if im tripping or not ( acid i know im underthe influence)


vallies are always good to bring u down


and havnt tried dpt enough to comment, but has any body elce done it ? did u get really really deep ears?

[sands of time]

ashuricci, not everyone reacts the same with a given drug. Marijuana has been known to cause paranoia in some people, and not everyone enjoys the hazy, confused state it can put you in.

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So very true, good observation

[ashuricci]

yeah i do know that sorry for seeming closed minded i was more joking than anythign elce just most drugs feel like you have another chemical in u slightly wrong on the inside were weed is deep and natrual to your body mine atleast maby no in the head there is paranoia but surly part of the lession is weed is to learn how to controll your own mind not to be paranoid surely thats were most people learn from drugs in there mission to try and be normal then u really question what normal is

[ocean moca]

Swim has limited experience but says:
Weed5 to 8
mdma10
mushrooms 3 to 5
caffeine4
alcohol*3.5
blue lotus2
salvia3 to 8

All this depends on swim's dosage and intention, trust and resistance at
the time.
Values are based on how close to being at one with the vastness
of Being.

Noticed San Pedro is hardly mentioned. Why is that?
Edited by: ocean moca

[Bajeda]

DMT - 10
Cannabis - 9.5 (10 for hash, 8.5 for weed)
Alcohol - 6
Salvia Divinorum - 3
LSD - 8
Psilocybin Shrooms - 7
Amanitas Muscaria - 7.5
Nicotine - 2
DXM - 8
MDMA - 10
Amphetamine - 4
Heroin - 2
Opium - 7.5
Other Narcotics - 4
Benzodiazepines - 1
Sinicuichi - 6 (swim's still experimenting with it)
LSA Seeds - 6.5
Cocaine - 3


Definitely forgetting some stuff, but thats what came to mind as I wrote this for swim.

Its interesting how one's rating or liking of a particular drug can change with a single experience though.

[Bajeda]

I love how different everyones' answers are. Its like music, its extremely hard to find people with the exact same tastes, and most people have pretty different yet diverse tastes.

It would be cool if there was a special type of poll where you could input the rating in for each substance so the total average rating of the drug by the forum would show up.

[Forthesevenlakes]

oxycontin - 10 (it gives more than it takes)
fentanyl - 10 (only person with a religious experience on an opiate. maybe he has temporal lobe epilepsy?)
mushrooms - 10
temazepam - 9
dxm - 9 (kind of leaves swim with more of a mechanical/inorganic feeling than mushrooms)
hydrocodone - 8
diazepam - 8
lorazepam - 8
clonazepam - 8
mdma - 8
alcohol - 7
alzaporam - 7
sodium barbital - 7
morphine - 7
marijuana - 6
buprenorphine - 6
ephedrine - 6
cocaine (powder) - 6
codeine - 6
adderall - 6
nitrous oxide - 6
carisoprodol - 6
heroin - 5
cocaine (crack) - 5
methylphenidate - 5
secobarbital - 5
kratom - 5
tramadol - 5
propoxyphene - 5
loperamide - 5 (sure, it doesnt cross the triple B, but it works wonders for the WDs!)
methamphetamine - 4
gabapentin - 4
caffeine - 4
cyclobenzeprine - 4
lsd - 4 (but it may be time to try it again at a different point in swim's life)
ketamine - 4 (but done during a long dxm run. maybe now swim would enjoy it more)
nicotine - 4 (it takes more than it gives)
salvia - 4
hydromorphone - 4 (why didnt it work for swim? even in high dosages?)
propranolol - 4 (no psychoactivity but works wonders for social anxiety)
kava - 2 (maybe didnt hit a high enough dosage)
ether - 2 (same as kava...)
sertraline - 1
butane - 1
diphenhydramine - 1
acetaminophen - 1

so, whats left for swim to rate? he asks. then swim thinks, ah, all the 2c's, methylone, the fentanyl analogs that no one is actually making, and the holy grail of quaaludes.

EDIT: wow, swims tried alot of things, and most of them are pharmies. and this is only about half his actual 'what has swim done' list. but he needs to jump into that psychedelic realm a bit more. he's ready, for sure.

[Nicaine]

Thanx forthesevenlakes, SWIM forgot that he's done morphine .

BTW, why is Temazepam so high up on SWIY's list? Is it a massive euphoria thing or something? SWIY seems to show a strong preference for the down button on the elevator, that's for sure.

[Forthesevenlakes]

yeah, swim had some major euphoria not characteristic of a benzo with temazepam. same goes for versed, whichever that one is. he has a pretty good distinction between different varieties of opiates and benzos and has distinct tastes in each department. swim almost forgot he did morphine (probably 50-100 times too!) and had to edit that one in last minute.

[eniacoc]

First post here. SWIM says hello

Coke (snorted): 8 - Excellent! but if SWIM thinks, it's a waste. And SWIM means purified, not direct from the dealer's bag.

Coke (freebase): 10 - This bitch tops the score. Love and Hate.

Coke (IV): 9 - SWIM hates the holes, so only 3 times have been done, else it would be 0 and 15 at the same time. Better than the top but worst that the lowest...

LSD: 1 - six years ago was 10 but a really bad situation sent it to the base of the scale. Dangerous shit to play around.

Mushrooms: 6 - easier than LSD but it frightens SWIM because of its similarity.

Hash: 2 - Was 7 but now it makes SWIM paranoid just as the next one

Marijuana: 4 - ...that was 7 but also makes SWIM paranoid, but less than hash.

Alcohol: 5 alone, 8 with snorted coke. Cocaethylene is bad for u though...

MDMA: 8 - but SWIM hates the crash else it would lead the score

Ketamine: 6 - very cool on low doses, on high doses reminds SWIM of LSD and he starts to freak out

PCP: 2 - WTF is this? only had a bad temper, which was cool but deserves no more than this score!

Speed: 8 - Best thing after coke. SWIM wished it was easier on the body

Ephedrine: 7 - Same as above

Nicotine: 1/10 - It's so natural that SWIM can't score it.

2-CB: 4 - SWIM can't be around too many people. Otherwise it's cool.

[Sklander]

10/10 - Weed - Weed is the greatest drug ever. You can never go wrong with smoking a fat spliff of some good grass.
10/10 - DMT - Simply amazing.
10/10 - LSD - A test of your psyche.
9/10 - Mushrooms - Natures Candy.
8/10 - MDMA - Would be a 10, but it looses its magic after prolonged use.
6/10 - Alcohol - Legal... Would be lower if it were illegal...
6/10 - Opiates - SWIM hasn't IVed Herion, so his point of reference isn't all there...
4/10 - Xanax and other Benzo's - Great for calming you down in a bad situation like with LSD or Mushrooms, but SWIM doesn't see much of a fun factor with these chemicals. You can't beat a Bar if you just WANT IT TO STOP!

[Fantasian]

DMT - 9 = Woah fuck, not much else can explain it
MDMA - 9 = Pure Intense bliss woah, comedown makes it drop one
MDA - 8.5 = Slightly decreased pure intense bliss lol
Strong opiates - 8 = Nothing matters, you feel great especically when IV'd but the withdrawal pulls it down 2.
Mushrooms - 7.5 = Hit your mind with a train for 7 hours and see how the world looks.
Weak opiates - 4 = Mildly pleasent buzz but sickly the next day
Cannabis - 4 = Tiredness and stonedness, alright but pretty boring and not that euphoric
Ketamine - 4 = I imagine jumping into a big hole while spinning would feel similar
Cyclizine (&other delirents) = 4 Get your big brass balls and Live out a nightmare!
Benzodiazepines - 3 = annnnnnnnnd sleep! Wake up 20 hours later wondering what happened
Alcohol - 2 = feel sick and get tired, wow what a drug
Nicotine - 1 = Get a headache and err.. um..

SWiF cant think of others atm but is pretty tired.

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Love the descriptions!

[nwpsychonaut]

According to SWIM

~Stimulants~
Methamphetamine: 8.5/10

Cocaine: 9.5/10

Crack: 9/10(better for swiy to make themselves than buy, very fun)

Adderall: 9/10

Caffeine 2/10

Concerta: 7/10

~Hallucinogens~

Mushrooms(psilocybin): 9/10

DOB: 9.5/10

DXM: 6/10

Diphenhydramine: 5/10

Coleus Blumei: 3/10

Salvia Divinorum Fortified leaf: 9/10

Morning Glory Seeds(LSA): 8.5/10

~Opiates/Opioids~

Heroin: 10/10

Hydrocodone: 6/10

Oxycodone: 7/10

Propoxyphene: 5.5/10

Codeine: 5/10

~Various other pills~

Valium: 6.5/10

Clonidine: 3/10(swim has always on hand incase of stimulant emergencys)

Trazedone: 5/10

Wellbutrin: 2/10(swim didnt like it, made him feel empty but intensified THC)

~Other shit~

Cannabis:6/10(gets old now thats swims explored other drugs, but its always there for him when times get rough)

Hash: 7/10

Alcohol: 4/10(swim is not a big fan of alcy)

Kava Kava Extract: 4/10(relaxing but not much)

Dust-Off: 3/10(too bad for swim to be worth it)

Diethyl Ether: 4/10(also very bad, DEVIL ETHER)

Nicotine: 2/10(worthless but addicting)

MDMA: 9/10

[Omelet]

Nicotine: 1/10, bleh.

Alcohol: 6/10, It's nice on occasion, but if you do too much, it's just gross feeling...

Weed: 9.5/10... completely rounded, the perfect drug... the only problem is that it smells, so you can't do it in a public restroom or the like...

Morning Glory: 2/10... nasty stuff, and it barely had any trippy effects at all.

DXM (robotussin): 4/10... SWIM only tried it once, and it wasn't enough to get CEVS, but it was more than enough to make SWIM vomit.

Psilocybin: 8.5/10... a truely excellent drug, but it's not something SWIM could see himself doing all that often.

Anonymous Research Chemical (sold as mescaline): 7/10... This was pretty fun, SWIM felt like time slowed down and he couldn't fully comprehend most of what was going on around him... I'd still like to know what the hell this actually was though...

[chAos]

mushrooms 9 (hawaiian/Mckennai 9.5, colombian 9, mexican 8) Best thing swim ever crossed The only reason this didn't get a 10 is because swim still has to try DMT and lsd
weed/hash 8: nice to do every day
XTC 8: very great feeling but swim rather sees colors
DOI 7 (i'm not really sure it was that ) To long upcoming and to long in general, nice CEV's but no mind-fuck like from mushrooms.
Absinth 6: like alcohol but funner, only it always ends with me being really, really wasted
DXM 5.5: It was very fun, but it isn't swim's kind of drug.
Alcohol 5: Although i have done really stupid things on alcohol, it's still a heavy and fun drug.
Wild lettuce aka laurette opium 4: A plant and a downer, not really my thing, then i rather smoke a good joint, that get's you lazy to.
Salvia 3: Swim didn't get enough effects out of it, but he might try it again.
glue 2: it kills your mind and you feel a little bit drunk or so
Nicotine 2: Only fun when really drunk.
Nitrous 0: Swim doesn't see the fun in a minute of sweating and ultra fast heart beats.

[Each Hit]

marijuana - 9.5: the only drug swim can enjoy doing every day. a nice relaxing high that helps swim float through anxious moments. it also can really boost many other substances, especially psychedelics. marijuana is the one drug swim likes to always have on hand.

alcohol - 4: an occassionally fun substance, although swim has been known to get hangovers that have him in bed most of the next day. still, on average, swim has at least one beer a day.

nicotine - 2: when first using or after a period of not smoking, these have a pleasant effect. this soon diminishes and the smoking becomes a way of relieving cravings rather than a pleasant experience in itself.

cocaine - 6: enjoyable for a short while. the price of this drug and swim's come downs ruin it for him, as they significantly outweigh the always-too-brief positive effects.

mdma - 7: this used to be swim's weapon of choice, but swim was young and stupid and sort of burned himself out on mdma. having not used it in almost 3 years, perhaps he would rate this higher if he did it again and in better moderation than the past.

dxm - 5: potentially fun, but a bit too hollow feeling for swim's taste, especially at higher doses. lower, less hallucinogenic doses can be a fun sub for alcohol.

shrooms - 7: can be a light fun trip or a mind blowing journey. swim's last experience was a tough one, and he is due to try these again now that his mind and life are at better points.

2c-i - 8: one of swim's favorites. enjoyable visuals, musical enhancement, mild euphoria, and relative clear-headedness in a trip that will generally not be overwhelming on the psyche.

2c-e - 8.5: while not as "fun" as 2c-i, swim finds this substance more rewarding on a larger scale. better visuals and music enhancement than 2c-i with a mild euphoric element, but a bit more psychological alteration to swim. the most enjoyable hallucinogen he has been able to successfully try to date.

swim doesnt feel like going through all the prescription pills. they tend to average between 3 and 5 for the most part, anyway.

[Inphectamine]

Marijuana: 5/10: nothing more then an amusing passtime realy. DOn't get me wrong, SWIM likes it, but some how can never shake the fealing that he's wasted a bunch of time.

Alcohol: 4/10: preaty much the same deal as with cannabis, fun while it last but isn't realy that interesting. Hangovers bring it down a notch on the scale. Regardless, SWIM drinks it often.

Nicotine: 2/10: SWIM smokes alot and has never realy figured out why... stupid drug.

MDMA: 9/10: SWIM loves it, just wounderfull! SWIM uses it frightfully selldom.

Amphetamine: ?/10: SWIM thinks it's hard to put a grade on it. While the effect is quite pleasent the "hangover" is hell. SWIM dose not forsee and need to ever use it again.

Cocaine: 3/10: Pleasent exprince, to short of an effect, way to expencive, shitty hangover, why bother.

LSD: ?/10: not enough data yet to asses. SWIM has tried it twice but was very drunk (stupid) and the acid was weak (lucy for SWIM) both times. However it intreges SWIM greaty and warents further trials under better condicions.

LSA (HBW): ?/10: Mixed bag. SWIM tried twice, wounderfull at first but both times it took a turn for the worse. SWIM will not try again yet it has caused him to become very intreged with "real" psychadelics.

[I love shrooooms]

Pot = 9
Shrooms = 8.5
Salvia = 6
DXM = 7
Coke(SWIM only had it once laced in a joint, didnt have enough to get a proper "buzz") = 4
Alcohol = 8

[El Calico Loco]

Here are some of my friend Swim's opinions:

2C-E - 11
The most healing chemical Swim has ever taken. He calls it "To Seek Experience". It gives great visuals and powerful insights. It has made him a healthier and happier person. This one goes up to eleven.

Cannabis - 10
It took swim some time to learn to appreciate this one. It's great for chillin until he overdoes it and has an anxiety attack (which is really out of character for him). Great for potentiating other chemicals, especially psychedelics and DXM. He's found it good for sex as well. The only drawback is the temporary loss of reason.

DXM - 9
Euphoria, amazing seven-dimensional visuals, out-of-body experiences, and the recovery of lost, dissociated memories. Sad that it's harmful if done too often.
Swim calls this one "The Dextrous Master".

5-MeO-DMT - 9
There is only one word to describe this substance, and it rhymes with "TRUCK!!!". It's incredible, but not something he desires to take often.

Ethanol - 8
Swim's oldest drug buddy. It's noxious in large doses (and obnoxious in the wrong person), but he still loves it. A great social lubricant in moderation.

2C-I - 8
Great body high, great sex, and some useful empathic revelations. He calls this one "To Seek Insight." Sadly, he fears it might be a little toxic if taken too often.
The jitters and stiff muslces are unpleasant, but he generally feels good enough to not care.

Tobacco - 7
Bad for him, but he loves it. He sometimes thinks he should quit, but he really doesn't want to. He loves to puff and watch the smoke rise lazily to the ceiling.

2C-C - 7
Stimulating and relaxing, low body load, good visuals, some insights, and a pleasant afterglow. The short duration is great for those nights when he wants to trip just a little. Too much (above 40mg) can lead to jittery discomfort.

Diphenhydramine - 7
A wonderful chemical, but only for its on-label uses. Best antihistamine and antiemetic around, and a decent sleep aid. NOT recommended for it's psychoactive affects. Too much toxicity for too little result. Swim says to take DXM instead if you want an OTC trip.

DiPT - 6
This one was interesting and fun - no visuals or psychedelic thought processes, just a whole lot of weird audio affects. Johnny Cash sounded like he had a lungful of nitrous; Elizabeth Frazier sounded like an anime robot girl. He's still experimenting with it, so can't give it a fair rating just yet; his initial impression is that it would be fun once or thrice but grow old quickly. He wonders about combining it with something more visual.

N2O - 6
Great for calming down or giving a trip a temporary boost. Goes well with almost anything. It can get old when used with pot (because the flanging just. never. stops!).

Benzos - 6
Calm and pleasant, but also addicting and bad for the body and mind. He takes one or two once in a while to help him sleep or come down.

Melatonin - 6
Good for sleeping, incredible for dreaming.

Methamphetamine - 5
Swim found meth to be a calm and mellow high. He liked it, but he also likes his teeth, so he avoids this one.

Kava kava - 4
A decent mellower, but makes his liver twinge. That can't be good.

Valerian root - 4
Decent mellower and sleep inducer, but it stinks to high heaven.

Crack cocaine - 1
Want to turn into a babbling asshole for half an hour? Want your pulse to pound in your ears and your heart to feel like it's about to explode? Smoke some crack.

Vicodin - 1
Euphoric, but it made swim sick as a dog. He supposes it could have been the acetaminophen...but he took only the recommended dose and still puked. Feh.

Swim has been busy this year. He really wants to try the more traditional chems, like LSD, Shrooms, peyote, and MDMA; RCs are just easier to get.


ECL

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	good summing up
	Very helpful and informative

[Oi Oi Random I Am]

Marijuana - 10 Like a friend that's always there

XTC - 8(5) 5 because of after effects

Vicodin - 6

Epedrine - 6

DXM - 9

Tobacco - 2

Caffeine - 2

Beer - 9

Liquir (sp?) - 6

Ketamine - 7

Salvia - 5

Adderal - 5

Swim still hopes for lsd or shroom supplys to re-emerge in his area, well shrroms recently reappeared but is awaiting good time/funds