wich RC to choose?

[drugs-bunny]

i'm looking for an interesting research chemical to try. the only one i
tried until now is 2c-b, does anyone know a chemical that isn't way too
"threatening"? cuz i'm not ready to try lsd or anything like that, and
i've read that a lot of rc's tend to be pretty "lsd-like". it would
twist my reality in ways that i might not be able to handle (YET). i
really liked 2c-b (30 mg), and i'm pretty interrested in 2c-t-2 for
example.

could anyone tell me a bit about some of the research chemical u reallly like?

[Sklander]

The search feature can be of great help to you.


SWIM took 4 HO MiPT and enjoyed it greatly. SWIM has taken 4 HO DiPT, 2c-e, DPT, etc. DPT freebase is pretty insane if you think you can handle it. Try researching all the RC's and find which one fits your needs best.

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great post and good use of swim

[JewishNazi]

SWIM told me to suggest that you try 4-AcO-DET or 4 AcOMiPT. Both are getting pretty similar to psylicyn (mushrooms) and only last for5 or 6hours as opposed to the 8 or so that 2C-E has

[Pinkavvy]

2c-i is a good starter phsychodelic ... in swim's circle it's considered the toy of phsychodelics

2c-e is a good next step. shrooms are always a way to go as well

[nanobrain]

2C-T-21 is a gentle representative of its class. mind-manifesting, not too pushy, easy on the body and the head.

suitable for social interaction as well as for personal development.

[TheLight01]

I would say 2C-i its friendly i.m.o and a very light and easy to dose RC..

[trippy420]

I would have to say that 4 ho dipt would be your best bet. Its quick and you get a very good feeling from it.Its pretty intense though at first but if you have any experiance with tripping you should be able to handle it.

[Dogears]

2-CI is a good light weight psychedellics for most.However don't take psychedellics drugs if you are unwilling to have a bad trip. If you take them enough sooner or later most people will have a rough experience.

[cactus]

not ready to try lsd but you downed 30mg of 2c-b???? holy shit, 30mg is more psychedelic than your average blotter.


t-2 is great, 2c-e is very similar to b IMO but not as good. Why dont you stick to what you know and eat more 2c-b? sounds like a good ticket to me.

[Sick Jack]

I have a quiet good experience with both 2ct2 and 2ci, and there are definitely big differences with both compounds.

Hard to describe, but I'll try.

2Ci : for me it's colorful(red/orange, warm colors), warm, joyful, even funny sometimes and a bit energetic.

2ct2: a "colder" compound, blue/green oriented I may say. More phenomenal in a certain way, not that it's better than 2Ci, but the visuals that I had with t2 were more "astonighing", particularly in the darkness....

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use swim and read the fucking rules

[drugs-bunny]

hi guys, thanks for all ur good recommendations, if u can, keep em comin.



anyway, about the 30 mg 2cb, i tried 20 mg 2 times before the 30 mg,
and they didn't work for me, but 30 mg did. but is it really true that
30 m 2cb is "more psychadelic" than lsd?



if 2ci is so similar to 2cb, than i am not very interrested, i'd rather try 2ctc first, that sounds very interresting.

[oldman]

swims never done 2cb so he doesn't know buthe agrees with sick Jack on ci and ct2. The swaying visuals especially at night are more intense with ct2 then ci. but swim thinks 2ci is better during the day when there is more light out. ci seems to sharpen the senses. It seems like a somewhat more happy one of the two.


As far as dosages goes swim has taken up to around 25mgs of ci andct2 but considers the weight load vs effects to be better at low doses. Swim usually cannot be talkedinto doing anything on the conservative side until one day he only had about 10-12mgs of ci left so he took it at the beach and had one of the most glorious times yet with very little jaw clentchingor headache. Since then he doesn't like to exceed 15mgs. He is very much looking forward to going to a cool museum on a low dose of ci someday.

[oldman]

oh yeah forgot that if you don't want something too trippy visually swim recommends 5meo-mipt (5mgs first time). least body load, cool tingly feel. It is very nice. feels cleaner than any phenethyl swim has done thus far.

[Sick Jack]

But 5-meo-mipt is a tryptamine, which is a completely different experience than the experience provided by phenylethylamines as 2c's.

In comparison, and some other people on the forum report the same impressions, 2c's provide a more aesthetic experience, enhancing colors perceptions and so on, as it's principaly an exterior experience, projected to the outside.

With tryptamines, my impressions are totally different, more "inner", deeper. The visuals and sensations that I experienced with some kind of tryptamines lead me to feel as if reality was been dismantled, boundaries between myself and my environment become less clearer, and so on....

[rek-hed]

2ci is pretty similar to 2cb, i would do something else if you want a change. eatin 2ct2 is also pretty similar but snortin it is a whole different level, poss too strong. i ave tripped more off this than 2ct7, dmt, 5meo dmt, dpt etc.


snortin 2ct7 maybe best bet as is different to 2ci but notnealy as overwhelming as t2 (i dont think you should snort thisif you ave only ad 30mg of 2cb). t7 makes music sound amazing has pretty good visuals and goes with k. however it is horrible to snort, even worse than t2. you may get half an hour of wishing you neva took any drugs at all!


alternativleythrow yourself in the deep end and go for 5meodmt.


does it have to be trippy? if not def go for dxm, the best thing i have ever taken, four totaly different drug experiences in one, lasting from 4to 24 hours.

[drugs-bunny]

dxm? tell me more....

[oldman]

sick jack, I don't know if would go so far as completely different experience than 2c's. maybe different from 2ci or ct2. 2cc and 5meo-miptswim finds to be similar in the sense that they are both on the mild side with the tryp being a more complete roll and 2cc never really going anywhere.


Yeahswim agrees with you that trpys are a litlte more nof an inner feeling and 5meo-mipt is less visual then 2ci or ct2 but he's never experienced a loss of reality on it like maybe one would on lsd, although he tends to stick to a modest level, 6-10mgs. This is not to say everyone is the same cause if you read reports here you get people with no response to 24mgs and some who flip out on 12 their first time. Thebest advice swim can give is to go modest the first several times otherwise it can be too overwhelming and you won't want to do it anymore.

[Toltec]

There's a trip report @BLthat is claiming 2C-C taken @ 100mg was as good as 300ug's of LSD! And this person knows his LSD.


Cheers

[FrankenChrist]

I second the 2-CI motion. Then after that maybe you [meaning your twin in an alternative universe] can try small doses of shrooms and build up from there on.

Good luck.

[rek-hed]

Originally Posted by drugs-bunny

dxm? tell me more....

look on erowid for more info.


or there is a site called dextroverse i think and a few others, some you have to apply to join.


it is the best and certainley most varied substance i ave eva taken n i really couldnt do it justice here.

[nanobrain]

^hmmm...try the dissociatives forum?

[eltimmy]

>But 5-meo-mipt is a tryptamine, which is a completely different
>experience than the experience provided by phenylethylamines as 2c's



Your theory is incorrect. For example, Mescaline is a
phenylethylamine and so is ephedrine, but Mescaline's effects resemble
far more closely, say, 5-MeO-AMT, a tryptamine.



Chemical similarity != similar effects

[dr ACE]

if you want to try some really trippy shit then try 20mg of 2ct-7 if you can get ahold of it, oh i love that material the insight is just so intense and the visuals can be really of the wall if you get the doeses right. it does seem to make you sick to begin with but after that its simply amazing Edited by: dr ACE

[oldman]

swim agrees with eltimmy, chemically siilar does not necessarily mean similar experience. not some tryps to him feel like certain phenyls, and some phenyls are like no other phenyls.Swim wouldn't say all tryps are of a greater more powerful experience either.

[Solidly-here]

What Effect do you Want?


OK, you don't want to twist Reality too much. Well, that leaves most RCs Off-the-List. RCs are psychedelics. Psychedelics, by definition, twist Reality. The easiest Twist is having the Walls breathe.


But, there are several RCs which can be Mentally "Directed" to minimize Hallucinations. My All-time favorite RC is 4-HO-DiPT. This has some of the most Fun effects of good-old LSD-25. One Effect is a mild, speedy feeling. I use this to keep myself going in a Positive direction. I always have enough Energy to be fully involved in what I am doing, and to Feel with a lot of Depth (BIG feelings).


Another RC I have a lot of experience with (and has a Clean Trip) is 5-MeO-DiPT. This one (along with some of the other 5-MeOs) amplifies the senses. Hearing can be kicked-up, so as to appreciate Music in a new Way. Colors can literally Leap-off of objects. Touching a fabric can be a sensual Delight. The Smell offreshly poppedPopcorn can send my Soul soaring.


The thing to remember: No matter how an RC affects me ... you (and your metabolism) will process it in your own Unique way. The best you can hope for, by hearing from other people is to have a General idea of how you might feel.


Once you have tried one of the "Harder" 2C-x chemicals, you will have a much clearer idea of how the other 2Cs will work. Experiment with them. Let us know how they work out for you.Edited by: Solidly-here