Cultivation - Salvia divinorum growing

[markdahman]

Hey i was considering buying a few cuttings of salvia but before i do i was wondering, u know how a female marijuana plants can grow from 100-200 grams indoors in 3 monthes well what would u guys say a salvia plant could grow in say 6 monthes? Im just seeing if it would be profitable

[Pinkavvy]

lol profit from salvia? not hardly.


Especially from just a few plants. Your best luck is to grow 10+ plants and continually harvest as possible, and stock pile it. after it becomes illegal, and the prices go up, then it might be profitable.


I would never recomend trying to profit from salvia ... it's bad juju. sally wont be kind to you ... and remember, salvia is not a recreational susbstance for most people. It is a very intense and even magical/spiritual/life-altering ...

[markdahman]

By Profit i hardly ment selling it to others i ment if it was profitable for a recreational user to grow. Like is the work worth the yeild?

[Pinkavvy]

If you have the patience, yes it will keep you in hand with a private stash. However, I would recomend ordering as much as you can (as it's cheap and legal for now) and stock piling.... and then when it becomes illegal, you'll have enough stock piles to last you and by then your plant(s) will be flurishing enough to keep your private stash fat (so you'll have some to last a lifetime after it's illegal)

[soer]

im lookign to buy a plant . i can choose between 4 strains:

1) Hofmann & Wasson strain
2) "Palatable" (Blosser) strain
3) Salvia divinorum "Luna" strain
4) "Cerro Quemado" strain

which is the best in terms of strength or are they all equal depending on growing conditions?

thanks

[wednesday]

man i guess i have been gone for a bit
but when i was into salvia
there were only the first 2
but as i have seen the only way to tell is ask the person for a mg to leaf ratio which for the plain leaf isn't usually known because it varys so much

the best way to "know" how strong it is, is to get salvia 15x or whatever potency, even then people still have different ways of measuring and reappying the salvinorin a back onto the leaf

there are plenty of good places to get salvia
Paul

[soer]

im jus trying to grow b/c the extracts are so expensive.. i mean i find $20 is avg for standardized 10x.. is there cheaper stuff out there?

[lazaro]

hello, my salvia is dying

can anyone tell which are the signs of overwatering?

what is the amount of water recomended?

please help me!!!!!!!!!



excuse me for my primitive english

[antigenesis]

If you post some pictures I could probably help.

[Montgolfier]

Mine isnt looking too good either, does anyone know the best way to look after salvia through the winter? How do you stop the leaves going black? I keep them in a plastic humidity tent and spray them everyday, I also keep pruning the leaves if they do go black but it keeps returning


any Ideas appreciated

[sviripicka]

Are you fertilizing it?

If not, go to flower shop, buy some fertilizers and do it but everything like it says in instructions..



Also it may be dying by lack of lighting, so if you really love this
plant you can buy a 600 wat high presure sodium lamb and you can make a
little plantation, dry all leafs, and you will have for all your life..

[Phungushead]

Yeah, lighting always seems to be an issue with salvia plants, as does

humidity. SWIM's was looking really crappy, so as a last resort, it was

thrown into the mushroom terrarium. Did a lot better in there - constant

controlled humidity and lighting.



Even if the plants lose all their leaves, they can still come back though.

[plantshaman]

Growing my own Salvia has been the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my entire life! Getting the plant to thrive is not hard at all.

Temperature-Salvia will grow well if temps are above 65 with warmer being better so long as there is enough humidity/water. It will tolerate temps down to the upper twenties at night. I notice only a moderate difference in growth between 70's and high 90s. What I have found is that temperature relates to potency. Summer harvest can be up to twice as potent. I always felt this and sure enough I stumbled across a study that confirmed it but I forget the source. So far this seems to be the main factor in regards to potency.

Water- Sally grows along creeks and loves to have its roots wet but be careful in a pot not to over water. I have dug channels in my yard which flow through the salvia like a little creek and they seem to love the flowing water compared to Still water. The hotter it gets the more watering you will need. At 60 just watering deeply once a week may be enough but during summer temps of 80+ it may require daily watering depending on the humidity and moisture holding ability of your soil. If you think it is over watered letting it dry till wilting slightly will help and won’t hurt the plant but keep an eye on it. If it’s in the ground it’s pretty difficult to over water.

Humidity- Salvia lives in a sub tropical cloud forest. Its hot and humid all the time but because its under the canopy the leaves don't recieve much direct rain and this is probably the best growing condition.
Salvia grows just fine with low humidity. This stuff you read about humidity being so important and the plant will die without it is just not true. What is true is that you need to slowly change the humidity unless the plant is already big and strong. The best way to get your small plant from high humidity to low humidity is put it in a low humidity enviroment for 4 hours a day for a week then 8 hours a day for a week. Keep extending the time till its in low humidity all the time. The texture of the leaves may be affected by low humidity but overall they seem to grow at a pretty similar rate no matter what the humidity .Don't be alarmed by wrinkled leaves when its hot and dry. Misting this plant indoors is a common mistake that leads to more problems then it solves. This goes for most plants. If you want to increase humidity get a COOL mist humidifier. If the plants are outdoors a little misting can be helpful but make sure you do it early enough that the water will be completely dry by dark. I personally only mist if I happen to be home during the dry hot Santa Ana condition which is basically desert southwest climate for a few days at a time. My plants experience a Mediterranean climate the rest of the time

Light exposure- My plants had to endure a few years with direct sunlight for 6 or more hours a day when I had limited options .this made the nodes close together and a lot of small ugly leaves. They lived and grew tall but where dropping leaves constantly. Now in full shade many of the limbs grow with nodes very far apart. Instead of a couple inches its more like a foot but the leaves are huge with a smooth rich green that I love. A friend of mine grows it in dappled sunlight under a tree and that seems optimal. This lighting produces large healthy leaves packed close together. Shade cloth may offer even more options and probably the best way but you’ll have to experiment. My plants do flower in the fall when getting a lot of sun .I’ll update on flowering now that they live in the shade. I have a bunch of flowers I have yet to smoke! Anyone know of any analysis of their chemical composition? I would be delighted to see it.

Soil – I find it grows great in anything that is well drained with rich black organic goodness. I like about 35 percent perlite with DR. Earth soil or other quality soil. They grow MUCH better in the ground. I hear hydro works great too. If you must use a pot make sure you place a few inches of stones at the bottom to help drainage. They will never grow to their full potential in a pot. Pots also create watering issues. It is much harder to kill plants due to too much or too little water when they are in the ground.

Fertilizer-My best results have been with Fox Farms Grow Big which is 10-10 -10 and when I switched to that stuff from miracle grow it really did grow big. My plants sometimes turn purple and after some research discovered fertilizer is the cure. There may be some magic formula but all I can recommend is what worked for me.

Pests- So far mine have only suffered from slugs, snails and worst of all thripes. Slugs and snails love new growth and can destroy a small cutting in a night so be careful! White fly seemed to avoid my plants but you may not be so lucky. UPDATE green cabbage worms/caterpilers destroyed my plants in only a few weeks . Controling them came down to cutting all plants in yard back to reduce areas to hide and then turning over every single leaf in the yard daily .UPDATE SPIDER MITES are sally killers ! I thought i'd had problems with thripes for so long but now i'm sure its been spider mites. When I moved into a new house my plants quickly became infested showing the same old symptoms I had at my old house but much much worse . Within a week or two every leaf was filled with holes and I thought they might never recover. I examined more closely and finaly noticed some webbing under the curled corners of leaves and then realized the little tiny black dots i had seen for so long are actualy moving . Upon closer inspection the dots are redish and sure enough spider mites are the enemy. I have been spraying them with a firm jet of water on the top and bottom of leaves every day or two and the infestation is much better but still won't go away. Another member recomended mixin water with paraffin and spraying leaves making sure to not let it touch the soil. The only problem is you can't smoke the leaves with wax on them . Since most salvinorin A is on the outside of the leaves i'm wondering if my constant washing of the leaves means they won't be potent but i haven't experimented to find out yet. If your plants are filled with holes and the edges of the leaves are curling get out the magnifying glass because you too could have spider mites.

Clones-Salvia is a very important tool that should be available to those who know the risks and choose to proceed. People are very important tools for the Salvia Spirit and the strange dimension in which it exists. Humans are critical to the survival of this plant and in turn the plant will show you things. This sacrament will be scheduled soon and the window for free trade will be closed. Clones for free to everyone you know is the best way to keep this symbiotic relationship alive! The cuttings grow great indoors and make a nice house plant.
Salvia reproduces in the wild by falling over in moist soil then growing roots. If the air is humid enough the root system can be seen from above ground coming out of the steams on the surface of the soil. The Stalks only emerge from the nodes.
If you just want a lot of sally you can help it out by throwing some dirt over a branch that has tipped over. Cuttings ready to GIVE to all your friends in order to ensure a long life for this plant are easy.
Simply cut just below a node and place in water after trimming some lower leaves. Change the water every one to two days. Or if you put it in soil bury about half of the leaves and keep it very moist.
Leaf cuttings will work too as long as you get a piece of the node with it. Put leaf with a moist paper towel in a sandwich bag with a few pin holes opening it daily for air. For soil bury on a 45 degree angle with half the leaf tip exposed. When experimenting with clones just remember roots will grow from anything, even a leaf, but without a node a stalk will not emerge. Keep it moist, mild temps, and no direct light. Good luck. UPDATE I have got a clone to grow into a healthy plant from a piece literaly 1/2 inch total size... 1/4 inch of node and 1/4 inch of leaf.

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[Pinball_map]

so i take it salvia cant be grown inside?

[plantshaman]

salvia makes a great houseplant !

[plantshaman]

My plants had been doing really bad lately . At first it was cabbage looper which is a little green caterpiller that eats everything! After daily inspections and using the crush bugs with shoe technique i thought the plants would recover. All the sally continued to get worse and worse . Finaly i got out the magnifying glass and discovered spider mites ! i thought they where just little dots of dirt of something but when i looked closer they moved. After more looking i found some webbing under leaves . i thought thripes where the culprit but now it seems to be spider mites . After some reading i discovered on of the host species is pine trees. Made perfect sense because my yard has pine trees hanging over it and my last place did not . I think my plants have always had spider mites but at my old place the plants got alot of sun so i constantly sprayed down the leaves if it was hot and this cleaned off mites and eggs .

For the last month i hose down the plants and carefully turn over every leaf washing it with a firm spray of water . the plants have quickly recovered and are doing much better . I tried safer soap but that didn't seem to help.The water rinse has cured the problem and i do still see new mite damage but its very little and its less and less each week . if you suspects mites and try the washing technique use the highest water pressure you can that doesn't break the leaves.Your basicaly bound to break leaves and steams but don't worrry it will be worth it .mites love sally so if your plant seems sick with holes in the leaves etc look close for tiny tiny tiny black/red dots (they are moving look closer) and their tiny white eggs . The real give away is what looks like spider webs on the underside of leaves especialy around the curled in edges

Now my wood rose has mites and is practicaly dead but washing doesn't seem to help because the fuzzy leaves help keep the bugs from falling off. Also the leaves are really fragile so firm jet of water can break and damage leaves

[plantshaman]

I am however thinking that washing down leaves is washing off the slavinorin a since its mostly on the outside of the leaves.

[Alfa]

Salvia divinorum is a spider mite-magnet. Spraying with parafine fixes that problem.

[plantshaman]

How do i make the mixture ? do i have to spray it on while its warm ? i would imagine you do ....

I don't think its possible to stop these mites because i'm in apartments with lots of plants and pines hanging into my yard . To really cure it i would have to spray them all ...

i also can't change the soil because of cost and i have a bunch of decorative stone i'm not removing it all and replacing its just too much work , especialy considering i'm moving in about 18 months .. maybe i should just treat the plants when i move so that i don't bring htem to the new house... what happens if it touches the soil ? I'm thinking maybe the woodrose i could treat and some flowers too . the sally is doing ok with the water spraying but the other plants are still dieing.

[copeseticman]

Originally Posted by plantshaman

They will never grow to their full potential in a pot. Pots also create watering issues. It is much harder to kill plants due to too much or too little water when they are in the ground.

To me it seems that if you grow Sally indoors it will be more decoration.. If you want to use and benefit from the plant it would be better to take Sally outdoors.

Shaman, that seem correct?

Cope

[keepitacrime]

Originally Posted by plantshaman

Growing my own Salvia has been the most rewarding thing I have ever done in my entire life! Getting the plant to thrive is not hard at all.

Temperature-Salvia will grow well if temps are above 65 with warmer being better so long as there is enough humidity/water. It will tolerate temps down to the upper twenties at night. I notice only a moderate difference in growth between 70's and high 90s. What I have found is that temperature relates to potency. Summer harvest can be up to twice as potent. I always felt this and sure enough I stumbled across a study that confirmed it but I forget the source. So far this seems to be the main factor in regards to potency.

Water- Sally grows along creeks and loves to have its roots wet but be careful in a pot not to over water. I have dug channels in my yard which flow through the salvia like a little creek and they seem to love the flowing water compared to Still water. The hotter it gets the more watering you will need. At 60 just watering deeply once a week may be enough but during summer temps of 80+ it may require daily watering depending on the humidity and moisture holding ability of your soil. If you think it is over watered letting it dry till wilting slightly will help and won’t hurt the plant but keep an eye on it. If it’s in the ground it’s pretty difficult to over water.

Humidity- Salvia lives in a sub tropical cloud forest. Its hot and humid all the time but because its under the canopy the leaves don't recieve much direct rain and this is probably the best growing condition.
Salvia grows just fine with low humidity. This stuff you read about humidity being so important and the plant will die without it is just not true. What is true is that you need to slowly change the humidity unless the plant is already big and strong. The best way to get your small plant from high humidity to low humidity is put it in a low humidity enviroment for 4 hours a day for a week then 8 hours a day for a week. Keep extending the time till its in low humidity all the time. The texture of the leaves may be affected by low humidity but overall they seem to grow at a pretty similar rate no matter what the humidity .Don't be alarmed by wrinkled leaves when its hot and dry. Misting this plant indoors is a common mistake that leads to more problems then it solves. This goes for most plants. If you want to increase humidity get a COOL mist humidifier. If the plants are outdoors a little misting can be helpful but make sure you do it early enough that the water will be completely dry by dark. I personally only mist if I happen to be home during the dry hot Santa Ana condition which is basically desert southwest climate for a few days at a time. My plants experience a Mediterranean climate the rest of the time

Light exposure- My plants had to endure a few years with direct sunlight for 6 or more hours a day when I had limited options .this made the nodes close together and a lot of small ugly leaves. They lived and grew tall but where dropping leaves constantly. Now in full shade many of the limbs grow with nodes very far apart. Instead of a couple inches its more like a foot but the leaves are huge with a smooth rich green that I love. A friend of mine grows it in dappled sunlight under a tree and that seems optimal. This lighting produces large healthy leaves packed close together. Shade cloth may offer even more options and probably the best way but you’ll have to experiment. My plants do flower in the fall when getting a lot of sun .I’ll update on flowering now that they live in the shade. I have a bunch of flowers I have yet to smoke! Anyone know of any analysis of their chemical composition? I would be delighted to see it.

Soil – I find it grows great in anything that is well drained with rich black organic goodness. I like about 35 percent perlite with DR. Earth soil or other quality soil. They grow MUCH better in the ground. I hear hydro works great too. If you must use a pot make sure you place a few inches of stones at the bottom to help drainage. They will never grow to their full potential in a pot. Pots also create watering issues. It is much harder to kill plants due to too much or too little water when they are in the ground.

Fertilizer-My best results have been with Fox Farms Grow Big which is 10-10 -10 and when I switched to that stuff from miracle grow it really did grow big. My plants sometimes turn purple and after some research discovered fertilizer is the cure. There may be some magic formula but all I can recommend is what worked for me.

Pests- So far mine have only suffered from slugs, snails and worst of all thripes. Slugs and snails love new growth and can destroy a small cutting in a night so be careful! White fly seemed to avoid my plants but you may not be so lucky. UPDATE green cabbage worms/caterpilers destroyed my plants in only a few weeks . Controling them came down to cutting all plants in yard back to reduce areas to hide and then turning over every single leaf in the yard daily .UPDATE SPIDER MITES are sally killers ! I thought i'd had problems with thripes for so long but now i'm sure its been spider mites. When I moved into a new house my plants quickly became infested showing the same old symptoms I had at my old house but much much worse . Within a week or two every leaf was filled with holes and I thought they might never recover. I examined more closely and finaly noticed some webbing under the curled corners of leaves and then realized the little tiny black dots i had seen for so long are actualy moving . Upon closer inspection the dots are redish and sure enough spider mites are the enemy. I have been spraying them with a firm jet of water on the top and bottom of leaves every day or two and the infestation is much better but still won't go away. Another member recomended mixin water with paraffin and spraying leaves making sure to not let it touch the soil. The only problem is you can't smoke the leaves with wax on them . Since most salvinorin A is on the outside of the leaves i'm wondering if my constant washing of the leaves means they won't be potent but i haven't experimented to find out yet. If your plants are filled with holes and the edges of the leaves are curling get out the magnifying glass because you too could have spider mites.

Clones-Salvia is a very important tool that should be available to those who know the risks and choose to proceed. People are very important tools for the Salvia Spirit and the strange dimension in which it exists. Humans are critical to the survival of this plant and in turn the plant will show you things. This sacrament will be scheduled soon and the window for free trade will be closed. Clones for free to everyone you know is the best way to keep this symbiotic relationship alive! The cuttings grow great indoors and make a nice house plant.
Salvia reproduces in the wild by falling over in moist soil then growing roots. If the air is humid enough the root system can be seen from above ground coming out of the steams on the surface of the soil. The Stalks only emerge from the nodes.
If you just want a lot of sally you can help it out by throwing some dirt over a branch that has tipped over. Cuttings ready to GIVE to all your friends in order to ensure a long life for this plant are easy.
Simply cut just below a node and place in water after trimming some lower leaves. Change the water every one to two days. Or if you put it in soil bury about half of the leaves and keep it very moist.
Leaf cuttings will work too as long as you get a piece of the node with it. Put leaf with a moist paper towel in a sandwich bag with a few pin holes opening it daily for air. For soil bury on a 45 degree angle with half the leaf tip exposed. When experimenting with clones just remember roots will grow from anything, even a leaf, but without a node a stalk will not emerge. Keep it moist, mild temps, and no direct light. Good luck. UPDATE I have got a clone to grow into a healthy plant from a piece literaly 1/2 inch total size... 1/4 inch of node and 1/4 inch of leaf.

sorry to quote this entire thing but swim is wondering about misting, swim has a nice little salvia d cutting in an aqaurium with 95% humidity, around 26-28 degrees CELSIUSso like 80 fahrenheit i guess, and i shouldnt mist the plant? because ive been doing that and was told too do so...its at the cutting stage and just established its roots and is ready to grow...please let me know i want to pull this off.

[Dan7712]

Heya

Swim is new to all this stuff so please go easy. He brought some Salvia Extract the other day and thought he would start off low so he went for the 5X strengh.

Recently swim bought his own little plant. It's called Salvia Blue Queen. How would he care for it and how much water / light should he give it?

Also is this the right plant to smoke?

[Bajeda]

Dan, I'm not sure if what swiy got was Salvia Divinorum. There are many varieties of salvia, so it would be good to know exactly what swiy got.

As to Salvia Blue Queen, I'm not sure what that is exactly or if it is psychoactive. A specific latin name would be helpful.


Salvia D. is apparently not an easy plant to grow, so if swiy isn't especially experienced (at all) with botany and growing plants he may want to look for something simpler to start with.

[Trebor]

What Swiy has bought Dan, is .

This is not Salvia Divinourum. It is infact, a plant with so pyschedelic traits at all.

What Swiy should have bought will look something like http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi...um-healthy.jpg.

Thin shaped plant, has lime green elliptical leaves, normally specially sold in head shops.

[Dan7712]

So if SWIM smoked the leaves of the Blue Queen plant I have won't trip out? How much would SWIM expect to pay for the right plant as SWIM has seen some on eBay and don't want to get ripped off.