didn't know where else to post this. Perhaps because Kratom
is legal no body thinks you can get addicted. SWIM has heard that some users of other opiates
have tried to kick the habit by switching to Kratom, so perhaps there are some in this forum who know about this. Point is that although SWIM has done other opiods like codeine
, these were mostly just isolated episodes, however it did develop a taste for this class of substances. However the other classes, mostly weed
kept SWIM occupied. However when SWIM got busted and narrowly escaped jail, SWIM decided to look for legal things. At first the most available legal thing was alcohol
, and this was a problem for awhile, however the hang-over was so terrible, that GHB
(before illegalised in '03?), phenibut
, and finally Kratom were much better substances for SWIM to use. SWIM could relax at the end of the day, sleep well, and wake up without a hang over.
SWIM had a pretty stressful job and started getting back pains which kept him using Kratom. This kept up for 3 years, occasionally running out SWIM would get anxiety, and drink alcohol to make up for it. At this point the Kratom was only in the evenings, once a day. Withdrawals were managable, but were still no fun. Then about a year ago, SWIM lost his job, then SWIM was around the house and started doing Kratom upon waking, soon it was a 3-4 times a day habit. Some days SWIM would take Kratom all day just chasing the ideal high. Now when SWIM runs low the anxiety and withdrawal
symptoms are worse. They start about about 6 hours but don't get intense until about 12. Kratom seems to half a fast high-life.
SWIM wants to be free of this, but the withdrawals are too scary now, last time SWIM ran out was a few months ago. SWIM guzzled hard booze
and took Iboprophen/codeine (12.8mg) Nurophen tablets. Actually he thinks he came close to alcohol poisoning and the amount of Iboprophen from the tablets was not health. SWIM went 48 hours and finally the parcel with the Kratom arrived. SWIM had to order as he had not option as the withdrawals decended upon him. SWIM started taking the Kratom but was still dealing with the poisoning of the alcohol. SWIM didn't know what to do, the feelings were too intense, SWIM doesn't think he can cope with the withdrawals, he is worried he will turn to whatever he can and drink himself to death. SWIM hates alcohol, it is just the only thing he could get.
SWIM wants to get off Kratom, he has recently read about Suboxone
. SWIM is hoping this will help him. First off he will not have to worry about parcels arriving in the post, he will be able to travel and visit relatives without having to eye out holiday sized bags of Kratom leaf which he hope customs does not mistake for something illegal...Some of SWIM's relatives are in Isreal where they totally search all your bags. To be caught overseas with your relatives who don't know about your addiction
and the border patrol to seize your Kratom would be a nightmare SWIM thinks, so SWIM doesn't travel, and hasn't seen any relatives since SWIM's addiction got more severe 18 months ago.
With Suboxone, SWIM would have a prescription and could live life again. The only thing is SWIM is not sure he can get Suboxone from the outpatient self-referral clinic he plans to see. He doesn't want to talk to his doctor as then the matter would be on his Health computer file. But there is a confidental outreach centre nearby, SWIM is not sure they will give Suboxone to a Kratom user, since Kratom is not a scheduled substance. so SWIM has to be careful, in some ways it would be easier if SWIM was addicted to a standard opiod pill because then the medical establishment would know how to treat it, but SWIM has read about the receptor chemistry and believes that Suboxone will also be effective for KRatom addiction, there is no support for Kratom addicts because no one wants to hear about it, they just want Kratom to stay legal, and SWIM agrees but SWIM knows there is another side to the story that is not discussed on the forums.
Anyhow SWIM will phone the centre confidentially and ask about Kratom and Suboxone, if the person answering says they don't know it, sorry no Suboxone for Kratom, it has to be illegal, then SWIM will go into the centre and just say he has been getting codeine from cold water extraction and has got addicted to it.
Any thoughts, advice, comments, please share them....thanks for reading...magister
magister added 20 Minutes and 41 Seconds later...
SWIM would also like to add that beside the Subuxone that SWIM is considering asking for a couple other things. One of the main reasons SWIM takes substances is that SWIM finds it hard to wind down at the end of the day and get in bed and go to sleep. SWIM is restless and starts thinking lots of thoughts which keeps SWIM from sleeping. So SWIM would like to ask for something to help him sleep. Also SWIM has been noticing how depressed he is since this addiction started, it first hit him when he experienced withdrawals, how boring and dull life is, but then even when he had plenty of Kratom SWIM feels bored with life and generally stuck in life without meaning. SWIM has read about various anti-depressants
and thinks that Bupropion
) to be the best and could even help with his tobacco
Is it reasonable to ask for a sleeping tablet and antidepressants
when kicking a drug
addiction? Anyone on this forum have experience with this. I think that sleeping tablets
do get prescribed as I read a thread of a SWIM who got Zopiclone
, however SWIM is not sure about the antidepressants. SWIM knows that he wants to be completely drug free but feels he is stuck and not motivated, if he had a more positive outlook he could get up and start living and then could do excercise and get off all of the pills.