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Old 27-02-2009, 15:59
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What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

mod edit this post was merged here from another thread ~TF~

SWIM find 2C-I to be an interesting compound in this regard, but certainly not anything revolutionary.

SWIM would describe the effect as rather amphetamine-like, easy to get on a train of thought and work on it - but - your brain lacks a certain sort of "filter" that would typically discard ridiculous crap. Some of the time this comes out interesting (I once wrote a few pages outlining a rather interesting numerical simulation that I really should try) but other times you'll do the standard ramble of bullshit that has consistent logic connecting each point, but lacks a larger structure.

Someone described it to me as taking a journey from one side of the country to another - most of the time we use highways (logically consistent locally and globally). Or, we could pick a random location, drive there (logically consistent locally), pick another location, drive there, repeat as necessary, and eventually get there (not logically consistent globally).

So - SWIM find 2C-I allows you to "wander" more without having your brain have a "backseat driver" asking you why the hell aren't you taking the highway. Sometimes you find beautifully interesting little villages you would have never otherwise found. Other times you just see tumbleweeds and waste your time.

One important thing - SWIM has only ever explored this within the framework of mathematics. This provides a built in limit which ensures your conclusions reflect some degree of truth. If you decided to write an essay in English, I would suspect the quality would not be quite as good or interesting.

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Old 14-01-2010, 00:20
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What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM can't get any adderall and thought about modafinil but read that 90% of it gets eliminated by the liver and that it is weak to say the least.

So SWIM has been looking for a Research Chemical that might be able to do the trick for late night or extended study sessions to improve SWIMs alertness without also causing him a clouded mind.

Does any SWIMMER out there have any ideas or suggestions as to which Phenethylamines or stimulants are available that might have helped others with extended study sessions. SWIM is looking for something that doesn't require alot of redosing or have a bunch or horrible side effects. Any ideas SWIMMERs?

SWIM thought about mdpv, low dose 2c-d, or mdppp but doesn't think these are suitable; so is there anything out there at the moment? Any suggestions?
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Old 14-01-2010, 00:46
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM would say that none of the widely available RCs are particularly suitable for this role. Even RCs of the stimulant variety tend to be 'spacers' rather than 'sharpeners'. At low dosage SWIM thinks these are still unlikely to be performance enhancing. They might give creative thought a boost, but the creativity will tend to run off at tangents. This makes it unhelpful for something that requires a high degree of focussed thought such as studying. None of them really boost attention span either, quite the opposite in fact.

SWIM thinks that modafinil and the classical stimulants (amphetamines, methylphenidate) are still by far the best suited for this role. They are only really suitable for occasional and moderate use though, and tolerance builds very quickly. SWIM has previously used modafinil to good effect to let him break through the wall for some particularly arduous learning experiences. SWIM would probably continue to use it on occasion had it not been for an idiosyncratic reaction to one dose which left him with the distinct impression he'd just had a heart attack. Wouldn't recommend the use of any stimulant beyond caffeine for revision sessions though - adequate sleep is critical for commitment to memory.

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Old 14-01-2010, 01:09
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Turtles does remember Shulgin mentioning several times in Pihkal that certain substances seemed like they would be great for work/study. Sadly he has no ideas which ones off the top of his head. This may well have been an "initial impression" and who knows if it would be born out with furthur research. He also seems to remember these statements being made in regard to the lower doses, and he thinks in at least one case, with a substance that never panned out in higher doses.

He knows several people that use herbals for such purposes (though not which ones other then the classic ginkgo right off) so maybe a similiar topic in one of the herbal subforums may bear fruit.
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Old 14-01-2010, 14:42
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

I think he was talking about 2c-d .... or was it 2c-c as well ? think there was some low dose study ideas on this....
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Yeah, SWIM believes it was low dose 2c-d like 10mg that is suppose to have some kind of smart component according to Shulgin but not for subjects of a mathematical nature that are more problem solving in nature and more of a smart component to it in subjects that require creative thinking or writing, philosophy or something along those lines, according to others that experimented with it and related their thoughts on the purported smart component of 2c-d. Which is why SWIM did pick up some 2c-d but hasn't experimented with it yet. SWIM is still on the lookout for something that might give him an edge on studying any subject though.

SWIM hopes in the future that there is an RC that is comparable to adderall or even better perhaps one day. An RC smart drug would be awesome. Of course SWIM is still open to suggestions on this one.
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Old 15-01-2010, 12:15
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

They are not really RCs,

but SWIMs Smartduck mentioned that Piracetam + Cholin could have a saddle effect, even though someone can't really feel the effects, except the enhancement of other drugs. The smartduck played with Piracetam for about a year, is not fully sure what it did, but there are for sure some test, where smartduck don't have clue how she passed it.

Other than that Ephedrine is an easy available choice,its not very friendly on the heart, but for only several days a year someone might take the risk.

The only real RC that comes SWIM to mind is Desoxypipradrol....
Dangerous Stim indeed, hard to find the right dose. But if you don't get a headache from it, this one might be interesting....

Modafinil is the one, that I would love to try. maybe the day will come

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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Swim is interested in this thread aswell.

Buphedrone seems like it could be a good option. I will have more to say after some monkeys test the substance in the near future. Anyone else agree/disagree?
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

^^^LOL@RoboCop. SWIM just tried to wipe his avvie off her screeen:P


To the OP: SWIM doesn't know about the research chems, but she, personally, finds Provigil extremely helpful in maintaining alertness and giving her the ability to retain the information at the same time. And, since its not really considered amphetamine based it's much more easily obtained than Ritalin/Adderall--which docs are leary to write for college students without a documented history or extensively evaluation and testing.

She also finds that studying in 30-45 minute increments and then taking a 15 minute stretching or chore break whilst thinking about one just read helps to get that information processed better into long-term memory/recall. As does the use of silly little things like making a song out of things there's no way getting out of learning except by rote memory(just think of all the lyrics to songs we retain in our heads even years after not hearing them--SWIM read somewhere that it usually takes 7-10 times listening to a song to remember the lyrics). She also sometimes makes up word memory prompts by making new acronym out the the first letter of things that need recalling later.

Studying before bed also helps put things into long-term memory. There's something in the sleep process that makes it easier for our brains to do this. SWIM also find that, for her, something about the process of reading the textbook first, and then re-reading while making a good outline of the material is invaluable in later recalling information for exams. Sometimes about it going in through the eyes and out through the hand really makes multiple choice especially ridiculously easy for her.

There have also been studies that show b-complex vitamines(essential for nerve conduction and cognitive function--not just B12 but a good complex), Omega-3 alpha linolenic acid(its a mood enhancer as well), Vitamin D, antioxidants (flavoniods, tannins, pheolic acids and stillbenoids) particularly from the darker fresh fruits), Iron, co-enzyme q-10, and tryptophan. Also, keep in mind that many vitamins and minerals rely upon others in order for the body to effectively metabolize and put them to good use. Those are all things SWIY may want to explore further. SWIM finds several very helpful and actually takes b-complex via IM scipt by her doctor.

SWIM also never takes an exam without copious amount of Juicy friut gum(for the sugar) and a Pepsi or two for the caffeine(but she's a caffeine junky who lives on Pepsi anyhow:P
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Old 20-01-2010, 01:29
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM started wondering about this one too.. Ethcathinone. Have any SWIMMERs felt a clear-headed stimulant effect off of this one rather than the clouded thinking some have reported experiencing on some of the other cathinone derived or based stimulants?

SWIM is looking for a research chemical that is a good decent lasting stimulant that leaves SWIM with a clear mind so SWIM can study long hours on it. SWIM has his hopes up for a RC that somewhat mimics adderall to surface someday. Or at least a Research Chemical that is real close to the smart drug effects without a bunch of side effects. Do any SWIMMERs think this will ever come true for SWIM?
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Old 20-01-2010, 01:54
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Rcs probibly wouldnt help focus as much as they will enhance creativity, so not effective as purly "study aids"

Noo-tropics are the way to go for swim

hydregineI(sp?), an ergot dervitive, is an effective congnitive enhancer, but is only avil online from mexico

pircitam has been mentioned, and is great, i like a coctail of 2gms (2000mg) of pircitam with 10mg vinpocitine. taken daily for best resualts

if your intrested in Rc type studying, swim would also recomend L-typtophan, it directly converts into seratonin after it cross the bbb

The closet Nootropic to come close to a classic stimulant is PEA( Phenethlyamine), in and around 500mg swim feels it is BETTER then adderall, for euphoria and concetration, as well as enhance the other nootropics, and is markedly less methy

swim says nootrpoics are good by themselves, but are better in mixtures
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Old 21-01-2010, 01:18
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM found this online...

5HT2A agonists such as LSD and 2C-T-7 have been shown to produce nootropic effects when used at a dose much lower than a hallucinogenic dose.

(e.g. 10 μg for LSD and 1 mg 2C-T-7, 1/25 of a normal recreational dose)
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Looks to SWIM like there is one nootropic RC, at least purported to be, 2C-T-7...at the 1mg dose level per day perhaps, according to an online encyclopedia site.

Only problem is that 2C-T-7 seems to be scheduled in several countries.
For those whose country it is still legal though SWIY could give it a whirl as a smart drug; see if a low dose of 1mg or maybe perhaps a little higher like 2mg depending on SWIYs body size or weight, did the trick.
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Old 21-01-2010, 02:47
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

ah yes- 2c-t-7. Believe that one made the cover of Rolling Stone back in the mid/late 90's. It was associated with a number of deaths, and got scheduled in many countries due to all the publicity... Sad, it was an interesting one according to turtles aardvark.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM did not know it made rolling stone...Also when SWIM first acquired some he was unaware of it killing anyone.

SWIM remembers trying to get some 2CT2 back in the day but found out it was illegal SWIM believes so SWIM went for the 2CT7 instead.

SWIM experimented with 2CT7 only once when it was legal back in 2002 when SWIM managed to get his hands on some; SWIM recalls it being referred to as blue mystic back in the day. Eyeballed a smallish dose - probably not smart but SWIM was kind of careless back then. Got some slight GI discomfort at first but then a very relaxed stimulated state came over SWIM and there was very nice color enhancement and some slight persian carpet style visuals when closing SWIMs eyes with it is mostly all SWIM really remembers; oh and SWIM also remembers becoming very alert and lucid, having a noticeable raised body temperature and became extremely talkative. SWIM wishes he would've had more time to play with it before it got scheduled.
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Old 22-01-2010, 21:49
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM has a friend who low-dosed (approx. 8 mg) 2C-D while studying for the LSAT. The dose didn't change the way he felt during studying, but when he took a practice test the next day, his score rose dramatically. SWIM's friend has since done this for other exams as well, with 2C-D markedly improving retention of studied information.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Swim has a gram of Ethcathinone waiting for him at the post office this very minute for this very reason. Swim thinks that it could act as a study aid very similar to, but with lesser effectiveness than that of amphetamine. Swim thinks that since it produces alot less euphoria than amphetamine, but with nearly the same norepinephrine effects, the chemical would be more effective at getting swim to study. Amphetamines make swim want to talk to people and do alot of things first, and then study after the initial rush is gone. Without this rush at all, ethcathinone has the possibility of making swim far more productive than it's cousin chemical. This is purely speculative though, but tomorrow swim will know if his theory is plausible... Swim will post back tomorrow.

tycon69 added 1192 Minutes and 9 Seconds later...

This is Swim's report concerning ethcathinone:

Swim received a small package in the mail containing 1 gram ethcathinone as well as one gram bk-MBDB from a reliable RC vendor. Swim does not have a scale, but was very reluctant to "Eyeball" 50-100mgs of fluffy white powder out of a gram, so he took it to work with him in the laboratory. The only scale in this particular lab is a little old and difficult to use. Swim toyed with it and finally got it to calibrate out the weight of his pill bottle. Swim then takes his pill bottle and fills it with an unknown amount of powder to measure. Comes up 36mg. He tries again and totally overdoes it with a total of 138 mg. A third try produces 107 mg. While this is a possible dose, swim felt he should try a little less for his first try, but as he gets the small packet of powder out to empty a certain amount from his pill bottle, a graduate student walks in and sets up shop at a computer about 25 feet from the scale. Trying not to look suspicious (but being stupid as well) swim peels off the paper from his pill bottle and throws it in the garbage. When he finally gathers the courage to try to measure again, he realizes that the paper from the pill bottle would mess up the reading. So his attempt to look unsuspicious just makes him look stupid as he then has to scramble through the garbage to get every little piece of paper out, lol.

Finally, however, swim gets all the paper into the bottle and goes to weigh out the chemical. He gets a measurement of .049 grams... Perfect. (Note: in actuality his dose could have been a little bit more because he is not 100% sure he got all of the paper back in the bottle, but he got most of it).

Swim then proceeds to pour the powder from the pill bottle under his tounge. He then washes it down with water. His tongue would feel numb for the next hour or so. (Note: Plant food should never be consumed and I do not condone those who do.) 5 minutes later, Swim feels that everything looks different. 15-20 minutes later when swim is driving home (Note: Don't drive!) he feels as if he is overanalyzing his driving to a great extent. He feels that every turn he makes is either too sharp or too close to the edge. Swim then gets to his room and is eager to wright this report. After publishing this, swim feels that it would be alot of fun to do physics homework, lol. Swim feels that he was correct in his assumption that this would be similar to amphetamines, but without nearly as strong of a euphoric rush. Swim does feel happy, but not necessarily euphoria. Swim also feels as if he is the oppisite of hungry. If there was a word to describe being repulsed by the thought of food, swim would be just that.

Swim is not one to write long posts or even to write experience reports at all, but the ethcathinone made him really want to as well as made him really enjoy writing a long and eventful post concerning his experience. Swiy should give this stim a try if he/she wishes to experience a mild-moderate amphetamine "high" that is ideal for studying/writingpapers/carryingonnonsencefullyonforums. Lol. Good luck to all. Stay safe. Stay smart. Stay informed.

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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Well, the answer is fiction, but heres my say on the topic.

I read that OP was skeptical of modafinil and that its possibly weak, which swip would not know for sure. However, its way too expensive to consider. Adrafinil, on the other hand, is great for study and has a better price range. It depends what swiy is looking for though. Thinking in terms of methylphenidate, thats an edgy stimulant that can lead to agitation, or over-stimulation to a swip. At higher doses, its more of a toy and not a tool used for focus. Adrafinil is very calm but focused. Its very hard to find something like that. In a sense, I think that would be what one is looking for; calm-focus.

As I run from left-field here, swip can tell you another great candidate is low dose 2cp studies. 3 out of 3 times, a low dose of <5mg proved to be a striking drug for focus. It even surpassed adrafinil studies, because of a slight difference. cp had more of a drive or will to work(study) whereas adrafinil was a calm-awake. A thought of "one can study because I feel refreshed, but not too interested," was perceived on Adraf.

swip has found cat derivatives to do little for one's focus so far, but he has not dived deeper in to the more exotic ones like ethylcat or buphedrone, because I do not see a future.. They seem to be just CNS stimulants, making sex a prime subjects. and Once thats there... well, we're back at square one.

Currently, my random animal is experimenting with hydergine. This has proved very curious. Not quite like adrafinil, he says. Its like a curious-calm. He seems to have a higher cognitive ability and can think clearer, but still can be tired and sleep. Clarity is the key in hydergina. If clarity is whats strived, this could be a good place to examine. Not quite sure on memory retention. He said its still in trial, but sees promise.

The only 2ct7 death I read of is trivial. you shrug at the death. High doses of Ephedrine the day of and before, followed by a research chemical, 30mg insufflated!. I dont know, maybe swip is the loner for seeing that as foolish. However, it is scheduled and should not really be considered.
"Looks to SWIM like there is one nootropic RC, at least purported to be, 2C-T-7...at the 1mg dose level per day perhaps, according to an online encyclopedia site."
- What about Lazar's studies on 2cd? That structures was documented pretty extensively on nootropic effects.

Either way, swip thinks it all comes back to low dose phenethylamines being an interesting place to explore. However, its mostly hearsay and has to be titrated personally. Hope that helps.
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Adrafinil, on the other hand, is great for study and has a better price range. It depends what swiy is looking for though. Thinking in terms of methylphenidate, thats an edgy stimulant that can lead to agitation, or over-stimulation to a swip. At higher doses, its more of a toy and not a tool used for focus. Adrafinil is very calm but focused. Its very hard to find something like that. In a sense, I think that would be what one is looking for; calm-focus.
SWIM has tried adrafinil, and found that it works well for what it is marketed for: keeping SWIM awake at a time when his body tells him to sleep. It will keep him awake and coherent for a minimum of six hours after his normal bedtime. Beyond that, though, it doesn't work. 24 hours past normal bedtime, SWIM still falls asleep.

SWIM has tried adrafinil for focus and concentration during normal waking hours, and found it lacking. He just can't detect that it does anything. He has tried 300 mg (one pill), 600 mg, and 1200 mg. 300 and 600 mg don't do anything that he can detect. 1200 mg makes him feel edgy and 'overcaffeinated', without any positive effects. He didn't like that, and hasn't taken that many again.

SWIM has tried methcathinone for alertness and focus, and has been fairly successful with it. However, it has a number of problems, including unambiguous illegality in many places, known abusability, and significant cardiovascular effects that could be dangerous if the drug were used frequently or for long periods.

Ethcathinone, reported by SWItycon69 above, has been described as 'methcathinone light'. It sounds like a promising substitute, and SWIM is looking into it.

Regardless, SWIM is reluctant to take any amphetamine-like CNS stimulant on a regular basis. Once a month, maybe. But on a daily, or every-other day basis as a study aid? SWIM would worried about slow and subtle cardiovascular damage, psychological and personality effects, and other complications of largely unknown drugs. Remember, new drugs can have all sorts of peculiar side-effects that are not predictable, and may show up only in Phase 3 testing or even Phase 4 (post-marketing surveillance). Things like retroperitoneal fibrosis, bone marrow suppression with neutropenia, chemical hepatitis, QT prolongation (predisposes to abnormal heart rhythms and sudden death).

Trying out RCs occasionally has some unavoidable risk. But using them on a regular basis increases the risks of unexpected, possibly dangerous side-effects that simply aren't predictable from the known clinical effects of the drugs. SWIM discourages using any RC very often, for any reason.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

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SWIM has tried adrafinil, and found that it works well for what it is marketed for: keeping SWIM awake at a time when his body tells him to sleep. It will keep him awake and coherent for a minimum of six hours after his normal bedtime. Beyond that, though, it doesn't work. 24 hours past normal bedtime, SWIM still falls asleep.

Regardless, SWIM is reluctant to take any amphetamine-like CNS stimulant on a regular basis. Once a month, maybe. But on a daily, or every-other day basis as a study aid? SWIM would worried about slow and subtle cardiovascular damage, psychological and personality effects, and other complications of largely unknown drugs. Remember, new drugs can have all sorts of peculiar side-effects that are not predictable, and may show up only in Phase 3 testing or even Phase 4 (post-marketing surveillance). Things like retroperitoneal fibrosis, bone marrow suppression with neutropenia, chemical hepatitis, QT prolongation (predisposes to abnormal heart rhythms and sudden death).

Trying out RCs occasionally has some unavoidable risk. But using them on a regular basis increases the risks of unexpected, possibly dangerous side-effects that simply aren't predictable from the known clinical effects of the drugs. SWIM discourages using any RC very often, for any reason.
Thats strange that swiy experienced uninteresting effects with Adrafinil. I think its due to different variety of procrastination. Swim tends to always have the focus but becomes tired after only a few hours of being awake. Its frustrating, so Adrafinil doing its job as swiy described, kept him awake to rouse productivity. It makes swim look at adrafinil more closely, for his own answers he seek, but not technically the right answer.

Although Swip agrees with the disproval of daily amp-like stimulants, his friend's friend has to take them almost everyday in the form of ephedrine, due to a respiratory problem, unable to find simple albuterol. So, the friend feels that thought is not as important and takes his chances for being able to breath. Others might feel the same about focus,. or not. Its not a primary point to life, unless one thinks it is or has been told it is.

But with regards to the rc world, everything is a question with the post-underground or finely-monitored stages of the chemical compounds. That cannot be denied, so an everyday regimen(like adderall) would be playing a bad hand.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Swim would like to note that all drugs affect people in different ways, swim has been taking approx. 25-35mg doses of Modafinil and can say ITS NOT WEAK lol swim is stimulated all day long with decent clarity(abit too many thoughts at once at times) swim was curious what the lowest dose of modafinil that people have heard of taking.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

just ran across this thread in the tryptamines forum: Tryptamine nootropic
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

Phentermine as well as kava kava extract have been known to help as such.
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

2-DPMP (Desoxypipradrol) was originally developed as an ADHD drug and from what SWIM has read, it is about as successful as Ritalin. It never got off the ground because 1) it supposedly lasts about 20 hours, which isn't so great for sleeping, and 2) the pharm company had already developed and released Ritalin, making DPMP redundant. It's not a controlled substance in most countries but I'm not an expert in international drug control policies, so if SWIY is interested they should probably check out its legal status.

SWIM has never tried it but is considering it. Her thesis is due in 20 days and she has written 5 pages. The minimum page count is 120. Even if SWIM whips out the old high school tricks (13pt Courier New font, 2.5 spacing, 2" margins, you know), she still needs to crank out about 6 pages a day. It's an exciting race against time kind of like Dan Brown's latest novel The Lost Symbol. If she does try it out she'll report back.

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first mention of a very useful long-lasting stimulant, good addition to this thread
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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

The great and dangerous MDPV is stronger then methylphenidate, by its very nature, so if you are looking for the amped study with no real serotonin release then it is a way SWIY can research. Also, it has a bio-availability dosage of 1 - 2 mg, so SWIY could add it to water a a very low dosage and consume it, and it would be a nootropic. Anymore than 1 - 2 or I guess <5mg orally is bad news bears, cause it will fuck SWIY up. When you take it orally and not via nasal or basing or any other method then SWIY are pretty legit on the lack of fending, and its kinda disturbing nature.

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Re: What is the best Research Chemical for improving alertness while studying?

SWIM found MDPV at low doses perfect, even so when he did a lot and go on a wikipedia crawl he would remember everything he read, he still remembers now.

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